Trust me, I live in Florida, throw 84-86 and am a 2010LHP I'm 6'1", 200. I have no offers. My grades are avg, have never been asked about them, My era is like 00.5 but all I hear is I don't throw hard enough!!! I throw 84-86
Plus I have a Grade A curve, Grade B change and Grade B slider!!
My son was 6'3 165lbs and he had several offers and invites to tryouts. Some of them were top should including Miami U. We never attended any showcases except 1 put ob by his team.
Yes my son was always told to increase his velocity, maybe show cases would have got him even more interest and some high profile schools interest but that was never our goal. He just wanted to pitch against them. If your desire is to play pro they draft from all divisions.
You really have to be careful about what you wish for. Playing for a team you can't get playing time is tough in more ways than one.
Interesting article on academic achievers.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/211432
Yes my son was always told to increase his velocity, maybe show cases would have got him even more interest and some high profile schools interest but that was never our goal. He just wanted to pitch against them. If your desire is to play pro they draft from all divisions.
You really have to be careful about what you wish for. Playing for a team you can't get playing time is tough in more ways than one.
Interesting article on academic achievers.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/211432
The sad part is I play for one of the top Programs in the US- All American Prospects. I'm one of, if not their #1 pitcher. I don't know what else I can do to get noticed. Any advise would be appreciated!
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
From a D1 standpoint, what I have seen, no top tier baseball program recruits LHP with less velocity than 90+, you will find a few LHP lower, but in most cases, they never become starters, and just used in situational matchups (lefty/lefty).
Wow, the Florida schools must be tough! I see a fair amount of PAC-10 games, and there are quite a few pitchers, including right handers, who pitch in the high 80s. Watch the NCAA regionals and WS games, and take note of the radar readings; you'll see lots of pitchers who don't reach 90+. Yet nearly all of those pitchers are recruited.
Something to bear in mind--with high end colleges wrapping up their recruiting much earlier, schools do have to give more thought to projection than they used to. For a 2010, it will be 18 months before he can pitch in a real game, and a skinny tall kid who is throwing, say, 87-88 will get recruited, even if he is right handed (but has movement, command, etc.)
Having said all that, there are way more pitchers who can throw at 85 than at 90. A good pitcher who can hit 90 is very much in demand. The same level of skill, but at 85, is not a rare commodity. The steep slope of the number of pitchers versus velocity means that it is important to know whether 87 means "all time fastest pitch" or "sits at 87".
In any case, 82 mph, even for a 2010 lefthander, is on the slow side. I'd think that the only D1 schools that would be interested would be Ivys. A school like Stanford, which ranks among the top in admission standards, would not, I believe, have any interest.
3FingeredGlove, was that a typo? I am a 2011 LHP (rising junior). I understand that Stanford is out of my reach as well; I do love the school though and if for any reason college baseball doesn't work out, I'll probably apply early to Stanford solely as a student.
Back to my question about academic index, exactly how much does it affect how strong of a pitcher I need to be at the Ivy League schools, considering that my academic index will likely be near-perfect (high 230s), putting me in the higher echelon to the recruiting process as it once was at Ivies?
Another thing: I do not mind if I get stuck in a relieving role, nor do I even mind if I have to ride the bench my freshman year. I love baseball but it's a step I'm willing to take if it means getting into a dream program.
Back to my question about academic index, exactly how much does it affect how strong of a pitcher I need to be at the Ivy League schools, considering that my academic index will likely be near-perfect (high 230s), putting me in the higher echelon to the recruiting process as it once was at Ivies?
Another thing: I do not mind if I get stuck in a relieving role, nor do I even mind if I have to ride the bench my freshman year. I love baseball but it's a step I'm willing to take if it means getting into a dream program.
No, it wasn't a typo, but it wasn't very well explained either. In your first post, you asked a question under the assumption that you wouldn't gain any velocity over the next year. So you'd still be at 82 next year. I transformed that into how it would look this year if you were a 2010. Very poorly stated on my part.
On the other hand your goal of gaining 4-5 mph over the next year would put you into a good position, I suppose, for Ivy League schools.
Regarding very high academic status: that's great, but I believe that once a player exceeds the threshold for inclusion in a particular academic rating, anything extra really doesn't do the athletic program much good. So I doubt that it is valued.
On the other hand your goal of gaining 4-5 mph over the next year would put you into a good position, I suppose, for Ivy League schools.
