JUCO or D1?

AZallen,

You son most likely knows exactly what he would rather do... Ask him

And, make sure you follow through with the NCAA clearinghouse to the end and the "you are now NCAA certified". If you dont finish your son will spend two years and a finite amount of credits at the JC before he can transfer no matter what kind of a great student he was in hs.

You know you can dual commit.

Thanks Playfair. I know my son is modest of his talent and he knows of the family finances. He wants to do JUCO to help. I could make arrangements for finance. I know of the dual signing but he doesn't understand the business of it. he feels a committment to a coach is a commitment.That it wouldn't be fair to the JUCO coach if he went and signed both. I think he will prob. take the JUCO route and move up when he sees his results there and builds confidence. We have been with the clearinghouse and he has enough credits to go D1 now thanks.Besides if he can put up good numbers in that division in AZ I think a few D1 schools will jump in or maybe even a draft pick. Thanks for input!!!!!

I am pretty sure the NCAA passed in the past year or so that states a JUCO transfer has to have his AA to go D1. Can someone confirm that?

Here are the 2 rules I am having trouble with. Can someone explain these to me?

14.5.4.1 Qualifier. A transfer student from a two-year college who was a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible
for competition in the first academic year in residence only if the student: (Revised: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03
for those students entering an NCAA institution on a full-time basis on or after 8/1/03)
(a) Has spent at least one full-time semester or one full-time quarter in residence at the two-year college
(excluding summer sessions);
(b) Has presented a minimum grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.5.3.2); and
(c) Has satisfactorily completed an average of at least 12-semester or quarter hours of transferable-degree
credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution for each full-time
academic term of attendance at the two-year college.
14.5.4.1.1 Baseball and Basketball—Midyear Enrollee. In baseball and basketball, a qualifier who
satisfies the provisions of Bylaw 14.5.4.1, but initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student
after the conclusion of the institution’s first term of the academic year, shall not be eligible for competition
until the ensuing academic year. (Adopted: 4/27/00 effective 8/1/01 for those student-athletes first entering
the certifying institution on or after 8/1/01, Revised: 3/10/04, 4/26/07 effective 8/1/08)


This basically states that you can't attend a Juco in the fall then transfer in the spring....you are ineligible until the ensuing academic year. It doesn't state what happens if you spend an entire academic year (2 semesters) and then transfer.


14.5.4.5.4 Degree Requirement. In order to satisfy the two-year-college graduation requirement for
eligibility immediately upon transfer from a two-year college to a member institution, a student-athlete
must receive an associate or equivalent degree in an academic or technical, rather than a vocational, curriculum.
The Academics Cabinet shall have the authority to determine whether a two-year college degree is
158 academic or technical, rather than vocational, in nature. (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99, 11/1/07
effective 8/1/08)

This states to be eligible immediately a juco transfer must receive an associate or equivalent degree.

My question is then which one is it....if a student spends 2 semesters at a juco and wants to transfer his sophomore year is he eligible or not if he doesn't get his AA? Any help?

Azallan, you've got quite a young man with a most impressive bio. Now, look at what stat was the very first number that you chose to list. That's correct, his GPA. And, in today's world, probably the most important. That number will likely open more doors than any other. Good luck.

Dont do all the rules by numbers,but if you are an academic qualifier out of HS, you can go to a D1 school and play baseball after one year at the JC.

tholm21,
Your first cite shows that you don't need to graduate from a JC if you are a qualifier. If you look at the following rule 14.5.4.2, which applies to non-qualifiers, you'll see that requirement (a) is graduation, rather than one full-time semester. Being a qualifier is good.

14.5.4.5.4 simply says that if a player needs to satisfy the requirement of graduation, typically because he was a non-qualifier, then it has to an associate or equivalent degree, and not a vocational degree.

No transfer student (2 year, 4 year, 4-2-4 year) may transfer in at midyear in baseball or basketball and play immediately. That is a new rule for baseball as of August 2008. A player could however, start JC in the spring, attend only one semester, transfer the next fall, and be eligible in his first year at the D1.

With that GPA he may be offered a substantial merit award. That would be in addition to the athletic scholarship. It could really bring down the cost of a 4 yr college education. Talk to him and see what he thinks he wants to do.

I was told by a couple of D1 schools that my son should apply first to see how much academic money and financial monies we could get then they would tell him what they could do to get a total. Does that sound like the norm? Thank you all so very much. This is why I joined this site and why I will continue to donate and support it to keep it going. I will add my 2 cents worth in when I can on other threads to help where I can. Thanks again greatly appreciated!!

I assume the Clearinghouse will tell you if you are a qualifier?

Many colleges accept the common application. This is very easy to complete, doesn't require much in the way of essays, and some schools don't have an application fee. My son applied to a variety of colleges, some that had nothing to do with baseball. I always felt better with multiple choices. What if an injury occured that prohibited him from playing bb?

