Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with. 
Sorry to hear the news mrbumstead. Like I said earlier in this post, I think it mostly comes down to genetics. Obviously, your son was even more conservative than the recommendations and it still happened. When that level of force hits the UCL, it's going to go. For some people it's less than others.
Hopefully your son will heal up and be better than new. I hope he has a smooth and successful recovery.
SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
He's already planning to have the scar tattooed with baseball stitches.
bballman posted:.... Like I said earlier in this post, I think it mostly comes down to genetics...
Based on our experience, I tend to agree with you. I think a big part of that is how the bones, muscles and connective tissue develop in relation to each other.
SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
How is your Kids rehab doing? will he be able to pitch again next season?
Dominik85 posted:SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
How is your Kids rehab doing? will he be able to pitch again next season?
He relieved in summer ball, threw well, and felt good. Fall ball is next with his new coach. Crossing fingers.
SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
This is the problem I have with the so called epidemic. It's not some life changing event. Get it fixed rehab and move on. It's simply a risk. Manage the risk. The whole sky is falling in on baseball seems way over the top.
real green posted:SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
This is the problem I have with the so called epidemic. It's not some life changing event. Get it fixed rehab and move on. It's simply a risk. Manage the risk. The whole sky is falling in on baseball seems way over the top.
It is not the end of the world but missing 18 months of your Baseball career is a pretty life changing Event that can end a career if it happens at the wrong time. if there would be a way to avoid it (not sure there is one- thus the thread title) everyone would love to do it.
Real Green. Nope not sky is falling but obviously you have never had your kid hurt. Anytime a young person has to have surgery it is a big deal
I'll add on, when a large percentage (not sure of number exactly) of any individual group seems to be having the same issue, it is something that is a worry. TJ or surgery in general on pitchers / players has increased significantly over the years.
Some years ago it became law to wear a seat belt in a car. Why? Because the cars became faster and therefore more accidents (though very small % compared to amount people drive daily) and more injuries and of greater significance. A very small percentage of those driving daily really need it, but because of great data of the prevention of injury and death for those that were involved in an accident, it is now law. That is a great thing.
Although in a MUCH smaller and less catastrophic case, There are certainly more injuries and more significant ones to pitchers specifically and ball players in general over time. The increase research thru data, hopefully, over time the injuries to pitchers / players
I will echo some of the above. It is not the end of the world but it changes life, can crush dreams, etc. We normally hear about the success stories or at the semi-success stories. When TJ doesn't work, then those are not as well publicized. And those parents have a tendency to disappear from this website. I imagine that it just too painful to read.
RFF
chefmike7777 posted:Real Green. Nope not sky is falling but obviously you have never had your kid hurt. Anytime a young person has to have surgery it is a big deal
My youngest was born with a club foot. Has had four surgeries cutting and replacing tendons in the ankle and foot. In my opinion it wasn't that big of a deal. My wife may feel different.
real green posted:SultanofSwat posted:Dr Cain is awesome. You're in good hands. It's just a year and your kid will be back at it again. He'll have a cool scar to impress the girls with.
This is the problem I have with the so called epidemic. It's not some life changing event. Get it fixed rehab and move on. It's simply a risk. Manage the risk. The whole sky is falling in on baseball seems way over the top.
Let's see...
My son won't be able to play baseball next spring/summer for the first time since 2001. That's all but 3 of the baseball seasons he's lived through, and he wasn't potty-trained yet for 2 of those 3.
He's going to spend the next 18 months in rehabilitation. (And unless you've had to rehab a joint after reconstructive surgery you really don't know how bad that sucks, mentally and physically.) By the time he is finished, that 18 months will constitute almost 8% of his entire life.
He's going to spend his first few weeks of college not only adjusting to college-level course work, being away from home for the first time, living with people he's just met, etc., but also having to do practically everything left-handed. Try brushing your teeth or wiping your rear with your off hand.
