RAMROD
Who said he hit the player!!!
Nobody knows what really happened least of all any of us
Dont preach the holier than thou stuff when you do not have the facts
Perhaps the old ways are needed--for some reason I like them and respect them
Orlando:
All things considered, I think National Non Sequitur Day coincides with Canada's Boxing Day...it's a NAFTA thing.
If it's good enough for the Canuck's to box all day long on their special day it illogically follows that we should be able to do the same down here in the States...at least our legislators think so!
quote:Originally posted by Orlando:
I am always missing the annoncement of National Non Sequitur Day.
All things considered, I think National Non Sequitur Day coincides with Canada's Boxing Day...it's a NAFTA thing.
If it's good enough for the Canuck's to box all day long on their special day it illogically follows that we should be able to do the same down here in the States...at least our legislators think so!
Coach is old School, Nothing Wrong with That.
Player is New School, Nothing Wrong with That.
It's all about respect.
Give respect.
Receive Respect.
I Imagine that this Coach and this Player, May become very good friend's in the Future.
Time will Tell. the EH
Player is New School, Nothing Wrong with That.
It's all about respect.
Give respect.
Receive Respect.
I Imagine that this Coach and this Player, May become very good friend's in the Future.
Time will Tell. the EH
Don't know any of the folks involved. But:
If a coach goes after my kid, I'd want to know what happened and why in a heartbeat. I'd be calling the coach and, if he didn't give me enough detail, I'd be calling his superiors until I got that information. Whether or not I'd pursue it further would depend on what I found out.
I can imagine a scenario where the coach should have not just grabbed him, but decked him. I can also imagine a scenario where the coach should be fired for what happened in this case.
Our duties as parents are to keep our distance. But if there is any major happening regarding our son (injury, confrontation, suspension), I expect the coach to answer my questions IF I call. If he doesn't, I'll be dealing with his superiors soon enough.
If a coach goes after my kid, I'd want to know what happened and why in a heartbeat. I'd be calling the coach and, if he didn't give me enough detail, I'd be calling his superiors until I got that information. Whether or not I'd pursue it further would depend on what I found out.
I can imagine a scenario where the coach should have not just grabbed him, but decked him. I can also imagine a scenario where the coach should be fired for what happened in this case.
Our duties as parents are to keep our distance. But if there is any major happening regarding our son (injury, confrontation, suspension), I expect the coach to answer my questions IF I call. If he doesn't, I'll be dealing with his superiors soon enough.
That is way over his head.quote:Originally posted by Orlando:
I am always missing the annoncement of National Non Sequitur Day.
I can picture some of you walking in tho the bosses office at your sons first job and complaining that your son is being abused because he is overworked.
In many jurisdictions the actions as reported by the Orlando Sentinel can be classified as an assault, and is a prosecutable offense. Not at all like being 'overworked' in your job. Your analogies need some work.
DBG
I know full well what assault is !
As for you telling me what I should do or not do--look in the mirror first pal--
What makes you think you are any more smarter than I am--I never professed to be a genius-- we are expressing opinions here and with that in mind I do not need you trying to teach me somehting
I am very careful who I learn things from and I do not see your name on the list of approved teachers
I know full well what assault is !
As for you telling me what I should do or not do--look in the mirror first pal--
What makes you think you are any more smarter than I am--I never professed to be a genius-- we are expressing opinions here and with that in mind I do not need you trying to teach me somehting
I am very careful who I learn things from and I do not see your name on the list of approved teachers
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Orlando
Why are they calling MOMMY ???
The kid is in college and growing up, hopefully!
TR
They are not growing up in college, they are "transitioning" into manhood. Remember that's not what they get to do in pro baseball.
18 is no longer adult unless the kid wants it that way.
wvmtner
You call it what you want but in college it is time for young men to learn to stand on their own two feet
You call it what you want but in college it is time for young men to learn to stand on their own two feet
While studying analogies work on your reading comprehension also. (There, I just told you to do something). Where in my previous post did I tell you what to do?
I like who I see in the mirror, though I bear too strong a resemblance to my father at this same age.
I like who I see in the mirror, though I bear too strong a resemblance to my father at this same age.
