quote:Didn't you say the stride and swing are separate?
Don't you understand momentum and cusp?...And, how motor control functions in hitters?
Don't you understand momentum and cusp?...And, how motor control functions in hitters?
Don't you understand momentum and cusp?...And, how motor control functions in hitters?
quote:The video of Giambi is PROOF POSITIVE that hitters sit, lower their center of gravity while maintaining the load between touch down and heel plant in order to deal with offspeed.
Martini, if you have done any research on high level swing body movement, you will know that MLB hitters sit and get out of the chair on all swings.....This allows them to set posture which engages muscles they need to move their middle....It's about momentum, which you continue to ignore as being essential in the swing.....
Keep digging your hole.
I'm laughing my arse off.
Yes, all big leaguers sit and get out of the chair on all swings.
On the offspeed pitches they sit more and load more as they lower the COG.
Please stay on point.
Which is......how they adjust to offspeed pitches.
No one said they squish the bug...no one said they didn't sit...no one said they didn't create momentum and create a cusp...
Now...back to the point.
The clip I posted shows two swings. And, I know you hate this, but they also show the pitcher. The same pitcher on the same day in the same ballpark.....identical settings.
And, the clips are synced to pitch release.
And, Giambi gets his foot down at the same time in both clips. One is a fastball. The other a curve.
His fastball swing starts earlier than the curveball swing.
How does he do that?
He sits and lowers and holds the load....between touch down and heel drop....until the right moment.
I'm smiling really really big right now.
Say uncle?
I'm laughing my arse off.
Yes, all big leaguers sit and get out of the chair on all swings.
On the offspeed pitches they sit more and load more as they lower the COG.
Please stay on point.
Which is......how they adjust to offspeed pitches.
No one said they squish the bug...no one said they didn't sit...no one said they didn't create momentum and create a cusp...
Now...back to the point.
The clip I posted shows two swings. And, I know you hate this, but they also show the pitcher. The same pitcher on the same day in the same ballpark.....identical settings.
And, the clips are synced to pitch release.
And, Giambi gets his foot down at the same time in both clips. One is a fastball. The other a curve.
His fastball swing starts earlier than the curveball swing.
How does he do that?
He sits and lowers and holds the load....between touch down and heel drop....until the right moment.
I'm smiling really really big right now.
Say uncle?
Martini, rotation is quicker and stronger on pitches that are easier to reach.....Results in a higher batspeed...As in, up and down the middle or slightly inside....
Outside and low pitch locations are hit with weaker rotation than pitches that require little posture adjustment......
The intent to swing is the same.....The difference is, if a hitter is fooled.....And, there is evidence he was fooled on the offspeed pitch....He makes a late posture adjustment....And, he disconnects...
Outside and low pitch locations are hit with weaker rotation than pitches that require little posture adjustment......
The intent to swing is the same.....The difference is, if a hitter is fooled.....And, there is evidence he was fooled on the offspeed pitch....He makes a late posture adjustment....And, he disconnects...
Hey Blue Dog
The price of gas is down.
The price of gas is down.
Martini, hang around.....I think I know who you are....
Here are clips of Giambi and Bonds in a homerun derby.....
Bonds clearly swings the shoulders before heel plant...
Giambi clearly doesn't....
IMO, Bonds' swing produces better momentum and is the better model to emulate.....
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds02.mpeg
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Giambi02.mpeg
Bonds clearly swings the shoulders before heel plant...
Giambi clearly doesn't....
IMO, Bonds' swing produces better momentum and is the better model to emulate.....
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Bonds02.mpeg
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/Giambi02.mpeg
Swings in a "home run" derby are not thesame as in a game
Blue Dog--you never cease to amaze me with your inaneness and doubletalk---you are a true flim flam artist
No need to continue here with you--- time for the fresh shark to go on the grille
Blue Dog--you never cease to amaze me with your inaneness and doubletalk---you are a true flim flam artist
No need to continue here with you--- time for the fresh shark to go on the grille
HR Derby?
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Good one.
Lot of adjusting to do during HR Derby.
ROFLMAO.
I hate it when my bp pitcher throws a change up.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Good one.
Lot of adjusting to do during HR Derby.
