If I am going to a JUCO college this year do I still have a good chance of being recruited by a
D-1 college after my two years are up? Do a lot of players do it this way?
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I do believe a lot of players do this.
The only thing is when you transfer I believe you have to go through a recruiting year which means you must redshirt a year. This may only be for high school athletes but I believe it goes for this also.
A lot of players who play well in JUCO do get recruited to colleges.
A player of reference that switched to Arkansas. Some players go Community College which is sort of the same thing as junior college.
Justin Wells (Texarkana JUCO)
The only thing is when you transfer I believe you have to go through a recruiting year which means you must redshirt a year. This may only be for high school athletes but I believe it goes for this also.
A lot of players who play well in JUCO do get recruited to colleges.
A player of reference that switched to Arkansas. Some players go Community College which is sort of the same thing as junior college.
Justin Wells (Texarkana JUCO)
Yes you can transfer to a Div. 1 or 2 school providing you have enough credits. D-1 requires more credits than D-2 though. My son just completed 2 years at a JUCO this spring and will play at a Div.2 this comeing year without sitting out a year.
quote:The only thing is when you transfer I believe you have to go through a recruiting year which means you must redshirt a year.
You do not have to redshirt a year when you transfer from juco to D-1.
just from looking over a ton of D-1 rosters recently,It seems like more and more D`1s are getting their players from Juco then they are from High School
I know our local D1 coach is going hard at JuCo players.
I think the pending roster limits mean coaches want proven players, and can take less chances with HS players who may or may not "project."
I think the pending roster limits mean coaches want proven players, and can take less chances with HS players who may or may not "project."
Just curious - what happens to most juco players that don't get drafted
1. they go on to play college ball at a 4-year school OR
2. They do not go on to a 4 year and are finished with baseball??
Are there any stats on this??
1. they go on to play college ball at a 4-year school OR
2. They do not go on to a 4 year and are finished with baseball??
Are there any stats on this??
Many years ago D1 teams got 50%+ of their players from the JUCO ranks. With the new scholarship rules and roster limits that we now have look for schools to take a hard look at the JUCO players the next few years. Most D1 freshmen & sophmore players are redshirted or play very little (unless they are a true stud) their first two seasons. Like a Top 10 D1 coach explained to me: We must invest a minium of 25% into a player and we have a roster limit of 35 players while playing 5 games most weeks. We do not have the luxury of redshirting position players now unless they have an injury. Should we sign a student/athlete that has proven himself in a college classroom & on the field or roll the dice and take an unporven high school prospect? The JUCO kid has played between 125-150 games against college competition and the high school player has played zero games against good college teams. This same coach also went on to say that even if you could redshirt players do you want a JUCO kid that has played 125-150 games or a kid that has played in 25 games while watching others on his team play @ the D1 level.
CBG,
Good post and I think very true. My son after much deliberation turned away from a D1 and is going to a JC. Financially and basball wise I think it was a good decision.He needs to continue to get stronger, and like you said 150-160 at bats for two years compared to a fresh or soph getiing 20-30 for two years,unless you are a stud most likely will sit . For my son he wants to play and get better.
But each player has different dreams and ideas of whats best for him. Those kids going straight to a 4 year, they will get a 4 year education and have the college exp. for 4 years. For mine he was more interested in getting to play and work on his game get his gen. ed done while at a jc.
Good post and I think very true. My son after much deliberation turned away from a D1 and is going to a JC. Financially and basball wise I think it was a good decision.He needs to continue to get stronger, and like you said 150-160 at bats for two years compared to a fresh or soph getiing 20-30 for two years,unless you are a stud most likely will sit . For my son he wants to play and get better.
But each player has different dreams and ideas of whats best for him. Those kids going straight to a 4 year, they will get a 4 year education and have the college exp. for 4 years. For mine he was more interested in getting to play and work on his game get his gen. ed done while at a jc.
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Funny...I called this last year...and was told I was foolish.
It's only logical, with smaller rosters coaches have less ability to wait and develop. Every roster spot needs to produce NOW. As a result coaches at schools who historically struggle to recruit Blue-Chip play'em-now freshmen will have to be looking for "proven" College level players. Also with JC guys as the turn over is only two years...that gives coaches a great deal more flexibility. Mistakes weeded out more quickly. A Freshman mistake on a roster of 35 could be a 4 year saddle. The times they are a changin'...
Maybe not a fool after all...
