injured shoulder...destroyed my chance?

SP09...I certainly am not one to give you advice on this one, and I'm sure someone qualified will be along momentarily that can. But I did want to ask you a couple of questions. What year are you in, and what do you think happened to cause the damage to your shoulder?

I am a junior (class of 2009). Have SLAP tear (misspelled in prior post)

If anything I would say that overuse last year caused this. The doctor made it a point to say that this injury was a result of how many times I must have thrown the ball and that mechanics were not to blame. Just to give an idea of how much I threw, there was a stretch of 3 games in 4 days where I threw in all 3 games..2 were 5+ inning appearances. Then Fall came around and I pitched in every game I came to. I'm pretty sure fall ball is what pushed me over the edge.

shp

From your posts you sound like a rather intelligent young man---this being the case why did you do this to yourself---you did not play HS ball last spring correct? Could this inactivity been a contributing factor in the arm situation?

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I know I am missing a critical part in the college baseball process, but will colleges shy away because of my shoulder problems..possibly surgery?

Yes. But if you can rehabilitate yourself to play senior year there will still be some late opportunities.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
shp

From your posts you sound like a rather intelligent young man---this being the case why did you do this to yourself---you did not play HS ball last spring correct? Could this inactivity been a contributing factor in the arm situation?

Why are posts like this tolerated? This is beyond any limits of how a high school player seeking advice should be treated. This is wrong!
SHP,
The causes of SLAP lesions are not completely known.
One clear cut cause is a direct fall onto the shoulder where there is a subluxation, separation and/or disclocation of the shoulder. The thought is the lesion/tear occurs then and gets aggravated by overhead, over the shoulder activities like throwing a baseball.
No one knows why they become symptomatic when they do but please be assured you do NOT need to answer TRhit on this. He is ill informed and isn't in any position to judge.
He is an adult who should know better and had no right to suggest you did this to yourself or what any contributing cause might be. It is likely even your doctor won't know.
With that said, you should optimize every chance of a good result from surgery, if that should be the best option.
Get involved in PT, on a presciption from your doctor. Try and use a therapist who does shoulders with baseball players.
Heading into the surgery, whether you need it or not, you want the best range of motion you can have combined with the best level of strength.
If you have the surgery at this point, and have a good rehab/PT/throwing rehab, you should be ready in about 6 months. That will give you your senior year to play/showcase and communicate with coaches.
To find out more, you can Google "SLAP" lesions or tears and see the options for care and the results.
Best advice is to take care of that shoulder and get well and ready to play.
When you can play, the baseball and college can then become your focus.
Please let me know if I can answer any questions along the way and please do not let TR intimidate or embarrass you as he did here. He is in the wrong and owes you an apology.

Infield your post is good but I think TRs question is legite if not a little blunt. This young pitcher has to control his use. If he feels he is over used then he should tell his coach that he isn;t ready. I know they all want the ball but isn't it really a shame these kids are not aware and taught to say no.
I once offered to get my son's doctor to talk to one of his elite teams. I was amazed that they didn't take up the offer. TR seems to be the kind of coach who cares about his players and if a player said he was done would respect that. I thought his question was a good one.
Even with an educated player injuries still occure and it is the nature of over shoulder activity. Most occupations where you are working over head have a susceptability to this type of injury.

Infielddad- I have been looking on Google since I learned Thursday, the day before tryouts, for any information possible. You're right that the doctors don't really know why it happens, all I had been told was the repetitive motion and the violent nature of throwing caused this. I am not sure which route will be taken as I have to go to a shoulder specialist before knowing the full extent of the damage. I know you said not to dignify TR with a response, but I could not help myself.

TRhit- It's bad enough that I worked all off season in hopes of being at peak performance, and being told I was posed for a breakout year only to learn that I CAN'T PLAY FOR AT LEAST 5 MONTHS! Yes, I was cut from SHP last spring (then the #1 team in the country), you know that from prior posts. I transferred to another school where I became the ace of the JV team and proceeded to lead my team in most, if not all, pitching statistical categories. In the summer I carried my team through the Junior Legion County Tournament and was recognized with the tournament's MVP award. So last year I was FAR from inactive.