You can defend the coach all you would like to. The bottom line is that the coach chose not to defend himself and did not dispute the account. Saying we don't now what happened is not pertinent. Deed is done, coach suspended.
I have met both. I know the answer! lol
quote:What makes you think you are any more smarter than I am
I have met both. I know the answer! lol
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
What makes you think you are any more smarter than I am
Well, I enjoyed the irony.
The coach is or should be the adult in this situation. He holds the ultimate power - controls the kids playing time and scholarship.
He lost control by any definition - he abused that power by being physical. If a player gets physical with a coach he's done in most cases and labeled permanently as a "problem guy". Coach is lucky he wasn't fired & arrested.
Parents would have to not care to not get involved here. If the guy who controls your kids pt, scholarship, and potentially his reputation & happiness is angry enough at him to assault him and has no history of this behavior you'd better be concerned. This isn't a senior playing out the last 5 weeks of his career - he may be dealing with this coach for 3 or more years. You'd better make sure things are cleared up and there's a clean slate with no residual anger.
Coach denied nothing and if he was in the right here would never allow this to go public and smear an otherwise solid career. Lots of players indiscretions are overlooked or downplayed and in this case it appears coach was the benefactor of a.d. giving him a second chance.
He lost control by any definition - he abused that power by being physical. If a player gets physical with a coach he's done in most cases and labeled permanently as a "problem guy". Coach is lucky he wasn't fired & arrested.
Parents would have to not care to not get involved here. If the guy who controls your kids pt, scholarship, and potentially his reputation & happiness is angry enough at him to assault him and has no history of this behavior you'd better be concerned. This isn't a senior playing out the last 5 weeks of his career - he may be dealing with this coach for 3 or more years. You'd better make sure things are cleared up and there's a clean slate with no residual anger.
Coach denied nothing and if he was in the right here would never allow this to go public and smear an otherwise solid career. Lots of players indiscretions are overlooked or downplayed and in this case it appears coach was the benefactor of a.d. giving him a second chance.
denisr400 ...
Yeah ... what you said !!!
Orlando ...
Ah, irony ... the more subtler kind of humor.
Yeah ... what you said !!!
Orlando ...
Ah, irony ... the more subtler kind of humor.
FBM ---- 
my son, a college sr hasn't been a "kid" in a maaany yrs - -quote:by OVaMan: If a coach goes after my kid, I'd want to know what happened and why in a heartbeat
at 17 yrs old my Dad, & some of his brothers & sisters were on the Pacific Front
hands on coaching my friend, the guy has a great history with his playersquote:by Dennis: He lost control by any definition - he abused that power by being physical . . assault . . arrest . . yada . yada
TRHit - A VOICE OF REASON!!
ps - by BigHit "Deed is done, coach suspended"
c'mon - he got his knuckes slapped for effect, there's a harsher penalty for bumping an ump
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quote:I have met both. I know the answer! lol
I have met neither and I too know the answer.
One thing you can count on with the HSBBWEB...you can find thought provoking comments, light hearted comments, and idiotic comments, all wrapped up in the same thread.
Just to inject a bit of common sense here, this may help cover things a bit.
1) "Mommy" wasn't quoted, "Mommy" wasn't called, and "Mommy" actually did the right thing by telling the reporter to call the Athletic Dept., instead of giving her opinion. The reporter undoubtedly called the family home because the player in question is a hometown kid. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
2)Odds are very high that the parents are still supporting their son with college expenses. It would make sense that if the parents are paying tuition, books, lab fees, etc., that they would want answers as to why an employee of that institution choked their son with both hands.
3)Yes, the kid in question may have very likely said something that ticked the coach off. That does not excuse a coach choking him.
4)How things were done in "the old days" doesn't apply...I was around in "the old days", and had coaches that believed in physical abuse...it wasn't right then...it's not right now.
5)Your father, grandfather, or whoever serving in WW2 in the Pacific Front at 17 doesn't have a thing to do with this...there are 18 year olds dying in Iraq and Afghanistan right now..if the DI or CO over those kids choked them, they would be brought up on charges.
6)The coach having a great history with his former players also doesn't have a thing to do with this. This is now. If the coach was at a more prominent program, the publicity would have sunk him by now. Does the name Woody Hayes ring a bell? UCF was in a quandry with what to do, because they had no policy on how to deal with the matter, the guy had been there forever, and the field is named after him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him quietly retire after this season.
