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Originally posted by TPM:
Be safe everyone, and please prepare as advised and don't put it off until the last minute.


Yeah, I've prepared the best we can. We are ready to hunker down and ride it out. Expecting heavy rains and sustained winds of 40+ with gusts to 50-55 mph by Monday. Already getting some gusts to 25-30 mph with rain slowly creeping closer.

New Jersey appears to be the in the bulls eye.
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Originally posted by soulslam55:
When they say it will be worse than Irene (2011) that's something. Some of my neighbors here in North Jersey are still not squared away from last year. I only lost 1/2 a basement so I guess I was lucky.

The waiting is the worst. School's are pretty much closed until Wednesday. State of emergency.
This is supposed to be a direct hit on the Jersey Shore and be very bad. I know friends are down there boarding up and sand bagging this weekend.
With people anticipating a direct hit it's pretty somber around here (south jersey) ...store shelves are bare...filling stations were out of gas as early as yesterday afternoon. The attendant told me that he sold 4 to 5 days worth of gas in 24 hours.

We have prepared as best we can and now wait and hope for the best...we are not on the shore however I fear that those folks are really going to be blasted.

Hoping that this thing weakens and moves out to sea, best of luck to all. angel
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Good Luck y'all. The anticipation is the worst. It's too cold for a hurricane!

My son is in NYC and mama is worrying for him. Having been through a couple as a kid, he stocked up early. He told us everything was wiped out, but they were good. He has a dog, and his apartment is 6 floors up. This won't be the first time they've had to walk up, but hopefully power won't be out for too long.
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Originally posted by RJM:
watching the Old England Patriots win 45-7.


*Ye Olde England Patriots

Looks like the brunt of it might hit near Atlantic City and just miss New York City. Everything- schools, businesses, public transit- is already shut down. Evacuations, curfews... I think the cities have done as well as they can to prepare.

I'm 75 miles inland. Raining steadily. The first winds are arriving. Trees will be my biggest problem. I'm surrounded. It's pure luck whether you get it, or not. I might wear a football helmet to bed, tonight. My neighbors near the creek are gonna get flooded. I feel so bad for them.

Some people will have things even worse. The coast is gonna get pounded. Islands will disappear.

Yes, there are some kooks that won't leave. "I've been here for 100 years..." First time they catch you, out and about, it's a warning. Second time, you get hauled off to the emergency shelter. NQA.

Here's one of the last boats to get pulled out yesterday. He had to go out one inlet, and in another. Piloted by marina employees, not the owner. He made it.

video and pictures

A guy who evacuated left his webcam on. That's not his boat. His neighbor decided to leave it on the lift. This is in Brigantine, NJ, right about where the storm is expected to land. There is a big marsh out there. It's underwater, now. The marsh will still be there, but I don't know where this boat will be, by Wednesday.

livestream from kitchen window

Things are getting messed up now, and it hasn't even started, yet. Wires are down everywhere. Tides are barely going out. And then the next one comes in. My brother's has a place that's two blocks from the ocean, eight feet above sea level. He's got his fingers crossed. We all do.

I hope everyone makes it through this storm OK. It will be a doozy. Stay safe.
The sea was angry that day - George Costanza

Fall ended early at the beach. All the leaves were blown off the trees before they completely turned. Comcast is out. They $uck when they're on. Fortunately I also have USB internet access on a laptop and a portable tv antennae.

I looked up at the tv and noticed Ch 4/WBZ was in front of my house. I couldn't see them from my desk. The surf is hitting up into the grass. It's still a long way from the three foot wall in front of my house. My basement is below sea level. The toll booth attendants have been removed from the Tobin Bridge.

What was amusing was thirty minutes ago the news was trying to act like there's a tradgedy as people walked by with the dogs. The dogs tails were wagging. People were smiling and waving. Now the rain is pounding the house ... sideways. No one is outside.

If the power goes out I have a gas stove and a generator. Since I feel safe the view over the ocean is rather cool.
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It's so windy right now (50-60 mph) the high grass between my house and the beach has been blown flat sideways like someone combed Don King's hair.

