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Gunnersmom,
Around here, many communities will not allow you to have pit bulls. We also hear many stories around here of people being bitten or mauled by pit bulls because they got loose.
Owning any animal is a responsibility, regardless of breed, I have always told me kids when younger to be cautious when approaching any animal. They are just that, animals.
My granddog was adopted by my daughter when he was a puppy from a shelter. I have no clue what he is, a real Heinz57. Some people think he has pit bull in him, chow, akita, whatever, but as far as temperment, he's a *****cat and VERY intelligent. We treat him as a member of our family, he has never been off the leash (except at the doggy play park) and when strangers come to the house he is held back by his collar.
Responsible ownership.
We had adopted one dog who had been abused and unfortunetly he decided one day out of no where, to attack my daughter. After multiple stitches in face spending hours with a plastic surgeon, I had to take the dog and put him down, as the vet told us he could never be trusted again. It was heartbreaking but done humanely. Responsible ownership.
People own animals for different purposes and that's their business as far as I am concerned. But no matter what the purpose intended to own an animal, the responsible person makes the right choices when they can no longer keep them. Ending their lives because they serve no more purpose by hanging, electrocution, etc. is not responsible ownership.
That also tells you lots about the character of the person or persons involved.
Around here, many communities will not allow you to have pit bulls. We also hear many stories around here of people being bitten or mauled by pit bulls because they got loose.
Owning any animal is a responsibility, regardless of breed, I have always told me kids when younger to be cautious when approaching any animal. They are just that, animals.
My granddog was adopted by my daughter when he was a puppy from a shelter. I have no clue what he is, a real Heinz57. Some people think he has pit bull in him, chow, akita, whatever, but as far as temperment, he's a *****cat and VERY intelligent. We treat him as a member of our family, he has never been off the leash (except at the doggy play park) and when strangers come to the house he is held back by his collar.
Responsible ownership.
We had adopted one dog who had been abused and unfortunetly he decided one day out of no where, to attack my daughter. After multiple stitches in face spending hours with a plastic surgeon, I had to take the dog and put him down, as the vet told us he could never be trusted again. It was heartbreaking but done humanely. Responsible ownership.
People own animals for different purposes and that's their business as far as I am concerned. But no matter what the purpose intended to own an animal, the responsible person makes the right choices when they can no longer keep them. Ending their lives because they serve no more purpose by hanging, electrocution, etc. is not responsible ownership.
That also tells you lots about the character of the person or persons involved.
My family has had dogs in the home since I was a kid and that is a lot of years ago---the breeds have ranged from Labs to Westies to Beagles to Poodles to Boxers---quite a range in temperments
The key is how they are treated in the home---treat them with love they treat everyone with love
As for cleanliness I have found dogs and cats to be cleaner than many humans
Companionship---my three year Westie is like my child-- she is with me all day--- sleeps at my feet during the day and in bed next to us at night
If you have ever been a shut in you would appreciate their companionship-- I have spent time in hospitals where they had visiting dogs and they were a joy to see each day---when my Mom was in a nursing home for rehab after heart surgery we brought her dog in regularly to see her---the way her face lit up when she saw the dog was worth more than all the money in the world
I find it difficult to imagine living without one of my canine buddies in the house
The key is how they are treated in the home---treat them with love they treat everyone with love
As for cleanliness I have found dogs and cats to be cleaner than many humans
Companionship---my three year Westie is like my child-- she is with me all day--- sleeps at my feet during the day and in bed next to us at night
If you have ever been a shut in you would appreciate their companionship-- I have spent time in hospitals where they had visiting dogs and they were a joy to see each day---when my Mom was in a nursing home for rehab after heart surgery we brought her dog in regularly to see her---the way her face lit up when she saw the dog was worth more than all the money in the world
I find it difficult to imagine living without one of my canine buddies in the house
I have owned many of the more "aggressive" breeds.
Had them obedience trained & socialized them a lot.
All wonderful pets.
We now have a Rhodesian Ridgeback (90lbs). It is the most interesting breed I have ever encountered. Too smart for its own good, will not leave my wifes side when alone at home, sleeps with my kids at night. I sought this dog for certian traits of the breed, one of them, it is protective. We thought we got a lemon in that department. The dog is the biggest baby, it is afraid of frogs, runs from cats.