Regarding very high academic status: that's great, but I believe that once a player exceeds the threshold for inclusion in a particular academic rating, anything extra really doesn't do the athletic program much good. So I doubt that it is valued.
quote:Regarding very high academic status: that's great, but I believe that once a player exceeds the threshold for inclusion in a particular academic rating, anything extra really doesn't do the athletic program much good. So I doubt that it is valued.
So being a high "band 4" athlete wouldn't necessarily mitigate the athletic standards I have to fulfill compared with a "band 2 or 3" athlete? I take it the academic index is no longer quite as relevant for Ivy League schools as it used to be? Thanks for your response.
I don't know how valuable Band 4 is versus a Band 3 athlete. All I meant is that a player who barely meets Band 4 counts just the same as one who at the top of the band.
quote:I don't know how valuable Band 4 is versus a Band 3 athlete. All I meant is that a player who barely meets Band 4 counts just the same as one who at the top of the band.
Oh, I see. So a LHP with a mid-high 80s fastball would normally be considered fulfilling the band 4-caliber athlete then?
I think the root of your questions are: Will your grades get you on the baseball team?
This summer we have talked to many of the ivies, and basically they are saying that they can recruit enough academically qualified kids that they don't need to lower their standards for baseball skills much at all. If a kid isn't getting D1 interest from other colleges, the ivies probably won't be interested either.
The academic index bands are seldom an issue with baseball. Football (with its large roster size) may use the high academic recruits to even things out, but baseball doesn't really have to. Also, the ivies carry a smaller roster, so they like versatile players, and players that can contribute immediately.
This stuff changes every year, so even examples of things that happened 2-4 years ago, can be outdated. If anything, the trend is that there are more high school players that get good enough grades to get into an ivie, so it is the baseball skills that are getting kids recruited.
This summer we have talked to many of the ivies, and basically they are saying that they can recruit enough academically qualified kids that they don't need to lower their standards for baseball skills much at all. If a kid isn't getting D1 interest from other colleges, the ivies probably won't be interested either.
The academic index bands are seldom an issue with baseball. Football (with its large roster size) may use the high academic recruits to even things out, but baseball doesn't really have to. Also, the ivies carry a smaller roster, so they like versatile players, and players that can contribute immediately.
This stuff changes every year, so even examples of things that happened 2-4 years ago, can be outdated. If anything, the trend is that there are more high school players that get good enough grades to get into an ivie, so it is the baseball skills that are getting kids recruited.
http://www.amazon.com/Playing-...dp/0972202668#reader
With all the tools you have today I can't understand why this belief has legs.
Goggle the term "Athletic Admits " its real and exists in every Ivy. PBS dad a 2 hour documentary where several IVY presidents admitted it and said their goal was to have a well rounded student body not just academic grinders. That included athletes and below standard academic students.
With all the tools you have today I can't understand why this belief has legs.
Goggle the term "Athletic Admits " its real and exists in every Ivy. PBS dad a 2 hour documentary where several IVY presidents admitted it and said their goal was to have a well rounded student body not just academic grinders. That included athletes and below standard academic students.
quote:
The academic index bands are seldom an issue with baseball. Football (with its large roster size) may use the high academic recruits to even things out, but baseball doesn't really have to. Also, the ivies carry a smaller roster, so they like versatile players, and players that can contribute immediately.
You're right, this is essentially what I was looking for. Thanks!
quote:
Goggle the term "Athletic Admits " its real and exists in every Ivy. PBS dad a 2 hour documentary where several IVY presidents admitted it and said their goal was to have a well rounded student body not just academic grinders. That included athletes and below standard academic students.
Of course I understand that they can lower academic standards; I just wasn't sure how relevant the academic index/academic bands are to baseball recruiting.
Anyhow, I suppose the only real question I have is if a mid-80s LHP with certain characteristics (fastball movement, deceptive motion, strong curve/decent change) and strong grades/scores (3.95 UW, 2350+ SAT, 800/800/790 SAT subject test scores) is a strong candidate for Ivy League baseball (I'm just throwing the academic info just to give a better idea of where I am as a student) or if I need to improve from an athletic standpoint.
You always need to improve regardless of your ability. But a lhp that can pitch and throws in the mid 80's can pitch at any level. Get out there and compete against the best you can compete against and see how you perform. And the interest you get and who you get it from will tell you what those that matter really think. Good Luck
I agree. Once you show that you can stay eligible academically and hopefully max the academic contribution to the scholarship equation coaches are happy. Now all you have to do is show you can pitch at the high level.
