injured shoulder...destroyed my chance?

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Do you have anything to offer Shp in terms of advice on his question about what he should be doing in the future?

Haven't had any experience with that injury. Again my advice is talk to the doctor who should be a speacialist in the injury.
There is as you know a great body of info on thye net which is what I look at if I want info. Conservative treatment is the approch but if an MRI shows serious issues then I can see that MLB wouldn't waste time.

http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=shoulder+injury&src=IE-SearchBox

TPM I don't answer medical questions as a rule. Non of us except a few doctors that come on here have any real knowledge and they would probably generalise.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
TPM I don't answer medical questions as a rule. Non of us except a few doctors that come on here have any real knowledge and they would probably generalise.

BHD,
You missed the point completely. He has a doctor who ,ost likely give him advice on what to do. He came here asking if colleges would shy away from him because of his shoulder problems.

And unless I am wrong I think that also was the point IND was making. You ignored that one Instead onto overuse, controlling overuse, and having your son's doc talk to elite teams on the issue, what doctors should recommend, but that is really not answering the question he asked, is it?

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Originally posted by shppirate09:
Hi all,

A few days ago I got an MRI on my shoulder. Thursday I received news that I have a torn FLAP, basically meaning that I have torn a ligament(s). I am indefinitely out for the season...now I have to go to a shoulder specialist and see how bad the damage is.

I know I am missing a critical part in the college baseball process, but will colleges shy away because of my shoulder problems..possibly surgery? I appreciate your feedback

Simply ignore the naysayers, get to the Shoulder Specialist and work on "Plan B". Don't allow the Negative Nellies like Rizzi to detour you from your goal.

People read what shp said---in fall he pitched in every game he went to---I take that to be every weekend===how much work did he do during the week in preparation---did he do too little or did he do too much.

The young man has asked questions numerous times previous and in my judgment should know how to take care of his arm---I am not, despite your thinking, putting the young man down. I am asking questions.

In my world, which I have come to find to be much different than yours, being blunt, though it may hurt, is the best way to go. Some of you cannot seem to handle that.


DAD04
Not a naysayer---just asking some tough, rough questions--perhaps others can learn from his mistakes if he made them---you as the dad of a pitcher should know full well that arm injuries just do not happen---there are reasons

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:

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I do not understand what is wrong with loving to play the game, and play as much as possible. And I did say no to my coach plenty of times, but when my coach and teammates wanted me to needed me to help get the team out of opportunities that required perfection, why would I say no?

You just answered TR's question.
Don't take this too personal. But you have to say no. Team player does not mean abusing your body. There is a difference between being a whimp and being smart enough to call it a day when you are done.

I think this post enough sums up what TR was trying to point out. If I was the player, I would have found nothing wrong with what he said at all.

Whipping a puppy with a belt for peeing on the carpet a month ago will hurt, but never make him learn. We'll agree to disagree. Kid, just get your shoulder fixed. You'll have plenty of time to figure out what happened, but it probably won't happen on the internet.

SHP:
your tear is not even close to the end of the world! When they reattach they will use screws (bioabsorbable or metal), they will probably use a double-row technique to allow a good "purchase" of the labrum back in its proper place.

The GREAT thing is that they will shave bone out that doesn't really need to be there giving you more range of motion, keeping more damage from occuring (because the bone naturally actually protrudes down too far and causes injury in a normal person). They will make you better than you were..... Your shoulder will be very strong after the procedure and after the necessary therapy. You will be very sore for a brief period. They will give you great medication to take care of this.

You will be good as new. You will be able to play the game you love with as much aggressiveness as in the past. The SLAP is just a minor set-back.
Please pursue your goals!!!!

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Kid, just get your shoulder fixed. You'll have plenty of time to figure out what happened, but it probably won't happen on the internet.

SHP ... Just don't pee on the carpet again!

Look, I did not come on here to start a war or question why I got hurt. There is no point in questioning history, in my opinion injuries and other obstacles have helped me become a better player and have given me wisdom beyond my years.

I don't want to talk about how I prepared, because if I wanted to talk about that I would not have made a thread named injured shoulder...destroyed my chances? But just so you can know how I prepared, I did pitcher-specific weight training with a highly qualified trainer. I would use the exercises 6 days a week, and would run 1-3 miles a day before beginning my training routine. I don't care if anyone thinks thats too much, because I am not asking if it is..I've already gotten okayed to "do that to myself".

My question was, If I my having shoulder problems and my season is shortened (possibly eliminated) how will colleges react? I am not trying any D1 schools, I know that I am not a D1 prospect..but would D2, D3 and JUCOs shy away?

shp - you got to get your shoulder fixed.