We make jokes about the big whimp. Last fall a huge white Husky was lost and strayed to our house. The dog made chase after my 9yr old and OMG
Our Ridgback took care of business.
Just amazing.
Had them obedience trained & socialized them a lot.
All wonderful pets.
We now have a Rhodesian Ridgeback (90lbs). It is the most interesting breed I have ever encountered. Too smart for its own good, will not leave my wifes side when alone at home, sleeps with my kids at night. I sought this dog for certian traits of the breed, one of them, it is protective. We thought we got a lemon in that department. The dog is the biggest baby, it is afraid of frogs, runs from cats.
We make jokes about the big whimp. Last fall a huge white Husky was lost and strayed to our house. The dog made chase after my 9yr old and OMG
Our Ridgback took care of business.Just amazing.
Tripledad
It is amazing how they protect---I has a Black Lab who had been a seeing eye dog---when I walked him at night near the woods and he heard any noise he was next to me and his growl was like thunder coming over a mountain yet the grandkids could abuse him to no end--I would hate to think what he would have done if someone broke into the house and yet thunder/lightning storms petrified him
Dogs are amazing pets
It is amazing how they protect---I has a Black Lab who had been a seeing eye dog---when I walked him at night near the woods and he heard any noise he was next to me and his growl was like thunder coming over a mountain yet the grandkids could abuse him to no end--I would hate to think what he would have done if someone broke into the house and yet thunder/lightning storms petrified him
Dogs are amazing pets
quote:Originally posted by TripleDad:
The dog is the biggest baby, it is afraid of frogs, runs from cats. Just amazing.
Hey, hey ,hey TripleDad. Cut him some slack! He's smarter than you imagine...have you seen the size of some frogs and cats?
I grew up with 2 killer poodles. They could turn a tennis shoe into a sandal in two days if not carefully watched. Vicious dogs.
35 years later my wife snuck a Malte-Poo into the family. I gave in, bought her a plastic spike collar for special occasions and have taught that carnivore to hunt night crawlers with me for fishing. She doesn't point just attacks. Some night she might catch one. In the mean time I'm just entertained when she starts barking and scratching the dirt when they disappear into the ground.
The first couple times we went out I kept a bag of candy "gummy worms" hidden in my pocket and when the wife and daughters would check up on us I would show them our tug-of-war game. I'd have one end in my mouth and she'd have the other in hers and we'd pull til it broke and enjoy the reward her tail wagging the whole time. My daughters called my Mom and told on me. I was forced to stop but never admitted to the deceptive delicacy.
35 years later my wife snuck a Malte-Poo into the family. I gave in, bought her a plastic spike collar for special occasions and have taught that carnivore to hunt night crawlers with me for fishing. She doesn't point just attacks. Some night she might catch one. In the mean time I'm just entertained when she starts barking and scratching the dirt when they disappear into the ground.
The first couple times we went out I kept a bag of candy "gummy worms" hidden in my pocket and when the wife and daughters would check up on us I would show them our tug-of-war game. I'd have one end in my mouth and she'd have the other in hers and we'd pull til it broke and enjoy the reward her tail wagging the whole time. My daughters called my Mom and told on me. I was forced to stop but never admitted to the deceptive delicacy.
Tripledad,
That's it, that's what my daughter says he looks like the most and he has a slight ridge, you can see it when he gets shaved. I found a pic of EXACTLY what he looks like! He is about 50-60 pounds.
Ranger is a wuss too, but very protective, he gets abused by my daughters male cat (afraid to confront him), yet sleeps with her female cat. He will not leave her side for a moment, and when at our house watches out the window for her. But when walking at night on a leash with anyone from the family, he lets others know to stay away!
rz,
The dog we had to put down was a poodle mix.
My neighbor has a killer yorkie, at 4 pounds Jakie thinks he is a doberman and not the miniature type. He bites her when he is mad yet is sweet to everyone else in the neighborhood. I told her he needs therapy with Cesar.
That's it, that's what my daughter says he looks like the most and he has a slight ridge, you can see it when he gets shaved. I found a pic of EXACTLY what he looks like! He is about 50-60 pounds.
Ranger is a wuss too, but very protective, he gets abused by my daughters male cat (afraid to confront him), yet sleeps with her female cat. He will not leave her side for a moment, and when at our house watches out the window for her. But when walking at night on a leash with anyone from the family, he lets others know to stay away!
rz,
The dog we had to put down was a poodle mix.