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quote:Originally posted by futurecatcher27:
just from looking over a ton of D-1 rosters recently,It seems like more and more D`1s are getting their players from Juco then they are from High School
quote:Originally posted by JT:
I know our local D1 coach is going hard at JuCo players.
I think the pending roster limits mean coaches want "proven players, and can take less chances with HS players who may or may not "project."
Funny...I called this last year...and was told I was foolish.
It's only logical, with smaller rosters coaches have less ability to wait and develop. Every roster spot needs to produce NOW. As a result coaches at schools who historically struggle to recruit Blue-Chip play'em-now freshmen will have to be looking for "proven" College level players. Also with JC guys as the turn over is only two years...that gives coaches a great deal more flexibility. Mistakes weeded out more quickly. A Freshman mistake on a roster of 35 could be a 4 year saddle. The times they are a changin'...
Maybe not a fool after all...
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quote:It's only logical, with smaller rosters coaches have less ability to wait and develop. Every roster spot needs to produce NOW. As a result coaches at schools who historically struggle to recruit Blue-Chip play'em-now freshmen will have to be looking for "proven" College level players.
Makes a lot of sense. However, there will always be exceptions.
Here's a recent quote from one D1 coach (of a school which received a regional bid this year) who recruits most of his players from the high school ranks: "We're not going to get the blue-chip All-American, so we have to develop players over the course of four years. We do a lot of teaching and put a lot of emphasis on the fundamentals."
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Would agree, nothing is universal, there will always be exceptions...I can see the wind shifting...big picture, both as a result of the smaller rosters and the squashed season (need a greater % of producing pitchers required).
One other thing, say you HAVE given spots over to development of freshment, the price you pay may be playing your regulars until they drop literally. Maybe I am mistaken but last year I saw more "tired" play/arms, and pitcher injury than previously...and guys going two way by necessity rather than plan.
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Would agree, nothing is universal, there will always be exceptions...I can see the wind shifting...big picture, both as a result of the smaller rosters and the squashed season (need a greater % of producing pitchers required).
One other thing, say you HAVE given spots over to development of freshment, the price you pay may be playing your regulars until they drop literally. Maybe I am mistaken but last year I saw more "tired" play/arms, and pitcher injury than previously...and guys going two way by necessity rather than plan.
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That quote was interesting regarding redshirt. I did predict that the redshirt player (not medical waiver) would become a thing of the past.
A good point made, many players begin at JUCO and then continue at 4 year schools. Did anyone think that they just went to play for 2 years and disappeared?
The need for JUCO players will always remain a constant, regardless of rule changes. Attending JUCO does not guarantee that player will eventually become a D1 player or get loads of playing time if he does. Just as many D1 players sit the bench as freshman at many programs. In the 3 years son attended school, only 2 JUCO players of the few there made an impact. Most came from the same JUCO that the coaches have strong ties with. Many coaches prefer to develop their players while many turn to JUCO to fill in gaps. The JUCO player also has to work very hard to find his way as a starter on that roster so he can put up numbers so he can move forward. Sitting on a JUCO bench won't get you anyplace.
The advantage of a freshman over a JUCO player, by his sophmore year he's more familar with the program than the 2 year JUCO player. I would work as hard as you can, earn enough credits to try to transfer asap.
Fanofgame, I hope your son is doing well.
A good point made, many players begin at JUCO and then continue at 4 year schools. Did anyone think that they just went to play for 2 years and disappeared?
The need for JUCO players will always remain a constant, regardless of rule changes. Attending JUCO does not guarantee that player will eventually become a D1 player or get loads of playing time if he does. Just as many D1 players sit the bench as freshman at many programs. In the 3 years son attended school, only 2 JUCO players of the few there made an impact. Most came from the same JUCO that the coaches have strong ties with. Many coaches prefer to develop their players while many turn to JUCO to fill in gaps. The JUCO player also has to work very hard to find his way as a starter on that roster so he can put up numbers so he can move forward. Sitting on a JUCO bench won't get you anyplace.
The advantage of a freshman over a JUCO player, by his sophmore year he's more familar with the program than the 2 year JUCO player. I would work as hard as you can, earn enough credits to try to transfer asap.
Fanofgame, I hope your son is doing well.
TPM,
he is doing great. I will PM you.
he is doing great. I will PM you.