Having an injured anything that keeps you out of games will hurt you in the eyes of college coaches.

Its that simple - you got to get fixed - and then work real hard to get back playing.

Keep your chin up and work hard - I wish you the best.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
People read what shp said---in fall he pitched in every game he went to---I take that to be every weekend===how much work did he do during the week in preparation---did he do too little or did he do too much.

The young man has asked questions numerous times previous and in my judgment should know how to take care of his arm---I am not, despite your thinking, putting the young man down. I am asking questions.

In my world, which I have come to find to be much different than yours, being blunt, though it may hurt, is the best way to go. Some of you cannot seem to handle that.


DAD04
Not a naysayer---just asking some tough, rough questions--perhaps others can learn from his mistakes if he made them---you as the dad of a pitcher should know full well that arm injuries just do not happen---there are reasons

Since you brought it up with Dad 04, why don't you tell us the cause of labral tears and SLAP lesions, and then tell all of us how to prevent those.
If you can criticize and question this young high school player and accuse him of doing this to himself, then give him and all of us the answers on the cause and prevention of SLAP lesions, so no one, from high school, to college, to professional makes the mistake again. You will also be helping the medical community because there is much of it they don't know.
Its, Dad04, thanks for your comments and support.
Shp, this injury will impact getting recruited at a DI level.
If you work hard, get good medical attention, and do the rehab with dedication, there is every reason to believe you can play in college.

infielddad

First of all I am not a doctor and do not not know the cause---HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ME OFFER MEDICAL ADVICE__I ALWAyS RECOMMEND THEY SEE A DOCTOR===that is why I asked the young man about what he did up to the injury

As for SHP and his College outlook---this sure does impact his college future possibilities especially in view of the fact that he not played an inning of HS Varsity baseball to date---sorry to be blunt but the young man had a very steep hill to climb, like it or not

"this being the case why did you do this to yourself"

TR, this is your quote to shp.
You seem now to be trying to hide the insult and your ignorance concerning the cause of the SLAP behind an assertion you were being "blunt."
If you don't offer medical advice, don't ever tell a young man who just learned he has a SLAP lesion that "he did it to himself."
As for the playing issue, that will be decided by how well shp can play the game and recovers from this injury.
Right now there is a senior in college starting at shortstop for one of the better DIII programs. Played hardly an inning in high school, even as a senior.

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And unless I am wrong I think that also was the point IND was making. You ignored that one Instead onto overuse, controlling overuse, and having your son's doc talk to elite teams on the issue, what doctors should recommend, but that is really not answering the question he asked, is it?

If I am not mistaken it depends on how good he is wether coaches will shy away. I know a few guys wo were signed and still under rehab from TJ. Answering that question is stricctly conjecture on our part. Since he is not looking at D1 there may be a chance they would still look at him but who knows. I don't.
Shp ypur history is very important in determining your future even in BB.
How you prepared is also extremely important.
You say this injury destroyed your chances. No it didn't. If you continue to feel sorry for yourself maybe you did. You didn't ask you stated that the injury destroyed your chances.
My advice is follow your docs advivce and if sergury is inorder get it done and work hard to get back on the mound.

BHD,
Nice post.
Very good thoughts on being prepared mentally and physically going forward..
Thanks.

infielddad

You insults continue to make me think you have a very serious problem

But then you are in the state where the GOV reportedly goes to work every day in a private jet (did he lose his drivers license)and to ease the budget problems will try to release
25,000 inmates early so as to save money-- Just got to like the thinking on the "left out coast"---OUCH


Taking that into consideration I guess you don't have a problem

Texas, Cali, Florida.....when all else fails, simply tell the poster he is in strange part of the world. Well said, indeed.

TR,
A high school player comes on this site asking for input on what a recent diagnosis of a labrum tear/SLAP lesion might mean for his playing college baseball.
You respond: "this being the case why did you do this to yourself"

shp asked for assistance and you blamed him for the SLAP tear, as I posted above.
Don't you think the measure of a responsible poster on this site, a solid citizen, good adult, and quality coach is whether they can understand, and accept responsibility, when they make a mistake?
This isn't between us.
This is your choosing to accuse a high school player of causing his own injury.
The ball is in your court on whether you feel accusing a high school player of causing his SLAP lesion was a responsible way for a "Coach" to respond.
All of your attempting to bluster and to try and change the topic won't because it is very clear and the choice is yours.

Stay Positive Kid! Have your folks do some homework and find out who the very BEST "Shoulder Doc" in or out of your area. Get a second opinion. Remember that you are young and motivated...so you will heal!
My son's an 2009 too...I'll keep you in my prayers

Hang in there--everything will work out and you'll be stronger for it!