My neighbor has a killer yorkie, at 4 pounds Jakie thinks he is a doberman and not the miniature type. He bites her when he is mad yet is sweet to everyone else in the neighborhood. I told her he needs therapy with Cesar.
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
you took a (your) unique situation, labeled it the "norm" and generalized it to all other pit bulls & aggressive breeds - contradicting mountains of CDC statistics, which btw do bear out the .. "tick"
Bee, no where did I say that my situation was the Norm. I said that any dog is capable of being an attack dog. I have had several pit bulls and none of them attacked or had any type of aggression problems.
There is a lot of inbreeding in the breed now days, which can make a dog mentally and socially unstable. There are also alot of unresponsible pet owners in the United States. There is also alot of people who breed dogs in their backyards and call themselves "Dog Breeders". The dogs that are bred in backyards are not registered, when this occurs there is no regulations that are followed to make sure that inbreeding within a bred is not done. "This is the reason why in America we are not able to marry our siblings or parents."
But not all Pits are inbred, mine weren't and I think that makes alot of difference. Now tell me how many of the Pit Bulls that attacked were registered animals? How many had verified backgrounds as to who their parents were? Who verified how they were treated at home? How many had been beated or starved?
All I am saying is alot depends on how a dog is treated and bred. I loved my dogs like they were my children and I am sure that I am not the only one who has had pit bulls that never attacked.
So as what you were saying, somewhere along the line my dogs should of attacked someone because of what they were. tick....tick...tick
.. ya AGAIN have taken (your) unique situation, and generalized it to the entire breed ignoring mountains of statsquote:somewhere along the line my dogs should of attacked someone because of what they were. tick....tick...tick
I do agree that there are alot of psyco-dogs who are the product of bad breeding .. they are very unlikely candidates for dog fighting ... but it's very likely that Vick's operation and those like it are 100% pure-bred registered dogs - the traits of a pure-bred championship fighting dog have been desirable characteristics in those breeds for 150 yrs.
hey, I can't predict with certainty how my children will react to a series of unknown variables on a "bad day" ... yet some insist that their dog is 100% predictable
continued good luck with yours
The reason inbreeding is to be avoided is because it creates genetic diseases. It is a health issue.
That is why when you buy a dog from a breeder (especially popular breeds, Retrievers, Shephards, Terriors) that you make sure it can be AKC registered. It's lineage is trackable. If you are not going to breed it or show it is not necessary to register it but you want to make sure it can be registered
I highly doubt Vicks dogs were registered. There is no reason to. He was breeding them on a ranch to fight and die.
btw. Espn reported that in addition to Vicks Federal Penalty 12-18mo., The state of Virginia intends to file charges as well. There he could get up to 40 years.
Vick is in some deep dog doo doo now!
That is why when you buy a dog from a breeder (especially popular breeds, Retrievers, Shephards, Terriors) that you make sure it can be AKC registered. It's lineage is trackable. If you are not going to breed it or show it is not necessary to register it but you want to make sure it can be registered
I highly doubt Vicks dogs were registered. There is no reason to. He was breeding them on a ranch to fight and die.
btw. Espn reported that in addition to Vicks Federal Penalty 12-18mo., The state of Virginia intends to file charges as well. There he could get up to 40 years.
Vick is in some deep dog doo doo now!
Again, Bee I never stated the entire breed of Pits were sweet and innocent. I have not ignored the Mountain of stats that you continue to refer to.
All I have stated was that my dogs were not mean, aggressive or psycho. I stated that there have been several pit attacks, but there might have been things that had been done to the dogs to bring out aggressive behavior.
There will never be proof either way, no one is ever going to admit to beating or starving a dog. I know there are bad dogs in every breed. My son was attacked by a poodle. I was bitten by a German Shepherd as a child, but I don't dislike all German Shepherds.
Also while you are looking at the mountain of stats, check out Pit Bulls used as fighting dogs. People who fight dogs illegally do not register them. They do not want any type of paper trail. Most of your fighting dogs are inbred, severely
starved and beating on a regular basis. This I know for sure.
This will be the last post that I have on this subject. No matter what I say, in your eyes I am defending the entire breed and that is not true. I am only defending my dogs and stating no matter what breed a dog is it should never be tortured, starved, beaten or made to fight for its life.