Anyway, his application was already in when he took his official visit to the school he would eventually attend. He got an athletic offer from the coach. The coach was able to go to admissions and find out about how much of an academic scholly they would offer him. We did not apply for any financial aid so the process may have been easier for admissions to determine his merit money.

Allen, this is a common question on this site, search history and you will find several posts with many comments. .
My son, 2008 had committed to Yavapai eary for basically all everything paid for 2 years. We were happy, and thought he was all set. At the senior 4a allstar game practice that year he was approached by a California Private D1 school that had opened up some money and needed a SS. They made a very good offer and my son really wanted to commit there. We made a panic visit, (at our expense) and decided to take the offer. Yavapai was NOT happy but its about you and your son, not them!! It worked out good, kid played 50+ games at SS in the WCC and is now settled in and happy.
A couple of things to think about....One thing we didn't do was apply to ALL the schools we were interested in and submit the fafsa for financial aid. It may cost you a little up front but we missed out on a lot (30-40K) of financial aid money, and baseball and Mom and Dad had to make up the difference that first year.
Also...the AZ D1 schools are notorious for over recruiting and offering things that just don't happen, beware.....
Something else to think about...a JUCO may say it's OK to leave after 1 year, but they expect you there for two and will pressure you to stay.
Lastly, never underestimate the amount of time and commitment a D1 school will expect from your son!! Its like nothing he has ever done before, I guarantee it.
Bottom line ..its all about the FIT, Fit, fit....Good Luck!!

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Lastly, never underestimate the amount of time and commitment a D1 school will expect from your son!! Its like nothing he has ever done before, I guarantee it.
Bottom line ..its all about the FIT, Fit, fit....Good Luck!!

That is the absolute truth.I had no idea.

Diamond dog? Did your son start 50 games? And what is his Ave if you don't mind. Has there been any MLB exposure in D1 for him or the team? Do MLB Scouts look more to the wood bat players in good D1 programs or players in the minor D1 school programs? What do you think? Thanks Ps even at a private D1 school you still had to pay 30-40 k for him to attend by the time he graduated or per year? If you don't mind answering. Thanks

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Do MLB Scouts look more to the wood bat players in good D1 programs or players in the minor D1 school programs?

From "about the draft"

2009 MLB Draft -source: MLB Draft Tracker

1521 total players drafted this year.
804 4 Year college players drafted or 53%
(51% juniors, 49% not juniors)
505 hs players selected or 33%
206 Junior College players selected or 14%

Great stats! Thanks. Now of those D1 is there anyway to see how many of those players were JUCO transferees?

azallan, that is such an interesting question. I think I am going to pour over at least the pedigree of some of the top round guys.

Might take a day or two.

Thank you very much. My son is D1 talent but I like alot of pparents in this economy have a JUCO budget. So he got a full ride to AZ western. That is a GREAT wood bat Conference. If he does well in that conference and we hope will do well and transfer. He may even get better D1 offers than he has. But if he goes JUCO and doesn't make the draft there, he could transfer D1 then and maybe in two years I would have enough to help out. He does carry a 4.0. Which, academic money will help if he can keep the GPA for two years when transfer time comes. So if I understand so far. He will have a 33% chance in his senior year to get drafted if he does extremly well or a 13% chance in JUCO with a ? chance as a D1 transfer after his two years in Juco. Thanks, looking forward to see how many of the 4 yr D1s came from JUCO transfers. Great site!!!!

azallan, your son and my son are almost in the same boat, except for the 4.0...we're not quite there. I also wondered how many of the 804 (4-year college players) started out at a JUCO. This is a very interesting thread. A DI called last night trying to see if a certain percentage would be enough. It really wasn't much more than the minimum. Son really likes the JUCO full-ride offer he has. Dad and I are not sure what is the best thing...DI with college debt or JUCO with no college debt. Of course there would eventually be some debt when he transfers to the 4-year college, but much less. I'm also thinking, since this isn't going to be accomplished in time for the early signing, why not wait and see what happens this spring?

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So if I understand so far. He will have a 33% chance in his senior year to get drafted if he does extremly well or a 13% chance in JUCO with a ? chance as a D1 transfer after his two years in Juco.

Azallan,

I think you have confused the numbers somewhat.

It's not that 13% of all Juco players are drafted, it is that Juco players represnt a certain percentage of the draft. Also, it's not that 33% of all high school seniors get drafted, it's 33% of all draft picks are HS seniors. If 33% of all HS seniors would get drafted that would add up to about 50,000 draft picks. There are only about 1,500 draft pick spots each year.

Just thought I would clear that up just in case that was what you were thinking. Best of luck.

lol Thanks. Thats what I meant also. Thanks for the input!!