I do not appreciate your condescending attitude towards my intelligence much more then towards my injury. Why is it when I post you seem to feel the need to try and belittle the intelligence, playing ability, and comprehension of the situations of a high school player looking for help and insight on the game, and more the process of getting to the next level of the game?

BHD,
A young man learns he has a SLAP tear, which doctors have a hard time diagnosing and even a harder time treating, and it is okay to ask him "Why did you do this to yourself?"
Even now, many doctors will tell you it isn't due to throwing, it is due to trauma of the type we see in football from falling directly onto the shoulder.
I assume you and TR can tell me what this young man could have done to prevent a SLAP lesion, since you know the cause? Please tell Shp what he could/should have done differently and please also tell us the cause.
I don't think I can say anything other than say shp deserves far better from this site.
If this is the best we can do for high school players in need of assistance, we should all wonder whether there is truly a need for this site any longer.

You are right about the injury. There was a poster a coupl months ago whos son injured himself by falling on his shoulder in FB.
TR is asking how can you allow yourdelf to be over used.
He asked it bluntly but that is TR. The question itself is a good one.

If the question is a good one, then please tell us the cause of this young man's labral tear/SLAP lesion.
And...before you do this, let me also tell you the standard practice of doctors and baseball specific trainers in MLB is to tell players they can play with a SLAP lesion without the throwing making it worse.
The question is only valid if "YOU" know the cause, so please, step right up.
TR did not ask how you could allow your self to be overused. Tr said you did this to your self and suggested "inactivity" by Shp to be the cause.
His post is clear!
So, please tell us the cause and I will back off.

Why am I under attack and being questioned?

if by "doing this to yourself" means playing baseball, then yes by all means I did it to myself.

I do not understand what is wrong with loving to play the game, and play as much as possible. And I did say no to my coach plenty of times, but when my coach and teammates wanted me to needed me to help get the team out of opportunities that required perfection, why would I say no? I think of myself as a team player, all I want to do is contribute to the team as best I can.

Learning I had a SLAP tear was hard, watching my teammates tryout and knowing I was physically incapable of doing anything was harder, getting these kind of responses from TR and Bobbleheaddoll when I am just looking for some help is brutal.

If this guy googles shoulder injury he will get enough reading to do him for a month.
I like you do not know the cause of his injury but I like you know what the doctors recommend.
Consevative treatment is the usual recommendation. Stretching and anti inflamatory drugs and yes to keep thyrowing. Is that right, well I don't have a definitive answer.
When my son had a shoulder issue last year after summer collegiate ball we thought it might be a labrum problem . I belive it was the result of poor conditioning. We followed the advice of doctor and trainer. Trainer thought it was a strained bicep ligament. The consevative approach worked and he is now 100%. Do we know wht it was for sure ? No and we probably never will.

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I do not understand what is wrong with loving to play the game, and play as much as possible. And I did say no to my coach plenty of times, but when my coach and teammates wanted me to needed me to help get the team out of opportunities that required perfection, why would I say no?

You just answered TR's question.
Don't take this too personal. But you have to say no. Team player does not mean abusing your body. There is a difference between being a whimp and being smart enough to call it a day when you are done.

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Originally posted by shppirate09:
Why am I under attack and being questioned?

if by "doing this to yourself" means playing baseball, then yes by all means I did it to myself.

I do not understand what is wrong with loving to play the game, and play as much as possible. And I did say no to my coach plenty of times, but when my coach and teammates wanted me to needed me to help get the team out of opportunities that required perfection, why would I say no? I think of myself as a team player, all I want to do is contribute to the team as best I can.

Learning I had a SLAP tear was hard, watching my teammates tryout and knowing I was physically incapable of doing anything was harder, getting these kind of responses from TR and Bobbleheaddoll when I am just looking for some help is brutal.

You are not being under attack, don't worry. Funny he tells one to relax and stop being the mother hen of the HSBBW, yet feels he has the right to make others feel badly with some of his posts, especially a young player who comes looking to discuss his situation.