All I have stated was that my dogs were not mean, aggressive or psycho. I stated that there have been several pit attacks, but there might have been things that had been done to the dogs to bring out aggressive behavior.
There will never be proof either way, no one is ever going to admit to beating or starving a dog. I know there are bad dogs in every breed. My son was attacked by a poodle. I was bitten by a German Shepherd as a child, but I don't dislike all German Shepherds.
Also while you are looking at the mountain of stats, check out Pit Bulls used as fighting dogs. People who fight dogs illegally do not register them. They do not want any type of paper trail. Most of your fighting dogs are inbred, severely
starved and beating on a regular basis. This I know for sure.
This will be the last post that I have on this subject. No matter what I say, in your eyes I am defending the entire breed and that is not true. I am only defending my dogs and stating no matter what breed a dog is it should never be tortured, starved, beaten or made to fight for its life.
I was bitten in the face by a Yellow Lab. Been chased by plenty of mutts. They are animals they all bite that's why they have those real big teeth.
There is no way the dogs Vick uses are registered dogs. They breed the same blood over and over. NO one like him is going around to breeders of American Stafforshire terrier and buying quality,registered dogs,to do the things that he does. That would draw to much attention and leave to big of a trail. Bee never says if he thinks it ok to mistreat the animal or not no matter what it is. Then again he never says anything about owning a dog. If he did it must be a watch dog TICK...TICK...TICK.
Yeah, deldad how true.
Thats all I'll say about that ,Forrest.
Yeah, deldad how true.
Thats all I'll say about that ,Forrest.
Yesterday I was watching in youtube.com some fights between "persons"?, without gloves, without rounds, almost "fights to death". Other people were watching and gambling and one of the contenders was let down without sense for at least 30 minutes. You can see the "persons" (more than animals in my oppinion), their faces etc...I believe will be very easy for the police to track this people, because they belong to clubs and they say the city and neighborhood where this is happenning. Believe it or not this is happenning here in the United States, in the same place that Bull's fight, chicken fights, and dog's fights are prohibited and persecuted. I am against all those kind of fights, but some times we care more about animals than human beens.
quote:Originally posted by deldad:
Is there any difference between sticking an arrow in a deer and having it roam around for hours hurt and bleeding or two dogs fighting?
There is a HUGE difference. One is called hunting, and hunting for food is a basic human (and animal) right. The other is for blood sport, and is wrong.
Whether it's dog fighting, bullfighting, or cockfighting, it is plainly wrong. It is also personally abhorent to me, but I'm with Coach May I'm not going to send a guy to prison for doing it. Maybe jail for awhile, but not prison.
There is a certain other football player that killed his wife and he got way more sympathy than Vick, not that that I'm giving him any.
Bum-as I stated earlier maybe the way I presented the hunting argument was less than fair factually thereby no constructively exhibiting the point I was trying to make.
Let's try a different example. Greyhound racing. A legal activity that pits animals in an unnatural competitive situation for our entertainment. The puppies are breed on large farms, with many being euthanized before they even race and the majority of those who do race being euthanized later.
Now the way these greyhounds are disposed of is in no way compared to the sick and vile way that Vick and his cronies killed those dogs, but they are killed none the less. And I also understand that a lot of greyhounds are adopted but that number pales in comparison to those disposed of by lethal injection.
Dogs by nature are social creatures and there is very little affection in these animals lives. Yes the winners are lavished with praise but alot of animals are tested to get to the champs. If they don't measure up then they are killed. Most of these animals are perfectly healthy and they are euthanized just because they can't run fast enough.
And yes I have been to the dog track and yes I have wagered money on the races. So I am not part of the solution but hypocritically I find the dog racing business cruel.
My intent in the example is to see where the lines are drawn and what distinguishes the sides are they moral, legal or philosophical lines that we draw as a society.
Let's try a different example. Greyhound racing. A legal activity that pits animals in an unnatural competitive situation for our entertainment. The puppies are breed on large farms, with many being euthanized before they even race and the majority of those who do race being euthanized later.
Now the way these greyhounds are disposed of is in no way compared to the sick and vile way that Vick and his cronies killed those dogs, but they are killed none the less. And I also understand that a lot of greyhounds are adopted but that number pales in comparison to those disposed of by lethal injection.