7)
8)TR...lets look at this differently...what would your reaction be if the boy's father assauted the coach?
Just to inject a bit of common sense here, this may help cover things a bit.
1) "Mommy" wasn't quoted, "Mommy" wasn't called, and "Mommy" actually did the right thing by telling the reporter to call the Athletic Dept., instead of giving her opinion. The reporter undoubtedly called the family home because the player in question is a hometown kid. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
2)Odds are very high that the parents are still supporting their son with college expenses. It would make sense that if the parents are paying tuition, books, lab fees, etc., that they would want answers as to why an employee of that institution choked their son with both hands.
3)Yes, the kid in question may have very likely said something that ticked the coach off. That does not excuse a coach choking him.
4)How things were done in "the old days" doesn't apply...I was around in "the old days", and had coaches that believed in physical abuse...it wasn't right then...it's not right now.
5)Your father, grandfather, or whoever serving in WW2 in the Pacific Front at 17 doesn't have a thing to do with this...there are 18 year olds dying in Iraq and Afghanistan right now..if the DI or CO over those kids choked them, they would be brought up on charges.
6)The coach having a great history with his former players also doesn't have a thing to do with this. This is now. If the coach was at a more prominent program, the publicity would have sunk him by now. Does the name Woody Hayes ring a bell? UCF was in a quandry with what to do, because they had no policy on how to deal with the matter, the guy had been there forever, and the field is named after him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him quietly retire after this season.
7)
...that statement stands on it's own as one of the dumbest things I've read. The kid's not out on his own working in a job, getting too much paperwork or being told to dig extra ditches. He was choked by an employee of a public university that his parents are paying money to.quote:I can picture some of you walking in tho the bosses office at your sons first job and complaining that your son is being abused because he is overworked.
8)TR...lets look at this differently...what would your reaction be if the boy's father assauted the coach?
2 seamer
Dumbest thing !!!!! nice of you to assail my intelligence in public--I will truly consider the source
What makes you think you are the voice of reason here ?
Woody Hayes--one of the greatest college football coaches ever and dont ever forget it
You are using the term "assault" very loosely here---
By the way I see you logic as very skewed
And the press did call MOMMY !!!!
Dumbest thing !!!!! nice of you to assail my intelligence in public--I will truly consider the source
What makes you think you are the voice of reason here ?
Woody Hayes--one of the greatest college football coaches ever and dont ever forget it
You are using the term "assault" very loosely here---
By the way I see you logic as very skewed
And the press did call MOMMY !!!!
There was no assault of a child here. I believe the kid is 18 or 19, legal age to be called a man. Not a man though that would taunt a great man like Jay Bergman. The guy is stand up. In over 30 years he's never had a problem like this. The kid made a big mistake and sent the coach over the edge. The coach admitted it, they cleared it up, and they will go on.
How come we and the press can't.
Sometimes people go overboard, sometimes they are pushed.
We can't settle all disputes at the "table of love".
How come we and the press can't.
Sometimes people go overboard, sometimes they are pushed.
We can't settle all disputes at the "table of love".
Just took the time to read this entire thread. Is it possible that people are commenting without having read the article? There is only one comment mentioning the players mother and that was her “no comment” to the writer. The press would be shirking their duty if they didn't attempt to get all sides of the story. To the Mom's credit she knew what to tell them.
It’s obvious something happened that the University found unacceptable. I can understand how something like this could happen, but the bottom line is it is unacceptable! The coach lost his cool like everyone does at times. He was reprimanded and suspended. He’s a great coach who made a mistake. I think a lesser coach would have been treated differently.
As far as the old days… In our town the high school players were expected to coach the youth leagues in the summer. Growing up in the “tougher” days I remember lots of extra running and other punishment when coaches got mad. Never has a coach ever laid a hand on me. Do others my age remember coaches man handling kids in baseball?
Anyway, while coaching these little kids, I ran across one boy who was a problem. I made him run around the field a few times. (This was around 1960) The boy went home and told his parents, they called the director who was our high school coach and he fired me!!!! I think he wanted to CHOKE me!!!! But he didn’t! Sometimes I think we look at the old days as being tougher and better. Then I look back and see things were different is all. Just like they will be 50 years from now. Things do change as we evolve!