It's not permanent - he will gradually get back to normal. But it is life-changing, especially to an 18-year-old.
real green posted:chefmike7777 posted:Real Green. Nope not sky is falling but obviously you have never had your kid hurt. Anytime a young person has to have surgery it is a big deal
My youngest was born with a club foot. Has had four surgeries cutting and replacing tendons in the ankle and foot. In my opinion it wasn't that big of a deal. My wife may feel different.
glad son is ok with everything. I guess to each their own on what is a big deal. I can understand and respect that
Baseball is a physical sport with risk. A large percentage of x MiLB players I know left the dream injured. Actually, I can only think of one that just hung them up on his own accord. That is ONE of many reasons it is so difficult to make it to the show. When the choice is taken out of your hands, I am sure it is hard. The reality is, for most, that the road was coming to an end soon whether injured or not.
I mean no disrespect to those going through TJ with their kids. I am sure it is a significant event that I hope not to experience. Five years down the road, 99.99% of players that have TJ will have zero impact to where they are in life and what they can do. That is what I mean when I say it is not a life changing event.
Mitigate and accept the risk.
real green posted:Baseball is a physical sport with risk. A large percentage of x MiLB players I know left the dream injured. Actually, I can only think of one that just hung them up on his own accord. That is ONE of many reasons it is so difficult to make it to the show. When the choice is taken out of your hands, I am sure it is hard. The reality is, for most, that the road was coming to an end soon whether injured or not.
I mean no disrespect to those going through TJ with their kids. I am sure it is a significant event that I hope not to experience. Five years down the road, 99.99% of players that have TJ will have zero impact to where they are in life and what they can do. That is what I mean when I say it is not a life changing event.
Mitigate and accept the risk.
I got where you were coming from. I think some took it as a rather cavalier attitude from your post. I'm with you as far as this - TJ surgery is a significant event and does affect a young athlete tremendously. Where I have a problem is when people start equating the risk associated with pitch count elevation and overuse to child abuse. If you've dealt with child abuse, such claims ought to make your skin crawl. Of course it's extremely devastating to a pitcher, but in the grand scheme of things it's an injury that, outside of a baseball career, is minor, health-wise. Most such injuries, if they happened to non-athletes, would go entirely untreated. However, if it happens to my kid (a very real possibility) then I'm not going to think it's no big deal.
MrBumstead posted:He's going to spend the next 18 months in rehabilitation.
You have been misinformed
SultanofSwat posted:MrBumstead posted:He's going to spend the next 18 months in rehabilitation.
You have been misinformed
Quite possibly. But that's the most conservative number I've seen, and that's when the 2018 season starts. So that's what I went with.
SultanofSwat posted:MrBumstead posted:He's going to spend the next 18 months in rehabilitation.
You have been misinformed
I think until real game action 18 months is quite normal, isn't it? Of course you can throw well before that but most MLB players that get hurt in May don't come back next May. You not only need to rehab but also get back arm strength and accuracy.
what is the average number of days in MLB?
I saw on Twitter that Roger Clemens' son, Kody, is having TJ surgery.
Also, Seth Maness of Cardinals is too.
RedFishFool posted:I saw on Twitter that Roger Clemens' son, Kody, is having TJ surgery.
Also, Seth Maness of Cardinals is too.
I think eventually the same for Rosenthal.
Unfortunately for the Cards, I agree.
3and2Fastball posted:…Question: what were his pitch counts like when he was younger? From age 10-13 did he pitch a lot? Did he throw more than 80 pitches in an outing several times a season between ages 12-14?
Those are great questions, and if they could be answered accurately for every pitcher we’d be a lot closer to real answers about the problem than we are now. Unfortunately, not many people have that information and like MRBUMSTEAD rely on memory, and memory has been proven over and over to be unreliable. 
Stats4Gnats posted:3and2Fastball posted:…Question: what were his pitch counts like when he was younger? From age 10-13 did he pitch a lot? Did he throw more than 80 pitches in an outing several times a season between ages 12-14?
Those are great questions, and if they could be answered accurately for every pitcher we’d be a lot closer to real answers about the problem than we are now. Unfortunately, not many people have that information and like MRBUMSTEAD rely on memory, and memory has been proven over and over to be unreliable.
Correlation does not imply causation.