Dogs by nature are social creatures and there is very little affection in these animals lives. Yes the winners are lavished with praise but alot of animals are tested to get to the champs. If they don't measure up then they are killed. Most of these animals are perfectly healthy and they are euthanized just because they can't run fast enough.
And yes I have been to the dog track and yes I have wagered money on the races. So I am not part of the solution but hypocritically I find the dog racing business cruel.
My intent in the example is to see where the lines are drawn and what distinguishes the sides are they moral, legal or philosophical lines that we draw as a society.
deldad,
Just a few miles down the road from me is a greyhound track. Business was great and around it popped open an outlet mall, hotels, restaurants, and many other businesses. Then awhile back some animal rights activists staged large protests and it was forced to close its track. It still has simulcast racing but gone are the restaraunts, most of the tenants in the strip mall, etc. A lot of people lost their livelihood and their life savings.
We're getting off the subject somewhat but morality comes in many shapes and forms. Where is the morality in these folks being devasted financially? I agree I don't like the idea of Greyhounds being euthanized but I've got to tell you, some of these animal-rights folks will be up early in the morning to protest chicken beheadings but will be strangely absent when the caskets of fallen soldiers return from Iraq.
God made man in His image. And He put us in charge of the animals. True, we should be humane in their treatment but sometimes I think folks carry it way too far.
Just a few miles down the road from me is a greyhound track. Business was great and around it popped open an outlet mall, hotels, restaurants, and many other businesses. Then awhile back some animal rights activists staged large protests and it was forced to close its track. It still has simulcast racing but gone are the restaraunts, most of the tenants in the strip mall, etc. A lot of people lost their livelihood and their life savings.
We're getting off the subject somewhat but morality comes in many shapes and forms. Where is the morality in these folks being devasted financially? I agree I don't like the idea of Greyhounds being euthanized but I've got to tell you, some of these animal-rights folks will be up early in the morning to protest chicken beheadings but will be strangely absent when the caskets of fallen soldiers return from Iraq.
God made man in His image. And He put us in charge of the animals. True, we should be humane in their treatment but sometimes I think folks carry it way too far.
"registerable" - your mis-conception & quite the opposite ... the reason Vick's situation got all the attention was NOT because of fighting, but because of of the way he (they) disposed of "bad gene pool/loosers" - and I believe I read thats Vick's kennels were licensed breeders.quote:by blm: no way the dogs Vick uses are registered dogs. They breed the same blood over and over
why? ...quote:by blm: NO one like him is going around to breeders of American Stafforshire terrier and buying quality,registered dogs,to do the things that he does
ya saying it would be too expensive for a millionair to aquire championship stock of a "dog breed" bred by experts for 100's of years emphasizing the best traits to bite onto the nose of a 1800# bull & bring him down?
no, it is notquote:by blm: Bee never says if he thinks it ok to mistreat the animal or not no matter what it is
quote:he never says anything about owning a dog. If he did it must be a watch dog TICK...TICK...TICK.
my shoes are in constant peril, & overnite the cats get into alot of mischief knowing that the dog will get blamed -
if I ask her to fetch a ball or stick, she looks at me like I'm from Mars -
she thinks racoons are slow fat cats -
she's clueless as to why the deer don't howl back, wag their tails, & want to play -
after a bath it's a sure thing she'll find something smelly to roll in
Last one for me on the subject, I was just in agreement with tripledads post on registerd dog.
Bee I also agree with you it is the way he disposed of the dogs that really got him in trouble. You said it yourself, BAD GENE POOL, a major problem for that breed of dog because of people like that.
I never said he could not afford to buy registered dogs, it would be doubtful that he would because of the trail it leaves.
You gotta love it when they roll in that somtthing dead or rotten, put on there neck like its some kind of expensive perfume and strut around with pride. Love that Golden Retriever.
Bee I also agree with you it is the way he disposed of the dogs that really got him in trouble. You said it yourself, BAD GENE POOL, a major problem for that breed of dog because of people like that.
I never said he could not afford to buy registered dogs, it would be doubtful that he would because of the trail it leaves.
You gotta love it when they roll in that somtthing dead or rotten, put on there neck like its some kind of expensive perfume and strut around with pride. Love that Golden Retriever.
wait there's more 
murdered NC breeder/fighter linked to Vick's Kennel
my golden could fetch before she was weaned
murdered NC breeder/fighter linked to Vick's Kennel
my golden could fetch before she was weaned
Things are so much different today with pets, than when I was growing up.