Here is the entire story from the Orlando Sentinel. If it’s illegal to copy it and post it will someone please delete it. I just don’t see this as any hyped up newspaper report and think it’s as accurate as possible story.
UCF baseball Coach Jay Bergman served a one-game suspension last week after he "physically touched a student-athlete in a manner that was unacceptable" during an April 8 home game against East Carolina, Athletic Director Steve Orsini said Tuesday.
A source close to the UCF athletic department told the Sentinel that Bergman put his hands around the neck of a player during a disagreement in the dugout.
Orsini called Bergman's conduct "unacceptable" and said in addition to the suspension, an official letter of reprimand was placed in Bergman's file and that he has agreed to undergo counseling. Sessions will be worked out to accommodate the rest of UCF's season.
When reached on his cell phone Monday, Bergman identified the player as freshman pitcher Tyler Bunnell. "It's an issue between he [Bunnell] and I, and as far as I'm concerned, it's resolved."
Bergman had no further comment.
The UCF athletic department announced April 11 that Bergman would be suspended for the Knights' game that night against USF. He served that suspension and returned to the team the next day.
Bergman, 67, is a staple in UCF's baseball program and in the Orlando sports community. UCF's home park is named after him, and he is in his 24th season at the school. He is one of just four coaches in UCF baseball history. Before UCF, he coached at Seminole Community College (1967-73) and Florida (1976-81).
The incident with Bunnell occurred in the UCF dugout during the ninth inning of the Knights' 6-3 loss April 8. Bunnell entered in the seventh inning and was pulled in the ninth after giving up five hits.
Bergman coached the following day, but the player's parents filed a complaint that morning with the athletic department, Orsini said.
When reached by phone Monday, Kate Bunnell, Tyler's mother, said she had no comment. "If you want to talk to someone, talk to the UCF athletic department," she said.
Orsini said he didn't know about the incident until April 10. At that time, he sat down with members of his staff and had the player write up what happened. Orsini said Bergman didn't dispute the player's account and immediately was suspended.
Orsini called the incident "surprising" and said the length of the suspension was "ultimately my call." He said he consulted members of the athletic staff, including deputy AD William Weidner.
Orsini said the department has nothing official on paper about how to deal with these types of incidents.
"It's a judgment thing we make," he said. "We don't have a 'if you do this, then we do that.' Lots of things are possible. We just make sure everything is addressed and is fair. Talking with the parents and victim himself, we feel we've reached a fair thing that will prevent it in the future."
Orsini said to his knowledge, this is the first incident of this nature that Bergman has been involved in, and he said all involved are satisfied with what has been done.
"Obviously, the university does not condone that behavior," Orsini said. "We have taken proper action, in our opinion, to make sure it doesn't happen again. . . . He's one of the senior members of our staff. His name is on the field. But that never condones that type of action or justifies what he did.
"He had a clean record and is a model coach. The behavior doesn't represent that. But he admits the mistake he made and wants to improve himself. That's the type of person he is."
UCF's baseball coach must undergo counseling after putting his hands around a player's neck during a game.
It’s obvious something happened that the University found unacceptable. I can understand how something like this could happen, but the bottom line is it is unacceptable! The coach lost his cool like everyone does at times. He was reprimanded and suspended. He’s a great coach who made a mistake. I think a lesser coach would have been treated differently.
As far as the old days… In our town the high school players were expected to coach the youth leagues in the summer. Growing up in the “tougher” days I remember lots of extra running and other punishment when coaches got mad. Never has a coach ever laid a hand on me. Do others my age remember coaches man handling kids in baseball?
Anyway, while coaching these little kids, I ran across one boy who was a problem. I made him run around the field a few times. (This was around 1960) The boy went home and told his parents, they called the director who was our high school coach and he fired me!!!! I think he wanted to CHOKE me!!!! But he didn’t! Sometimes I think we look at the old days as being tougher and better. Then I look back and see things were different is all. Just like they will be 50 years from now. Things do change as we evolve!