ROFLMAO.
I hate it when my bp pitcher throws a change up.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Game situation....Low pitch, nice posture adjustment...Same result...Bat reversing direction as foot plants...Oh, and Bonds sits.....
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/bonds600.mpeg
http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/mpg/bonds600.mpeg
Giambi leaves weight on the backside on all pitches....Bonds gets better weight shift to the front side.....This is evident by the position of the head from the stance to ball contact....
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro?p=26&n=1&m=12&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro?p=16&n=1&m=12&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro?p=26&n=1&m=12&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
http://imageevent.com/siggy/hitting/pro?p=16&n=1&m=12&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=9
I bet the price of gas raises again.
Giambi puts the front foot down early and makes posture adjustments as he swings.....Bat reverses after front foot plant....Leaves a good deal of weight on his backside....
Bonds uses intent to swing to put the front foot down and has exceptional momentum.....Bat reverses as he plants front foot...He makes posture adjustments before he swings....
Giambi has more weight on his backside during the stance....Bonds has his weight centered during his stance....
Lessons to be learned here........
Bonds uses intent to swing to put the front foot down and has exceptional momentum.....Bat reverses as he plants front foot...He makes posture adjustments before he swings....
Giambi has more weight on his backside during the stance....Bonds has his weight centered during his stance....
Lessons to be learned here........
Randy Johnson throws with his left hand...
But here is the high level way to adjust to offspeed pitches.
A minor adjustment.....
A more easily seen example...
Subtle....but a very "high level" move.
But here is the high level way to adjust to offspeed pitches.
A minor adjustment.....
A more easily seen example...
Subtle....but a very "high level" move.
Delaying foot plant as long as possible.....
This type of argument is what we've been needing for a long time. I'm loving it!!!
Great use of clips!
Great points on concepts such as the chair.
Keep it up.
Great use of clips!
Great points on concepts such as the chair.
Keep it up.
Missing from this argument is eye training. If you'll remember, the USA Softball Olympic Team has a segment on hitting and eye training. Essentially, it was on shooting tennis balls out of a tennis ball contraption and those balls were colored, numbered... The goal then was to enable the mental processes to trigger faster. THOUGHTS?
IMO, that particular vision drill goes against what a hitter needs to learn about vision....
Never try to focus on the ball close-in to you....
Never try to focus on the ball close-in to you....
Richard, I thought you and Blue were pals?
CoachB25 - I've heard of the same machine. Costs more than a few thousand dollars.
If you google bat speed vision tennis balls Royals you'll see an old USA Today article about it.
Anything you can do to train your eyes to focus the better off you're going to be.
If you google bat speed vision tennis balls Royals you'll see an old USA Today article about it.
Anything you can do to train your eyes to focus the better off you're going to be.
Delay? Prove the delay.
You've gone from holding the foot in the air longer to delaying foot plant.
Any other changes coming?
You've gone from holding the foot in the air longer to delaying foot plant.
Any other changes coming?
quote:You've gone from holding the foot in the air longer to delaying foot plant.
They mean the same thing, knucklehead.........
Martini, you're posting over here 'cause Steve banned you from posting on his board.....Martini is your umpteenth name on here 'cause you keep getting banned here, too.......Does anything ever click with you?.....
Now, that is really funny.
Big difference between the two.
The side by side clip of Giambi proves my point.
The clips of Manny show how it's done.
And, I can't blame you for relying on diversion.
Big difference between the two.
The side by side clip of Giambi proves my point.
The clips of Manny show how it's done.
And, I can't blame you for relying on diversion.
quote:Now, that is really funny.
Actually, it's sad......
You've got it in your head that MLB hitters stand on their toe and wait to swing at offspeed pitches....Some MLB hitters don't even stride to the toe....
The issue isn't toe/heel as much as it is sit. Lower the COG. Maintain the load.
Some land on the toe, some land flat footed. Others don't have to land.
But.....NONE OF THEM TIME PITCHES BY WHEN THEY PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN.
Nor as you say...hold the stride foot in the air a litle longer.
That is really funny stuff.
Some land on the toe, some land flat footed. Others don't have to land.