I'd like to see TR give advice instead of putting others down without knowing the situation or what caused it exactly (your doctor is most likely assuming with the info you gave him). I agree with INF, there is no reason for it.

And again BHD compares your injury to his son's one time situation. Typical.

Why do players overuse themselves? There are many reasons. Sometimes players move from team to team and they or their parents are unaware of what overuse can bring and coaches are unaware of previous workload. It happens. It doesn't mean you are not intelligent.

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And again BHD compares your injury to his son's one time situation. Typical.

What is typical is your reaction. My researh was based on his minor pain in his shoulder and I believe I was asked by INF. You can only comment on what your expeiences are so if my experiences are limited well too bad.

The advice was given by 2 competent sources plus my internet research.

You have been called worse than board hen.

You wish you had TRs knowledge.

BHD,
You support TR asking this young man "why" he "did it to himself" and was it inactivity.
However, you then post you don't know the cause, you need to not overdue it, and you need to take care of yourself.
This is the ultimate in the "Monday" morning quarterback with a young man who is mentally having to come to grips with some significant medical news, while also trying to get information on what it means for college baseball.
You and TR come on with "you should have done something" different.
Again, what specifically should he have done differently?
Otherwise, you and TR both owe this young man an apology and let's help him moving forward, not doing your great look in the rear view mirror.
Oh, and by the way, doctor's don't have a standard approach.
One of our son's teammates was in Fall Instrux. Felt a twinge and pain in his first inning on a Monday. On Tuesday, he had an MRI.
On Thursday, he had surgery, just before our son, who was told he could play a full season.
The only thing consistent about Labrum injuries and treatment is it appears inconsistent.
Neither your nor TR offered this young man coming here a single piece of useful advice for his questions about the future.
Neither you nor TR did anything but be judgmental about the past. All that is your right.
Supporting someone saying "he did this to himself" is a sad commentary for a high school player relying on adults for some guidance.

INF there are 2 issues. One is the apparent over use and the other is the labrum. I don't know how to be much clearer about the labrum. I agree that we don't know what caused it.\ The other isuue is that he allowed himself to be over used and admitted he couldn't say no. TR doesn't no what caused the injury either but I see his question as geared to the players inability to control his situation.
Two separate issues completely. I don't believe I was hard on the young pitcher and I understand what he is going through.
So what you want is a sugar coated answer when it is his Doctors advice that counts in regards to his injury.
My advice is follow your doctors advice.

Thank you for answering neither you nor TR know what caused the SLAP.
Can we agree then he "didn't do this too himself?"
Do you have anything to offer Shp in terms of advice on his question about what he should be doing in the future?

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Originally posted by shppirate09:

I know I am missing a critical part in the college baseball process, but will colleges shy away because of my shoulder problems..possibly surgery? I appreciate your feedback

I wanted to quote this unless anyone missed it.

BHD,
True, I might know less than you or TR, but I do try REAL hard to answer questions and have some compassion.

If I am worse than a mother hen for that I have no issue with that at all.

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Do you have anything to offer Shp in terms of advice on his question about what he should be doing in the future?

Haven't had any experience with that injury. Again my advice is talk to the doctor who should be a speacialist in the injury.
There is as you know a great body of info on thye net which is what I look at if I want info. Conservative treatment is the approch but if an MRI shows serious issues then I can see that MLB wouldn't waste time.

http://www.orthoassociates.com/shoulder1.htm

http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=shoulder+injury&src=IE-SearchBox

TPM I don't answer medical questions as a rule. Non of us except a few doctors that come on here have any real knowledge and they would probably generalise.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
TPM I don't answer medical questions as a rule. Non of us except a few doctors that come on here have any real knowledge and they would probably generalise.

BHD,
You missed the point completely. He has a doctor who ,ost likely give him advice on what to do. He came here asking if colleges would shy away from him because of his shoulder problems.

And unless I am wrong I think that also was the point IND was making. You ignored that one Instead onto overuse, controlling overuse, and having your son's doc talk to elite teams on the issue, what doctors should recommend, but that is really not answering the question he asked, is it?