What are reporters trying to prove standing out in a hurricane? I can tell it's very windy and wet without standing in it. Will viewers not believe them if they're not standing in it getting drenched?
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Next here hours will be the worst for us gust of winds hitting 50 mph, downed trees and power outages all over...south Jersey shore getting hit hard...stay safe

governor Christie just took the Atlantic city mayor to the woodshed for not evacuating some of his people...They are in a building a block from the beach that is surround by water and Christie told them he is not risking anyone to go get them since they did not listen to him to evacuate

They re going to have to ride it out
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Originally posted by fanofgame:
I just dont get people who dont leave when evacuated.Then rescue workers have to risk their lives to save them.If the experts say leave,leave.Even if they are being extremely cautious.I have always found that to be stupid.


You cant blame them, people are protective in nature of their property and the unknown. It's the officials fault, mandatory evacuation. If people die, it's on them.

JMO.
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Originally posted by fanofgame:
I just dont get people who dont leave when evacuated.Then rescue workers have to risk their lives to save them. If the experts say leave,leave. Even if they are being extremely cautious.I have always found that to be stupid.
I was at my parents house in Hyannisport when Hurricane Bob (1991) ripped right through with it being the eye. We were advised to leave. No one left. We put the plexiglass storm windows over the regular windows. Every boat in the marina was destroyed except the one that was lifted over a fifteen foot sea wall. There wasn't a tree left on the street. No one was injured. We had a tree fall on the porch. We lost some roof shingles. Another tree fell on my rental car. Some bonehead took a walk on the jetty. He was found by the Coast Guard after the storm clinging to a bouy a mile out.

The decision to leave is a calculation based on the history of the area and whether or not you think it's possible for the sea to get to your house. We had a week without electricity.
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The little boy in me just got back from a walk. I wore work goggles to protect my eyes. There was nothing flying in the air. It wasn't raining when I left the house. When I walked over a bridge I had to lean into the wind after it blew me off my foot facing the ocean. Then it started raining. Now I have a general idea of what a protestor feels like when the hose hits them.

Right now it's four hours to high tide. The tide goes way out here. The waves are coming up higher than normal high tide. The waves ten miles out are 25-30 feet high.

The power went out from my next door neighbor and south. When I came back from my walk they were back on. At one point there were 400,000 without electricity. According to the news it's a lot worse on the south shore and even worse on the south side of Cape Cod. Scitiuate is like the little kid that always gets picked on. The news media runs there first when there's a storm.

I'm sure it's a lot worse at the Jersey Shore. A friend called from near Battery Park in NYC. She said the area is underwater.
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Originally posted by TPM:
RJM,

Never second guess mother nature.

Stay safe.
We don't have hurricanes of the magnitude the south deals with. It's just a tropical storm with winds 60-80 mph. The news makes a big deal out of it because the northeast isn't accustomed to this kind of weather and we're the center of the universe in the media's eyes.
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Originally posted by RJM:
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Originally posted by TPM:
RJM,

Never second guess mother nature.

Stay safe.
We don't have hurricanes of the magnitude the south deals with. It's just a tropical storm with winds 60-80 mph. The news makes a big deal out of it because the northeast isn't accustomed to this kind of weather and we're the center of the universe in the media's eyes.


The NE is the heaviest populated area.
Many more people would have died if the media had not made a big deal out of Sandy.
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90 percent of the homes in my town are without power. Fortunately we didn't sustain any damage, just no Power or water. Last year a tree hit our house during Irene- now that was scary.

Many people lost their homes or businesses in the flood. Very tough times for them. Anyone who has been through a flood knows how traumatic it can be.
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Originally posted by RJM:
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The decision to leave is a calculation based on the history of the area and whether or not you think it's possible for the sea to get to your house. We had a week without electricity.