But.....NONE OF THEM TIME PITCHES BY WHEN THEY PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN.
Nor as you say...hold the stride foot in the air a litle longer.
That is really funny stuff.
Bottom line---some can hit the high speed fast ball and other can't== this is the first separation point for HS/College hitters
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
Martini, are you saying MLB hitters do not produce weight shift momentum during the stride?
Home plate has 5 sides. Are you saying it has 4?
If I had all the egg on my face that you do, I try diversion also.
quote:Originally posted by Martini:
And that significance is off speed pitch adjustment. Barry Bonds, Manny, Pujols, all the greats, will sit more and hold the load between touch down and heel drop as they adjust for off speed.
Martini,
IMO - I think that is a great observation.
Never really picked up on it until you mentioned it.
I will add only this - (and not ignoring the importance of middle or legs either) when you watch any of the great hitters - you can almost feel the strength in the arms-hands and wrists when they swing.
I think that discounting strength in any part of your connection to bat and ball is a serious mistake.
Again - IMO - Great observation about sitting more and holding the load.
quote:Originally posted by Martini:
Randy Johnson throws with his left hand...
But here is the high level way to adjust to offspeed pitches.
A minor adjustment.....
A more easily seen example...
Subtle....but a very "high level" move.
These two videos pretty much rule out the idiotic teaching of "squishing the bug". Watch the back foot come off the ground ever so slightly as their weight shifts forward as they swing. If you watch any good hitter in the big leagues on video, you will see the same thing.
I guess you missed the part where he moves his foot after it comes off the ground just a little bit. Watch very closely and you will see it on the Barry Bonds video.
Griffey doesn't transfer his weight forward as much as most hitters, so you can see that his foot doesn't come off the ground much at all.
Nice try on the McGwire video. It would be nice if you could see his feet!
Griffey doesn't transfer his weight forward as much as most hitters, so you can see that his foot doesn't come off the ground much at all.
Nice try on the McGwire video. It would be nice if you could see his feet!
Hey guys I am kind of scared to post anything on here because I may start crying if you start yelling at me.
BUT
Here is something I have had a tremendous amount of success with in the past. My team spends a significant amount of time using a short cage. We get about 40 feet or so away and throw the ball as hard as the pitcher can (with location). We want our guys to get their foot down and ready to swing. Also we use this to work on knowing the zone. Picking out strikes to swing rather than chase balls. This is good for pregame if you know you are facing a guy throwing heat.
Philosophy we use is attack fastballs. Your average high school pitcher will not be able to get his offspeed / breaking pitches over for strikes (key word here is consistently get over). Since most pitchers will throw fastballs then why not key on them??? Also what we preach is "KNOW THE ZONE". If they are swinging at balls out of the zone then they are just helping the pitcher. By staying off the bad stuff then the pitcher is forced to come inside the zone with good pitches and you have set him up.
Downfall - facing a great pitcher who has command of most of his pitches and can get them over for strikes. Of course ANYBODY will struggle against that kid. If we face this guy we start bunting to move him around and tire him out AND attack fastballs in the zone since that may be the last one they see in the at bat.
Proof it works - this past spring we were going to face a guy who threw in the 90's. There were 12 MLB scouts at the game (it was at our field) and I got to talk to one of them before the game. He said this kid is being looked at to be drafted the Teen rounds. We knocked him out of the game by the fourth inning and were up 4 - 2 when he left. That kid was then drafted in a later round.
I am not going to debate of whether the swing and stride are same or seperate. I know what we do works. My team hits pitchers who throw it very hard.
BUT
Here is something I have had a tremendous amount of success with in the past. My team spends a significant amount of time using a short cage. We get about 40 feet or so away and throw the ball as hard as the pitcher can (with location). We want our guys to get their foot down and ready to swing. Also we use this to work on knowing the zone. Picking out strikes to swing rather than chase balls. This is good for pregame if you know you are facing a guy throwing heat.
Philosophy we use is attack fastballs. Your average high school pitcher will not be able to get his offspeed / breaking pitches over for strikes (key word here is consistently get over). Since most pitchers will throw fastballs then why not key on them??? Also what we preach is "KNOW THE ZONE". If they are swinging at balls out of the zone then they are just helping the pitcher. By staying off the bad stuff then the pitcher is forced to come inside the zone with good pitches and you have set him up.