Here is the entire story from the Orlando Sentinel. If it’s illegal to copy it and post it will someone please delete it. I just don’t see this as any hyped up newspaper report and think it’s as accurate as possible story.
UCF baseball Coach Jay Bergman served a one-game suspension last week after he "physically touched a student-athlete in a manner that was unacceptable" during an April 8 home game against East Carolina, Athletic Director Steve Orsini said Tuesday.
A source close to the UCF athletic department told the Sentinel that Bergman put his hands around the neck of a player during a disagreement in the dugout.
Orsini called Bergman's conduct "unacceptable" and said in addition to the suspension, an official letter of reprimand was placed in Bergman's file and that he has agreed to undergo counseling. Sessions will be worked out to accommodate the rest of UCF's season.
When reached on his cell phone Monday, Bergman identified the player as freshman pitcher Tyler Bunnell. "It's an issue between he [Bunnell] and I, and as far as I'm concerned, it's resolved."
Bergman had no further comment.
The UCF athletic department announced April 11 that Bergman would be suspended for the Knights' game that night against USF. He served that suspension and returned to the team the next day.
Bergman, 67, is a staple in UCF's baseball program and in the Orlando sports community. UCF's home park is named after him, and he is in his 24th season at the school. He is one of just four coaches in UCF baseball history. Before UCF, he coached at Seminole Community College (1967-73) and Florida (1976-81).
The incident with Bunnell occurred in the UCF dugout during the ninth inning of the Knights' 6-3 loss April 8. Bunnell entered in the seventh inning and was pulled in the ninth after giving up five hits.
Bergman coached the following day, but the player's parents filed a complaint that morning with the athletic department, Orsini said.
When reached by phone Monday, Kate Bunnell, Tyler's mother, said she had no comment. "If you want to talk to someone, talk to the UCF athletic department," she said.
Orsini said he didn't know about the incident until April 10. At that time, he sat down with members of his staff and had the player write up what happened. Orsini said Bergman didn't dispute the player's account and immediately was suspended.
Orsini called the incident "surprising" and said the length of the suspension was "ultimately my call." He said he consulted members of the athletic staff, including deputy AD William Weidner.
Orsini said the department has nothing official on paper about how to deal with these types of incidents.
"It's a judgment thing we make," he said. "We don't have a 'if you do this, then we do that.' Lots of things are possible. We just make sure everything is addressed and is fair. Talking with the parents and victim himself, we feel we've reached a fair thing that will prevent it in the future."
Orsini said to his knowledge, this is the first incident of this nature that Bergman has been involved in, and he said all involved are satisfied with what has been done.
"Obviously, the university does not condone that behavior," Orsini said. "We have taken proper action, in our opinion, to make sure it doesn't happen again. . . . He's one of the senior members of our staff. His name is on the field. But that never condones that type of action or justifies what he did.
"He had a clean record and is a model coach. The behavior doesn't represent that. But he admits the mistake he made and wants to improve himself. That's the type of person he is."
UCF's baseball coach must undergo counseling after putting his hands around a player's neck during a game.
quote:8)TR...lets look at this differently...what would your reaction be if the boy's father assauted the coach?
As usual, you conveniently didn't answer the question..so how about it?
quote:Woody Hayes--one of the greatest college football coaches ever and dont ever forget it
Woody Hayes was a great coach..no one disputed that...his last memory for his legacy is slugging Charlie Bauman..."and don't ever forget it"..
quote:You are using the term "assault" very loosely here---
You keep trumping your intelligence, Einstein, but take a second and look up the definition of assault, and report back.
quote:And the press did call MOMMY !!!!
They called his home, his mother answered the phone, and made no comment. There's no need to disparage the boy or his family. His mother handled the situation rationally...unlike the coach that assaulted her son.
quote:There was no assault of a child here. I believe the kid is 18 or 19, legal age to be called a man. Not a man though that would taunt a great man like Jay Bergman. The guy is stand up. In over 30 years he's never had a problem like this. The kid made a big mistake and sent the coach over the edge. The coach admitted it, they cleared it up, and they will go on.