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:quote:Originally posted by TPM:
From a D1 standpoint, what I have seen, no top tier baseball program recruits LHP with less velocity than 90+, you will find a few LHP lower, but in most cases, they never become starters, and just used in situational matchups (lefty/lefty).
Wow, the Florida schools must be tough! I see a fair amount of PAC-10 games, and there are quite a few pitchers, including right handers, who pitch in the high 80s. Watch the NCAA regionals and WS games, and take note of the radar readings; you'll see lots of pitchers who don't reach 90+. Yet nearly all of those pitchers are recruited.
Something to bear in mind--with high end colleges wrapping up their recruiting much earlier, schools do have to give more thought to projection than they used to. For a 2010, it will be 18 months before he can pitch in a real game, and a skinny tall kid who is throwing, say, 87-88 will get recruited, even if he is right handed (but has movement, command, etc.)
Having said all that, there are way more pitchers who can throw at 85 than at 90. A good pitcher who can hit 90 is very much in demand. The same level of skill, but at 85, is not a rare commodity. The steep slope of the number of pitchers versus velocity means that it is important to know whether 87 means "all time fastest pitch" or "sits at 87".
In any case, 82 mph, even for a 2010 lefthander, is on the slow side. I'd think that the only D1 schools that would be interested would be Ivys. A school like Stanford, which ranks among the top in admission standards, would not, I believe, have any interest.
Sorry, I must have been sleeping.
Let me repeat, most top tier baseball programs I have seen, LHP are recruited in very high 80's, usually becoming 90+ guys (projectible) after a few years. A lot depends on the program and their goals for pitching.
I didn't mean just here in FL.
But FWIW, the top programs in FL, UM, FSU and UF do not sign pitchers unless they are top velo guys. The may recruit them but they don't sign them unless the need an extra arm with hopes his velo will improve.
Play 9,
The All American Prospects, are they a very good team? Top tier? If so you may be better served by playing for a program that is not geared toward seeding the Top Tier D-1 programs and MLB.
If you were to find a team that plays a similar schedule that was not so rich in pitching, you might find out that you are a starter and get the innings in so that you are seen by a wider array of recruiters.
Play 9 you have a PM.
You should really have no problem playing for a mid level to lower level D-1 or any number of Florida JUCO's.
I would get a video together and circulate it. If you have control you should be able to find a home at the next level.
The All American Prospects, are they a very good team? Top tier? If so you may be better served by playing for a program that is not geared toward seeding the Top Tier D-1 programs and MLB.
If you were to find a team that plays a similar schedule that was not so rich in pitching, you might find out that you are a starter and get the innings in so that you are seen by a wider array of recruiters.
Play 9 you have a PM.
You should really have no problem playing for a mid level to lower level D-1 or any number of Florida JUCO's.
I would get a video together and circulate it. If you have control you should be able to find a home at the next level.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
My son's college was playing Florida state a few years ago, The one LHP on FS was throwing 78 and they referred to him as a very successful pitcher. FS was ranked #1 that year.
Also there are lots of great relievers in college ball and not all want to be a starter.
Regardless of your velocity let the coaches tell you and do not rely on other people. Lots of D1 pitchers including RHPs do not throw 90+.
You want to tell me who that was? We played many (close to a dozen)games against FSU and never ONCE did we see a pitcher throwing 78. MM would never use a pitcher throwing 78 unless he had to.
Perhaps that was a weekday game and coach threw someone to save an arm?
I don't believe you !
Does RJ Swindle play MLB ? He throws 80 MPH.
Does RJ Swindle play MLB ? He throws 80 MPH.
RJ Swindle did not play for FSU.
What's your point?
We are talking college baseball, not MLB.
What's your point?
We are talking college baseball, not MLB.
My point is that if RJ can play MLB so can a 80 mph player play D1 BB at the highest level. TPM it isn't about you. This guy needs to know the truth and he is only limited by his desire and skill. I and others have seen low 80s guys at top D1 schools. Yes coaches like velocity but there is room for a soft tosser on any level of D1. Keep your BS out of it.
By the way my son's school had 3 guys in the 90s. One hitting 98mph playing in the cape. He has an ERA there of 2.5.
Our closer was a soft tossing LHP who plays pro ball and held the school record for saves.