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Originally posted by shppirate09:
Hi all,

A few days ago I got an MRI on my shoulder. Thursday I received news that I have a torn FLAP, basically meaning that I have torn a ligament(s). I am indefinitely out for the season...now I have to go to a shoulder specialist and see how bad the damage is.

I know I am missing a critical part in the college baseball process, but will colleges shy away because of my shoulder problems..possibly surgery? I appreciate your feedback

Simply ignore the naysayers, get to the Shoulder Specialist and work on "Plan B". Don't allow the Negative Nellies like Rizzi to detour you from your goal.

People read what shp said---in fall he pitched in every game he went to---I take that to be every weekend===how much work did he do during the week in preparation---did he do too little or did he do too much.

The young man has asked questions numerous times previous and in my judgment should know how to take care of his arm---I am not, despite your thinking, putting the young man down. I am asking questions.

In my world, which I have come to find to be much different than yours, being blunt, though it may hurt, is the best way to go. Some of you cannot seem to handle that.


DAD04
Not a naysayer---just asking some tough, rough questions--perhaps others can learn from his mistakes if he made them---you as the dad of a pitcher should know full well that arm injuries just do not happen---there are reasons

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:

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I do not understand what is wrong with loving to play the game, and play as much as possible. And I did say no to my coach plenty of times, but when my coach and teammates wanted me to needed me to help get the team out of opportunities that required perfection, why would I say no?

You just answered TR's question.
Don't take this too personal. But you have to say no. Team player does not mean abusing your body. There is a difference between being a whimp and being smart enough to call it a day when you are done.

I think this post enough sums up what TR was trying to point out. If I was the player, I would have found nothing wrong with what he said at all.

Whipping a puppy with a belt for peeing on the carpet a month ago will hurt, but never make him learn. We'll agree to disagree. Kid, just get your shoulder fixed. You'll have plenty of time to figure out what happened, but it probably won't happen on the internet.

SHP:
your tear is not even close to the end of the world! When they reattach they will use screws (bioabsorbable or metal), they will probably use a double-row technique to allow a good "purchase" of the labrum back in its proper place.

The GREAT thing is that they will shave bone out that doesn't really need to be there giving you more range of motion, keeping more damage from occuring (because the bone naturally actually protrudes down too far and causes injury in a normal person). They will make you better than you were..... Your shoulder will be very strong after the procedure and after the necessary therapy. You will be very sore for a brief period. They will give you great medication to take care of this.

You will be good as new. You will be able to play the game you love with as much aggressiveness as in the past. The SLAP is just a minor set-back.
Please pursue your goals!!!!

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Kid, just get your shoulder fixed. You'll have plenty of time to figure out what happened, but it probably won't happen on the internet.

SHP ... Just don't pee on the carpet again!

Look, I did not come on here to start a war or question why I got hurt. There is no point in questioning history, in my opinion injuries and other obstacles have helped me become a better player and have given me wisdom beyond my years.

I don't want to talk about how I prepared, because if I wanted to talk about that I would not have made a thread named injured shoulder...destroyed my chances? But just so you can know how I prepared, I did pitcher-specific weight training with a highly qualified trainer. I would use the exercises 6 days a week, and would run 1-3 miles a day before beginning my training routine. I don't care if anyone thinks thats too much, because I am not asking if it is..I've already gotten okayed to "do that to myself".

My question was, If I my having shoulder problems and my season is shortened (possibly eliminated) how will colleges react? I am not trying any D1 schools, I know that I am not a D1 prospect..but would D2, D3 and JUCOs shy away?

shp - you got to get your shoulder fixed.

Having an injured anything that keeps you out of games will hurt you in the eyes of college coaches.

Its that simple - you got to get fixed - and then work real hard to get back playing.

Keep your chin up and work hard - I wish you the best.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
People read what shp said---in fall he pitched in every game he went to---I take that to be every weekend===how much work did he do during the week in preparation---did he do too little or did he do too much.

The young man has asked questions numerous times previous and in my judgment should know how to take care of his arm---I am not, despite your thinking, putting the young man down. I am asking questions.

In my world, which I have come to find to be much different than yours, being blunt, though it may hurt, is the best way to go. Some of you cannot seem to handle that.