Downfall - facing a great pitcher who has command of most of his pitches and can get them over for strikes. Of course ANYBODY will struggle against that kid. If we face this guy we start bunting to move him around and tire him out AND attack fastballs in the zone since that may be the last one they see in the at bat.
Proof it works - this past spring we were going to face a guy who threw in the 90's. There were 12 MLB scouts at the game (it was at our field) and I got to talk to one of them before the game. He said this kid is being looked at to be drafted the Teen rounds. We knocked him out of the game by the fourth inning and were up 4 - 2 when he left. That kid was then drafted in a later round.
I am not going to debate of whether the swing and stride are same or seperate. I know what we do works. My team hits pitchers who throw it very hard.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:You've gone from holding the foot in the air longer to delaying foot plant.
They mean the same thing, knucklehead.........
Martini, you're posting over here 'cause Steve banned you from posting on his board.....Martini is your umpteenth name on here 'cause you keep getting banned here, too.......Does anything ever click with you?.....
Bluedog, Martini never got banned because of his lack of knowledge about the swing.He most certainly never got banned because he avoided questions. He did not get banned because he was evasive and afraid to give a direct answer to a question.
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Hey guys I am kind of scared to post anything on here because I may start crying if you start yelling at me.
Now that's funny.
and I know funny!
Nice to hear martini likes the Epstein sit approach to offspeed.
quote:Nice to hear martini likes the Epstein sit approach to offspeed.
Tom, that's exactly what I've been thinking.....Teacherman/Martini has always talked against Epstein's theory.........Now, a change of belief....
Is this a coming out party?......
quote:He did not get banned because he was evasive and afraid to give a direct answer to a question.
Bbscout, I gave you a direct answer, it got deleted......Don't know why, it was direct enough and very much to the point........
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Nice to hear martini likes the Epstein sit approach to offspeed.
Tom, that's exactly what I've been thinking.....Teacherman/Martini has always talked against Epstein's theory.........Now, a change of belief....
Alright...you guys have me all confused again...I really enjoy the give and take on hitting....I have no problem sorting through the adolescent insults etc. to get to the meat. Over the years I have identified a few who's ideas I value....but if you keep changing your names my list is useless. I'm missing out on all the intrigue (who's banned from where). Question....what does one do to get banned from a board that's talking about a baseball swing??? (Is Martini really Teacherman/Infopimp etc. I thought he was in St Louis??) It would be great if someone who's "in the loop" would give us a list of everyones previous names... my scorebook is all messed up (looks like spring training).
Honesty has never been one of your best traits, tom.
You know darn well, that "sit" has been a part of s e t p r o and therefore, Englishbey hitting for a long time.
And Blue Dog, you are headed into the same category. You made an absolutely stupid statement...."Hitters adjust for offspeed by holding their foot in the air longer". I pointed it out. Proved the point. And instead of saying hey, I missed that one....you've gone off the cliff over it.
Interesting how a little "in your face" can make guys weak.
You know darn well, that "sit" has been a part of s e t p r o and therefore, Englishbey hitting for a long time.
And Blue Dog, you are headed into the same category. You made an absolutely stupid statement...."Hitters adjust for offspeed by holding their foot in the air longer". I pointed it out. Proved the point. And instead of saying hey, I missed that one....you've gone off the cliff over it.
Interesting how a little "in your face" can make guys weak.
sounds like oaffie.
did you realy get thrown off Steve's site too ?
"Sit" evolved into torso tilt with more bend at waist instruction as I "remember"
but then I'm intellectually dishonest.
At least I haven't changed/hidden my name.
did you realy get thrown off Steve's site too ?
"Sit" evolved into torso tilt with more bend at waist instruction as I "remember"
but then I'm intellectually dishonest.
At least I haven't changed/hidden my name.
Was the topic about "Hitting faster pitchers"?
Or was it about some cyber buffoons having yet another ego battle.
Get your acts together dudes. Tick tock.
Or was it about some cyber buffoons having yet another ego battle.
Get your acts together dudes. Tick tock.