By the way my son's school had 3 guys in the 90s. One hitting 98mph playing in the cape. He has an ERA there of 2.5.
Our closer was a soft tossing LHP who plays pro ball and held the school record for saves.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
From a D1 standpoint, what I have seen, no top tier baseball program recruits LHP with less velocity than 90+, you will find a few LHP lower, but in most cases, they never become starters, and just used in situational matchups (lefty/lefty).
I don't think this is even close to being true. IN the CWS this year, ASU's top lefty pitcher was a kid my son grew up with. He was hitting 83-84 all during the CWS, and that was on the "ESPN gun."
He was 9-5 at ASU with a 3.01 ERA last year.
Rob is right. Throwing 90 in D1 baseball from the left side is the exception, not the rule. College baseball is replete with junkballers that are successful. There is no reward for throwing a 91 MPH fastball on the inner half. Pitches that break bats against wood are line drives in D1. Unless you throw 94+, velocity seems immaterial except that the change of speeds is a definite advantage. Anyone who throws 90+ from the left side is smart to get out of college baseball as fast as possible before they blow their arm out from constantly throwing junk.
Some of the ones I know got 7 figure pro deals.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
http://www.amazon.com/Playing-...dp/0972202668#reader
With all the tools you have today I can't understand why this belief has legs.
Goggle the term "Athletic Admits " its real and exists in every Ivy. PBS dad a 2 hour documentary where several IVY presidents admitted it and said their goal was to have a well rounded student body not just academic grinders. That included athletes and below standard academic students.
If this was directed to me, then I would simply reply that the links you gave are from 2004, 5 years ago, and it is likely the documentary was reporting older studies and facts as well.
I'm reporting information that is 1 month old and is straight from the recruiter's mouths. Baseball can not be lumped with all ivy sports, and it is changing year to year. 5 years is a long time ago in their world.
quote:I'm reporting information that is 1 month old and is straight from the recruiter's mouths. Baseball can not be lumped with all ivy sports, and it is changing year to year. 5 years is a long time ago in their world.
The documentary I watch is as current as a documentary can be . I watched about a month ago. BB was featured in the documentary as well as the money sports.
Some of the guys that were inerviewed are in the article below.
http://media.www.dailypennsylv...s.Game-2182574.shtml
If you all go back and read, I said that most top tier schools that I have seen, the LHP are high velocity guys.
I also said it depends on the programs philosophy.
I also never said a lower velo lefty guy can't play D1 ball, I was giving my perception as to what I have seen, at most games I have attended.
East coast baseball is a lot different than that played in the west, pitching dominates where out west hitting dominates.
It was mentioned that a guy pitching 78 at FSU who was very good, I asked who, because I never saw a lefty at FSU throw 78, or any other top tier baseball program out this way. I am talking the top tier of the conferences.
As far as leaving out the BS BHD,, I agree, why are you linking stuff 5 years ago, and why are we now comparing MLB players to college guys.
There was no reason to bring up a MLB guy in this situation, the player is looking to go to school and get a degree, I never saw anything mentioned about going beyond that.
If you all go back to the original post, monster was asking a question and being very realistic in his topic, his priority is academics, and advice given to him should be as to what he is looking for not what any of us thinks he should b elooking for. He was already challenged to as to why he just is looking into Ivy schools. Ridiculous.
As far as Play9's comments about no offers, I can definetly relate to what he is saying, if he is concentrating on the top programs here as a LHP(with average grades) at that velo, it might not happen, you have to be closer to 90. His best interest would be the mid D1's here or as Floridafan suggests, JUCO. Not sure what he is looking for, but you won't find it here, go out and do your homework.
The best advice for both players is to get out and be seen by those schools you are interested in either be it academics or for the baseball program.
I also said it depends on the programs philosophy.
I also never said a lower velo lefty guy can't play D1 ball, I was giving my perception as to what I have seen, at most games I have attended.
East coast baseball is a lot different than that played in the west, pitching dominates where out west hitting dominates.
It was mentioned that a guy pitching 78 at FSU who was very good, I asked who, because I never saw a lefty at FSU throw 78, or any other top tier baseball program out this way. I am talking the top tier of the conferences.
As far as leaving out the BS BHD,, I agree, why are you linking stuff 5 years ago, and why are we now comparing MLB players to college guys.
There was no reason to bring up a MLB guy in this situation, the player is looking to go to school and get a degree, I never saw anything mentioned about going beyond that.