The boy isn't out on his own supporting himself. He's still a dependant of his family that is paying money for him to get an education at the University of Central Florida. He was assaulted by an employee of the university...it's no different than if he were to be choked by a Chemistry Professor. Whether Jay Bergman is a great man is open to debate...he may have been a heck of a nice guy, may have been a great baseball coach, but the bottom line is, he's smudged his reputation by losing his temper.
Good post seamer.
I cant imagine any coach initiating physical contact in this manner. If he did - he should be history.
And if it did happen - the young man should have protected himself. Learning how to become a "punching bag" is never good. He is there to play baseball - not to be physically assaulted.
I also agree with some here - leave the parents out of it. The young man has to learn how to protect and defend himself when attacked. IMO.
And if it did happen - the young man should have protected himself. Learning how to become a "punching bag" is never good. He is there to play baseball - not to be physically assaulted.
I also agree with some here - leave the parents out of it. The young man has to learn how to protect and defend himself when attacked. IMO.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
wvmtner
You call it what you want but in college it is time for young men to learn to stand on their own two feet
TR
I was being sarcastic. I believe that if 18 year olds are considered adults, they should act, be treated and be responsible like an adult.
My statement about the "transition" was based on the other topic about the young man who quit after 3 days with the Rockies.
The kid should have punched the coach in the jaw and that would have been the end of it.
He would have retired.
He would have retired.
Grabbing someone or placing your hands around their neck is at a minimum 3rd degree assault. Whether is was actually a choke or not is irrelevant.
TR- I'd like to see someone pinned against a fence by hands around their neck and their feet dangling off the ground and them not being choked. Literally impossible.
The kid likely made a smart *** comment to the coach about getting yanked. The coach reacted improperly. He's lucky he didn't get fired but hopefully the counseling will help him with his anger control problem. Wonder what he's like at home? Maybe we can call his mom or wife for a quote?
TR- I'd like to see someone pinned against a fence by hands around their neck and their feet dangling off the ground and them not being choked. Literally impossible.
The kid likely made a smart *** comment to the coach about getting yanked. The coach reacted improperly. He's lucky he didn't get fired but hopefully the counseling will help him with his anger control problem. Wonder what he's like at home? Maybe we can call his mom or wife for a quote?
Redhawk ...
You can call all you want but some people around here would still deride the fact that a woman answered the phone, no matter whether her response was appropriate or not.
Geesh ... some people just don't get the fact that moms (and dads, too, of course) still have an interest in their children, whether or not they are considered adults. Criticizing the parents for following up on a behavior that is as unacceptable now as it was when we oldtimers were kids is, IMHO, off the mark. I really don't care what the kid said or didn't say to the coach ... if the coach gets ticked off, he needs to keep his anger in check period bottom line. I just find it very difficult to believe that someone who reacts like that when 'pushed over the edge' doesn't manifest his anger somehow on a regular basis.
FB.Mommy
quote:Maybe we can call his mom or wife for a quote?
You can call all you want but some people around here would still deride the fact that a woman answered the phone, no matter whether her response was appropriate or not.
Geesh ... some people just don't get the fact that moms (and dads, too, of course) still have an interest in their children, whether or not they are considered adults. Criticizing the parents for following up on a behavior that is as unacceptable now as it was when we oldtimers were kids is, IMHO, off the mark. I really don't care what the kid said or didn't say to the coach ... if the coach gets ticked off, he needs to keep his anger in check period bottom line. I just find it very difficult to believe that someone who reacts like that when 'pushed over the edge' doesn't manifest his anger somehow on a regular basis.
FB.Mommy
As I read it looks so much better from the sidelines. We can debate how it was how it is and how it should be but the bottom line is coaching is just a whole lot different than in years past. The kids are different the parents are different so I guess you should be different. Dont say anything dont do anything. I know I saw the handwriting on the wall and said time to get out. I never put my hands on a player but i would let him know I was not pleased with what he did or was doing. I guess I was not warm and cuddly. A friend of mine relayed a story to me as an assistant one of the players called him an *******. I was at a game and saw the pitcher drop the ball on the ground on being taken out rather than handing the ball to the coach. How do you deal with that? That stuff did not happen years ago for whatever reason.
quote:I was at a game and saw the pitcher drop the ball on the ground on being taken out rather than handing the ball to the coach. How do you deal with that? That stuff did not happen years ago for whatever reason.