DAD04
Not a naysayer---just asking some tough, rough questions--perhaps others can learn from his mistakes if he made them---you as the dad of a pitcher should know full well that arm injuries just do not happen---there are reasons

Since you brought it up with Dad 04, why don't you tell us the cause of labral tears and SLAP lesions, and then tell all of us how to prevent those.
If you can criticize and question this young high school player and accuse him of doing this to himself, then give him and all of us the answers on the cause and prevention of SLAP lesions, so no one, from high school, to college, to professional makes the mistake again. You will also be helping the medical community because there is much of it they don't know.
Its, Dad04, thanks for your comments and support.
Shp, this injury will impact getting recruited at a DI level.
If you work hard, get good medical attention, and do the rehab with dedication, there is every reason to believe you can play in college.

infielddad

First of all I am not a doctor and do not not know the cause---HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ME OFFER MEDICAL ADVICE__I ALWAyS RECOMMEND THEY SEE A DOCTOR===that is why I asked the young man about what he did up to the injury

As for SHP and his College outlook---this sure does impact his college future possibilities especially in view of the fact that he not played an inning of HS Varsity baseball to date---sorry to be blunt but the young man had a very steep hill to climb, like it or not

"this being the case why did you do this to yourself"

TR, this is your quote to shp.
You seem now to be trying to hide the insult and your ignorance concerning the cause of the SLAP behind an assertion you were being "blunt."
If you don't offer medical advice, don't ever tell a young man who just learned he has a SLAP lesion that "he did it to himself."
As for the playing issue, that will be decided by how well shp can play the game and recovers from this injury.
Right now there is a senior in college starting at shortstop for one of the better DIII programs. Played hardly an inning in high school, even as a senior.

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And unless I am wrong I think that also was the point IND was making. You ignored that one Instead onto overuse, controlling overuse, and having your son's doc talk to elite teams on the issue, what doctors should recommend, but that is really not answering the question he asked, is it?

If I am not mistaken it depends on how good he is wether coaches will shy away. I know a few guys wo were signed and still under rehab from TJ. Answering that question is stricctly conjecture on our part. Since he is not looking at D1 there may be a chance they would still look at him but who knows. I don't.
Shp ypur history is very important in determining your future even in BB.
How you prepared is also extremely important.
You say this injury destroyed your chances. No it didn't. If you continue to feel sorry for yourself maybe you did. You didn't ask you stated that the injury destroyed your chances.
My advice is follow your docs advivce and if sergury is inorder get it done and work hard to get back on the mound.

BHD,
Nice post.
Very good thoughts on being prepared mentally and physically going forward..
Thanks.

infielddad

You insults continue to make me think you have a very serious problem

But then you are in the state where the GOV reportedly goes to work every day in a private jet (did he lose his drivers license)and to ease the budget problems will try to release
25,000 inmates early so as to save money-- Just got to like the thinking on the "left out coast"---OUCH


Taking that into consideration I guess you don't have a problem

Texas, Cali, Florida.....when all else fails, simply tell the poster he is in strange part of the world. Well said, indeed.

TR,
A high school player comes on this site asking for input on what a recent diagnosis of a labrum tear/SLAP lesion might mean for his playing college baseball.
You respond: "this being the case why did you do this to yourself"

shp asked for assistance and you blamed him for the SLAP tear, as I posted above.
Don't you think the measure of a responsible poster on this site, a solid citizen, good adult, and quality coach is whether they can understand, and accept responsibility, when they make a mistake?
This isn't between us.
This is your choosing to accuse a high school player of causing his own injury.
The ball is in your court on whether you feel accusing a high school player of causing his SLAP lesion was a responsible way for a "Coach" to respond.
All of your attempting to bluster and to try and change the topic won't because it is very clear and the choice is yours.

Stay Positive Kid! Have your folks do some homework and find out who the very BEST "Shoulder Doc" in or out of your area. Get a second opinion. Remember that you are young and motivated...so you will heal!
My son's an 2009 too...I'll keep you in my prayers

Hang in there--everything will work out and you'll be stronger for it!