You're right....but in this case EVERY major news outlet was saying this is not just another storm. It's going to be unlike anything anyone has seen. And they were right. People are always think they are smarter than the officials...and people end up dying because of it. Last night around 7pm CNN interviewed a woman (by phone) who was on Fire Island. She said "we were here in Irene and the water was 2 feet deep so we stayed again". Really??? That's fine, but the projections for this one are much, much worse. Guess what, today's news reports are talking about 60+ people needing to be rescued from Fire Island. I hope the lady and her husband got out ok...but I hope that if this ever happens again, someone will go in their and grab that woman by the hair and drag her out....before someone else has to risk their life rescuing her...AGAIN!!!
It's funny, not in a joking way but I've lived most of my life in the San Francisco Bay Area and many earthquakes including 1958 and 1989 and just have dealt with it never really in that much fear, yet, the thought of a hurricane scares the h*ll out of me. I keep reading RJM"s post and am amazed how he seems to be taking it in stride. God bless you guys on the east coast and stay safe.
Walking around today (North Shore Boston beach) you would never know there was a hurricane. It was supposed to be horrible today. A half hour ago it was sunny and humid. On the Boston Globe Pravda there were 85 pictures sent in. 70 something were fallen trees. The water pictures were spray after the surf hit a sea wall. It looks the same in any storm. On the South Shore there were 400K without power last night.
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Originally posted by Tooldforthis:
It's funny, not in a joking way but I've lived most of my life in the San Francisco Bay Area and many earthquakes including 1958 and 1989 and just have dealt with it never really in that much fear, yet, the thought of a hurricane scares the h*ll out of me. I keep reading RJM"s post and am amazed how he seems to be taking it in stride. God bless you guys on the east coast and stay safe.
Toold. I lived in California for twenty years in LA, SF and SD. I was in a concrete parking garage when the SF earthquake hit. I never ran so fast in my life. I was in a couple of 6.0+ in LA at the beach where the ground is sandy and unstable.

Relative to what they get in the south this was not a bad hurricane unless in the eye in NJ/NY. The big question to assess is, you look at the water and ask yourself ... The water is over there. What's it going to take to get over here? During Hurricane Bob our house was 100 yards from the beach. In Sandy and this house the water would have to come over the equivilant of a fairway bunker, through forty yards of high grass and lawn to get to a three foot wall in front of the house. The yard is large enough were the nearest trees couldn't fall on the house.
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Three times in my 32 years of employment at a large chemical complex 20 miles from the Texas Gulf coast, I have been dumb enough to volunteer to stay during a hurricane. One missed us completely, one kind of nicked us and Claudette came right through although with only 110 mph winds. Even then, it was kind of terrifying as we of the skeleton crew waited and waited while the skies got more and more ominous.

Then the wind started and before it was over, it was roaring and I was watching chemical plant columns shaking back and forth through a small window in one of the doors. Anything not tied down--we had spent three days trying to tie everything was flying through the air. I kept my eyes on tanks full of chemicals such as ammonia, nitric acid, hydrogen cyanide, etc and was hoping they would hold together. The fuller they were, the more chance they would hold together. The electricity failed and all you heard was the roar. When the eye passed, we walked outside for a few minutes and you could see some blue sky, but it wasn't long and everything started again, with the winds from a different direction. I was stuck there for three days but I wouldn't do it again.
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I will take a hurricane any day over a tornado.
When I was in MO those sirens through the night just freaked me out.

I have been living in south florida for 36 years and I have never seen along the beaches what I have today on TV today. I have been through several, the worst one for us here in my neighborhood was with Wilma. A tornado came through here and that is what caused most of the damage.

I spent summers on the jersey shore and went to college there, it makes me sad to see the destruction, it will never be the same.

RJM, you and your neighbors and very lucky.

Thank goodness the media was all over this, could have lost many many lives in this storm.

I do hope that everyone up that way is ok.
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The center of Post-Tropical Cyclone Sandy is pretty much sitting on top of me right now. If I hadn't had access to any media or the outside world, I wouldn't even realize the frankenstorm existed. I think the Allegheny Mountains pretty much knocked the punch out of Sandy. We got plenty of rain over the last few days and wind up to 55 mph gusts but that is normal weather in these parts. In the winter (and I mean anywhere from the end of October through April) we get snow. Often a foot or two at a time and nobody really pays any attention to the hardship outside our region.

We are equipped to handle it but I admit the thought of going a week or more without power and having water flowing through my basement or first floor is not comforting. I know how much hard work it is to stay warm, hydrated and fed. This was one time I was fortunate just because of my location. I took my usual four mile hike today. No clean up here. And I am thankful of it.
RJM, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Not being impacted by a hurricane is great. Good for you. I have no idea if the national media is over hyping the impact of Sandy on Boston because I haven't seen television since the power went out on Monday. At this moment I'm sitting in my car charging various electronic devices.

I am enjoying the full moon out, which really stands out in the complete darkness being experienced by 90 percent of the people in my town.

Come on down to Connecticut and you can see more than fallen trees. Bring some of the firewood from those fallen trees, because folks down this way will need to start burning wood to keep warm as the temperature starts dropping. Fortunately Irene donated 3 trees to me last year (including the tree that hit the house) so I've got plenty of firewood to last for a while.