Will...It didn't happen years ago because parents demanded respect; and, kids, on their own, developed self-respect.
In this particular situation, I wouldn't embarrass the kid publicly, but would ask for his uniform privately and he can go play with the band or go and join the "Mopery Club" (Also known as the "I'm-learning-some-lessons-in-life club") at his high school.
In my opinion, the best discipline is subtle and not easily learned.
Some things dont change - and shouldnt change - over the years.
If someone grabs you by the neck - you better get busy.
IMO.
If someone grabs you by the neck - you better get busy.
IMO.
Was at a HS game this week--in the 7th inning the coach comes out to remove the pitcher--pitcher does not hand the ball at the coach he THROWS it at him--- coach just ignored it---WOW--then th coach gives him a high five for a job well done and the kid slap the coaches hand loud enough to hear all the across to the other side of the field
Hey we want our pitchers to want to stay in the game, especially if they have pitched well--but when they come out there SHALL BE NO HISTRIONICS or they will sit
I am not sure I like where this is all going!!!!
Hey we want our pitchers to want to stay in the game, especially if they have pitched well--but when they come out there SHALL BE NO HISTRIONICS or they will sit
I am not sure I like where this is all going!!!!
quote:I am not sure I like where this is all going!!!!
Trhit
Just trying to point out that the environment is so much different from both sides of the fence coaches and players. Being an old timer how would i have reacted to some of the things we hear about. I hope i would not do anything physical to a player but I know now i am not in a position to find out. and thinking about it i think it is a good thing.
Times haven't changed, we have, as a society.
We have become spineless wimps. I'm not talking about hitting a kid or choking one either.
This starts at home were the little rascals run wild and when they do it in publc, no one, especially the parents, says anything. Yes, adults used to tell you to get inline, even strangers. Due to respect, even parents saw the situation as embarrassing, so they put us inline. Today, We may hurt little Johnny's feelings.
The loss of integrity, back bone and an understanding of right and wrong have brought us to this point.
This young man is 18, and I'm sure equally strong as a 67 yr old man. He should have made the decision to defend himself, but how could he.
All his life he's been taught to settle his disputes without confrontation, until one day he can't take it anymore and he shoots someone (generally speaking).
Young kids today don't know how to go behind the barn and settle their differences, and its a great loss to our society.
Kids would put differences to rest and walk away friends, now they just quietly wait until they have 15 of their buddies with them, and then they jump the other guy.
The evidence is in how we write.
Younger people here will talk about respect, and how you give it and get it.
No way, The only way to get respect is to, "Earn It".
We have become spineless wimps. I'm not talking about hitting a kid or choking one either.
This starts at home were the little rascals run wild and when they do it in publc, no one, especially the parents, says anything. Yes, adults used to tell you to get inline, even strangers. Due to respect, even parents saw the situation as embarrassing, so they put us inline. Today, We may hurt little Johnny's feelings.
The loss of integrity, back bone and an understanding of right and wrong have brought us to this point.
This young man is 18, and I'm sure equally strong as a 67 yr old man. He should have made the decision to defend himself, but how could he.
All his life he's been taught to settle his disputes without confrontation, until one day he can't take it anymore and he shoots someone (generally speaking).
Young kids today don't know how to go behind the barn and settle their differences, and its a great loss to our society.
Kids would put differences to rest and walk away friends, now they just quietly wait until they have 15 of their buddies with them, and then they jump the other guy.
The evidence is in how we write.
Younger people here will talk about respect, and how you give it and get it.
No way, The only way to get respect is to, "Earn It".
I have not seen anything to explain why Coach did what he did.
What precipitated his actions? Does anyone know?
What precipitated his actions? Does anyone know?
We'll never know that one TR. You see, Bergman is a class guy, and those of us who know him realize that this was a strange occurence. He'll never tell, and for him it will go away. For the PC Press, they won't let us know because it may show this young man to have done something wrong, and in todays world, that doesn't happen.
and in the meantime a coach with no problems on his record may get dismissed in disgrace
Knowing his reputation and what he has done for the school and program, and by what I've read locally, the school will probably stick with him. He'll have to do his counseling, and he will probably hug this kid everyday, as he has been known to do from time to time.