If you all go back to the original post, monster was asking a question and being very realistic in his topic, his priority is academics, and advice given to him should be as to what he is looking for not what any of us thinks he should b elooking for. He was already challenged to as to why he just is looking into Ivy schools. Ridiculous.
As far as Play9's comments about no offers, I can definetly relate to what he is saying, if he is concentrating on the top programs here as a LHP(with average grades) at that velo, it might not happen, you have to be closer to 90. His best interest would be the mid D1's here or as Floridafan suggests, JUCO. Not sure what he is looking for, but you won't find it here, go out and do your homework.
The best advice for both players is to get out and be seen by those schools you are interested in either be it academics or for the baseball program.
If the pitcher who throws with this type of velocity has the grades why not look at the top D-III programs in the Northeast
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
If the pitcher who throws with this type of velocity has the grades why not look at the top D-III programs in the Northeast
You are right TR, he did ask about D3 programs, but no one really responded. Seems to me the young man is more interested in his grades, then being the next RJ Swindle!
BTW, my comment about not finding it here, Play9 was asking in the FL thread if any coach is looking for a player, that's not how you get noticed. JMO.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
From a D1 standpoint, what I have seen, no top tier baseball program recruits LHP with less velocity than 90+, you will find a few LHP lower, but in most cases, they never become starters, and just used in situational matchups (lefty/lefty).
Apparently you were sleeping when you wrote above.
I retracted that statement.
BTW, still waiting for an answer as to who the 78 mph lefty was at FSU. Was that 78 at FB, or off speed? Surely you must remember that one.
Also, why do you keep bringing up where your son was recruited? FWIW, your son, my son and many websters sons too were also recruited to many schools such as UM, the bottom line, anyone can get a recruiting letter, invite to a camp, phone call, the bottom line is where you end up, whether it be for the bb program or academic program and where you had success either in bb or in the classroom, what happended in recruting to our kids 5-6 years ago is completely irrevelant to recruting today, in case you haven't taken notice.
BTW, still waiting for an answer as to who the 78 mph lefty was at FSU. Was that 78 at FB, or off speed? Surely you must remember that one.
Also, why do you keep bringing up where your son was recruited? FWIW, your son, my son and many websters sons too were also recruited to many schools such as UM, the bottom line, anyone can get a recruiting letter, invite to a camp, phone call, the bottom line is where you end up, whether it be for the bb program or academic program and where you had success either in bb or in the classroom, what happended in recruting to our kids 5-6 years ago is completely irrevelant to recruting today, in case you haven't taken notice.
Get off your horse. Yes you retracted your statement after you were called out on it and woke up.
This argument is over.
This argument is over.
monster
there are a ton of very good d2 d3 schools here in the northeast.i dare say you would have no problem pitching with that velocity. if your grades are good enough to get in an ivy school, you'd be welcomed with open arms at most d2 d3 schools.
keep your eye on the prize, don't give up.
there are a ton of very good d2 d3 schools here in the northeast.i dare say you would have no problem pitching with that velocity. if your grades are good enough to get in an ivy school, you'd be welcomed with open arms at most d2 d3 schools.
keep your eye on the prize, don't give up.
Bobblehead,
My point isn't to argue with you, but to present the OP with some current information. A documentary could be looking at data that is 5 years old as well. However, you seem to be focusing on athletes with less academic merit getting into top academic schools rather that what the OP is asking about, which is a top academic achiever getting an edge to play baseball. The message presented by recruiters for 7 of the 8 ivies (no Harvard) was that you need the baseball talent first and foremost. The baseball rosters are smaller at these schools and they can't carry players that won't contribute.
To the OP:
Focus on getting better, and get to some camps, tryouts, or showcases that will allow you to get an unbiased evaluation of your skills. One of the lessor ivies is recruiting a LHP that throws 85 mph, but with a great changeup as an out pitch. Another of the ivies currently has a pitcher that has hit 98 mph. They want pitchers that have shown they can pitch and project to be D1 talent.
My point isn't to argue with you, but to present the OP with some current information. A documentary could be looking at data that is 5 years old as well. However, you seem to be focusing on athletes with less academic merit getting into top academic schools rather that what the OP is asking about, which is a top academic achiever getting an edge to play baseball. The message presented by recruiters for 7 of the 8 ivies (no Harvard) was that you need the baseball talent first and foremost. The baseball rosters are smaller at these schools and they can't carry players that won't contribute.