Bring some water, too, since the flood water may have contaminated the drinking water. For those of us who have water wells, we need the water to flush our toilets since we don't have running water while the power is out. Thanks to the "hype" my bathtub is full of water so we can flush once a day. Cool, huh?

I lived on the Texas Gulf coast for 30 years, rode out a hurricane and a tropical storm. I was in Houston for a tropical storm in 2001. The devastation was horrific. I volunteered in the clean up efforts and spoke to a homeowner who did not evacuate because there wasn't much "hype". Just a tropical storm, no big deal. Strangers led them through chest high water to safety in the middle of the night. And flood water ain't swimming pool water. I can't convey how traumatized these people were. Many people lost their lives in that storm. I will never forget it, and I will never take a tropical storm lightly. I will prepare for it.

I'm glad our neighbors up I 95 weren't impacted, but the people whose lives have been devastated deserve the attention - and help- now. And I don't mean me. Not having power is a mere inconvenience.
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My son is in NYC, he and his gf and their friends are OK, but... That whole area and it's millions of people are in shock. You could see it in the reports. Even with no power they will need to stay warm, eat, and at some point soon, go to work, go to school etc. My friends from NJ almost feel their whole culture was lost.

Jeff Masters wrote that the little cat 1 storm packed more "punch" than recent cat 5's.
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Originally posted by twotex:
RJM, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Not being impacted by a hurricane is great. Good for you. I have no idea if the national media is over hyping the impact of Sandy on Boston because I haven't seen television since the power went out on Monday. At this moment I'm sitting in my car charging various electronic devices.

I am enjoying the full moon out, which really stands out in the complete darkness being experienced by 90 percent of the people in my town.

Come on down to Connecticut and you can see more than fallen trees. Bring some of the firewood from those fallen trees, because folks down this way will need to start burning wood to keep warm as the temperature starts dropping. Fortunately Irene donated 3 trees to me last year (including the tree that hit the house) so I've got plenty of firewood to last for a while.

Bring some water, too, since the flood water may have contaminated the drinking water. For those of us who have water wells, we need the water to flush our toilets since we don't have running water while the power is out. Thanks to the "hype" my bathtub is full of water so we can flush once a day. Cool, huh?

I lived on the Texas Gulf coast for 30 years, rode out a hurricane and a tropical storm. I was in Houston for a tropical storm in 2001. The devastation was horrific. I volunteered in the clean up efforts and spoke to a homeowner who did not evacuate because there wasn't much "hype". Just a tropical storm, no big deal. Strangers led them through chest high water to safety in the middle of the night. And flood water ain't swimming pool water. I can't convey how traumatized these people were. Many people lost their lives in that storm. I will never forget it, and I will never take a tropical storm lightly. I will prepare for it.

I'm glad our neighbors up I 95 weren't impacted, but the people whose lives have been devastated deserve the attention - and help- now. And I don't mean me. Not having power is a mere inconvenience.
The Boston media completely overplayed the hurricane. Listening to them you would have thought the world was coming to an end. I had Ch 4 on all day. At one point I looked up and realized they were on the beach in front of my house. The disaster they were describing was not what was occurring. After a few hours I realized they were showing the same handful of incidences repeatedly. At what the local media called the most dangerous peak of the storm I walked to McDonald's for an ice cream. I wasn't the only one there. Like I've stated twice, you have to know the history of storms in your area and where the waters flows.

Several years ago when I lived in Philadelphia meteorologist John Bolaris predicted The Perfect Storm. It was going to snow 3-4 feet. Schools were called off. Businesses shut down. When The Perfect Storm was supposed to arrive it was sunny and warm. Bolaris' prediction cost the area millions. He was fired. I was looking for the article on his prediction to provide a link. But the guy's life is such a soap opera it's buried somewhere on the internet.
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There have been some very interesting stories these past two days about people who knew the history of flooding (never) and didn't expect any impact. Apparently Sandy didn't do her homework and took their homes anyway.

Everyone can tell stories of forecasters' misses. I remember the hysteria in Houston when it was thought that Rita was going to hit there. But it only takes one hit to wipe out a home or take a life.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.s...ued_from_bergen.html

This is an area several miles from my home. While this area is low lying and has had some flooding, it has never been like this before. These people lost everything, and once the berm was breached it took only about 30 minutes for most of the area to fill up to the 2nd floors. I know of 3 families in this area who have lost everything.

Please remember these people in your prayers.

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