Today there are pet parks, pet stores everywhere, pet funeral homes, pet health insurance, and more.
Pets are part of the family, and in most cases peaple will spare no expense to keep them healthy and happy.
When I was growing up there was dog fighting, and peaple didn't think much of it. It was also not unusual to take a dog out, shoot it and bury it in the woods. If the dog was undesirable, sick , unjured, or always in trouble, then it was disposed of. I'm sure not always the case, but not uncommon.
Today is so different and Vick is caught up in the
"love our pet" generation and he is going to pay for it. To make matters worse for him, ahtletes are scrutized now more than ever.
In 1980 I doubt it makes the papers, but this ain't 1980.
Today there are pet parks, pet stores everywhere, pet funeral homes, pet health insurance, and more.
Pets are part of the family, and in most cases peaple will spare no expense to keep them healthy and happy.
When I was growing up there was dog fighting, and peaple didn't think much of it. It was also not unusual to take a dog out, shoot it and bury it in the woods. If the dog was undesirable, sick , unjured, or always in trouble, then it was disposed of. I'm sure not always the case, but not uncommon.
Today is so different and Vick is caught up in the
"love our pet" generation and he is going to pay for it. To make matters worse for him, ahtletes are scrutized now more than ever.
In 1980 I doubt it makes the papers, but this ain't 1980.
Ah yes...the idyllic days of yesteryear...when the mention of 'PETA' brought to mind that cool, funky bread from somewhere in the Middle East...our pets' fortunes were less distinct than they are nowadays...reminds me of a song from a while back...here it is...Vick's Pick o' the week! My sincere apologies to THE AMERICAN BREED for misshaping this one...
"End Me, Shake Me"
You are all the owner I need
And Mikey you know it?
(Know it, know it, know it)
Give this pit bull's tail a tug, c'mon just pull it
(pull it, pull it, pull it)
I'll give you all that I can
You got me snapped on a line
Out in the cold
Paying me no mind
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
Everybody tells me I'm strong
To get beaten so badly
(Badly, badly, badly)
But there's a force driving me beyond
I follow it sadly
(sadly, sadly, sadly)
Cut me in half I don't care
I got nothin' left to my hide
All that I feel is you kickin' my side
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
Yeah, end me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
"End Me, Shake Me"
You are all the owner I need
And Mikey you know it?
(Know it, know it, know it)
Give this pit bull's tail a tug, c'mon just pull it
(pull it, pull it, pull it)
I'll give you all that I can
You got me snapped on a line
Out in the cold
Paying me no mind
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
Everybody tells me I'm strong
To get beaten so badly
(Badly, badly, badly)
But there's a force driving me beyond
I follow it sadly
(sadly, sadly, sadly)
Cut me in half I don't care
I got nothin' left to my hide
All that I feel is you kickin' my side
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
Yeah, end me, shake me
Anyway you want me
Long as you thump me
It's all right
End me, shake me
Anyway you want me
You got the power
To turn off my light
Mr. gotwood4sale, please do not desecrate one of my favorite songs. 
I know that dogs throughout the USA were very unhappy with Vicks insane behavior - but this guy - when told of the charges - was absolutely shocked. Despite the fact that he is a member of the monkey family - he was appalled nonetheless.
Yeah its...I understand the whole family was upset...they're looking to set things straight. You better get ready Vick...they're coming to your town!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0FUvLfxyp0
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She's gonna' come after me for this one too...she loves the Monkees!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0FUvLfxyp0
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She's gonna' come after me for this one too...she loves the Monkees!
loving pets kill mom, maul son attempting rescue - aka, tick - tick - tick
"two full-blooded red-nosed pits, family pets since they were pups .. the dogs were like kids ... loving companions when husband traveled ... they would lay up on the couch with them ... no signs that the dogs were abused"
perhaps a breed known to "maul" a pair of $100 tennis shoes when having a "bad day" would'a lead to a different outcome
"two full-blooded red-nosed pits, family pets since they were pups .. the dogs were like kids ... loving companions when husband traveled ... they would lay up on the couch with them ... no signs that the dogs were abused"
perhaps a breed known to "maul" a pair of $100 tennis shoes when having a "bad day" would'a lead to a different outcome