To the OP:
Focus on getting better, and get to some camps, tryouts, or showcases that will allow you to get an unbiased evaluation of your skills. One of the lessor ivies is recruiting a LHP that throws 85 mph, but with a great changeup as an out pitch. Another of the ivies currently has a pitcher that has hit 98 mph. They want pitchers that have shown they can pitch and project to be D1 talent.
That is why I started a separate thread on the subject.
This has been going on since Adam & Eve and if anything it has expanded. I haven't been able to find the documentary but it was current and referred to all the Ivys. It was 2hrs long and featured interviews with coaches,presidents, ADs and the president of the NCAA. It wasn't just about Ivys but college athletes getting preferential treatment at all levels of college sports. It was one of the most informative documentaries on college sports I have ever seen or read.
All schools bend rules regarding admissions for all sports.
Not arguing just stating facts.
The reason for the documentary was that a lot of academic staff at high ranked colleges said athletes were taking spots of academically qualifies students. The college presidents retorted that the athletes offered a more rounded student boby. They fought the challenge and won.
This has been going on since Adam & Eve and if anything it has expanded. I haven't been able to find the documentary but it was current and referred to all the Ivys. It was 2hrs long and featured interviews with coaches,presidents, ADs and the president of the NCAA. It wasn't just about Ivys but college athletes getting preferential treatment at all levels of college sports. It was one of the most informative documentaries on college sports I have ever seen or read.
All schools bend rules regarding admissions for all sports.
Not arguing just stating facts.
The reason for the documentary was that a lot of academic staff at high ranked colleges said athletes were taking spots of academically qualifies students. The college presidents retorted that the athletes offered a more rounded student boby. They fought the challenge and won.
I completely agree with your last post.
I just don't think the OP was getting his answer since this is the opposite of his situation.
I just don't think the OP was getting his answer since this is the opposite of his situation.
I think I was pointing out that marks are not always an issue at Ivys. He got some great answers that indicated that marks to a point have some benefit in regards to a coach using his BB money in D1 but in Ivys a players BB skills could bump a good academic student that was otherwise a shoe in at an IVY. That is what brought on the challenge by IVY staffs.
I know several hockey guys who went to Cornell and they were average students. Since they were also not able to afford an IVY I wondered how the could afford to go. The one kids father was a sports announcer here which is a very low paying profession. They lived in a modest semi detached so if Ivys don't give Hockey scholarships how did he do this ? His older brother worked for me but I never asked.
I know several hockey guys who went to Cornell and they were average students. Since they were also not able to afford an IVY I wondered how the could afford to go. The one kids father was a sports announcer here which is a very low paying profession. They lived in a modest semi detached so if Ivys don't give Hockey scholarships how did he do this ? His older brother worked for me but I never asked.
Ivies are completely need-based. I think it is Harvard that states a yearly family income of $60,000 or less means the student goes for free if admitted. I think they are all following suit now.
I remember 7 or 8 years ago going to a Giants game and watching Kirk Rueter (LHP) top out at 85-87 and be very successful. I thought, wow, my son can throw that hard at age 16...he's got enough velocity to pitch in the big leagues!
Wrong...obviously.
Its too easy to watch the exceptional case (and the ASU LHP is an 'exceptional' case) and think that its all you need. No, no, no. The truth is that he, and Kirk Reueter, are big-time exceptions...1-in-a-thousand, maybe 1-in-a-million?
Go back and read PGStaff's words (as quoted by O44):
This is the reality of it all. Don't watch that 1-in-a-million and think its impossible...but don't think its routine either. Its far, very far from that.
monstor - From your messages on here, it seems you have a pretty good head on your shoulders. The very best to you. Let us know how it all progresses.
Wrong...obviously.
Its too easy to watch the exceptional case (and the ASU LHP is an 'exceptional' case) and think that its all you need. No, no, no. The truth is that he, and Kirk Reueter, are big-time exceptions...1-in-a-thousand, maybe 1-in-a-million?
Go back and read PGStaff's words (as quoted by O44):
quote:It doesn't mean mid 80s pitchers have no chance. It means they have to be extra special and show it consistently to the right people.
This is the reality of it all. Don't watch that 1-in-a-million and think its impossible...but don't think its routine either. Its far, very far from that.
monstor - From your messages on here, it seems you have a pretty good head on your shoulders. The very best to you. Let us know how it all progresses.