I'm going to be a 2nd year juco player. I started as a freshman and did very well. My grades are good as well 3.7 GPA and rising. I've recently sent email's to coaches as various schools expressing my interest. Alot of them have not got back to me at all. Am I contacting the coaches to early as far as recruiting goes, or should I wait to the early fall. I was not recruited in high school, but have picked up my game immensely. I know its the summer and they may be out of their offices, but do you think they'll answer me if I email them in the fall?
I'm trying to start early with the recruiting process....I am a d1 caliber player and I'm getting frustrated because I keep hitting road blocks.
Some schools have asked me to send videos, and I only sent the videos to the schools that wanted them. They never emailed me back saying that they received it. what do you think happened?
If anyone has tips or suggestions please let me know.
I'm trying to start early with the recruiting process....I am a d1 caliber player and I'm getting frustrated because I keep hitting road blocks.
Some schools have asked me to send videos, and I only sent the videos to the schools that wanted them. They never emailed me back saying that they received it. what do you think happened?
If anyone has tips or suggestions please let me know.
Many D1 coaches don't have a great idea of what they need from the JC level until later in the year (April/May/June). Your best bet is help from your coach, scout or other coaches in your league who call their D1 buddies after seeing you play. You might also be able to attend some the prospects camps at schools you are interested in.
Thanks.....but Im affraid if I contact them then it may be too late. This upcoming fall doesnt sound bad right?
Im kinda shying away from the bigger d1's because they heavily recruit high school players. There are some that do recruit Juco's though.
My assistant coach used to coach at a d-2 school, do you think he might have several d1 contacts?
Im kinda shying away from the bigger d1's because they heavily recruit high school players. There are some that do recruit Juco's though.
My assistant coach used to coach at a d-2 school, do you think he might have several d1 contacts?
I would discuss transfering to another program with your coach when you return this fall, he will give you advice on how to proceed and which programs would best suit you. He may have contacts that he refers players to.
The early signing period for all players is November and the regular signing period is in April, so you have plenty of time to contact coaches.
Remember to also make sure that your academics are in order to transfer.
The early signing period for all players is November and the regular signing period is in April, so you have plenty of time to contact coaches.
Remember to also make sure that your academics are in order to transfer.
quote:Originally posted by CollegeParent:
.....Your best bet is help from your coach, scout or other coaches in your league who call their D1 buddies after seeing you play. You might also be able to attend some the prospects camps at schools you are interested in.
Let me clarify -- you don't have to wait for the regular season to start for people to see you play......Help from your coach can start now (call him). Other coaches and scouts will see you play in fall ball, prospect camps are often in the nov/dec/jan time period.....
I would not be concerned about a lack of response in July, however, I would be concerned if your coach says "I can't help you", for whatever reason.
The point I was trying to make in my previous post was, assuming you have the ability, you might not hear much from d1 schools until later in the season.
My son plays for a Tennessee Junior College. He had to red-shirt the second season due to Tommy John surgery. The coach had him drop to below full time for 2 semesters so not to be required the extra credits to transfer. So..this will be his 3rd year at the junior college, he will graduate at the end of the spring. This week the coach told my son that there is a new rule that 3 year juco players can not transfer to D1, no exceptions. Does anyone know of the rule and is it really new?
quote:Originally posted by run7run:
So..this will be his 3rd year at the junior college, he will graduate at the end of the spring. This week the coach told my son that there is a new rule that 3 year juco players can not transfer to D1, no exceptions. Does anyone know of the rule and is it really new?
You might want to go directly to the NJCAA site and review reqs. I haven't heard of that, but suppose it could be a new finding? I've never thought 3 years at a JUCO was the best choice for a player...
Can anyone else clarify?
quote:.... This week the coach told my son that there is a new rule that 3 year juco players can not transfer to D1, no exceptions. Does anyone know of the rule and is it really new?
That doesn't make any sense. Sounds like there is a misunderstanding and/or there are additional factors not mentioned.
That is why I posted my question. I could not find any mention of it on NCAA web and thought it sounded funny. I told my son I would look into it before he brings it back up to coach. We would not have chosen the red-shirt route if it weren't for the tommy john surgery..Thanks for comments!!!
I'm not aware of a specific ban on transfers of 3 year JC students to D1 schools. However, there have been changes both to the transfer regulations, and to academic progress regulations, effective Aug 1, 2008, and a few which take effect next year. So far as I know, none of the rules directly keep a player from tranferring to a D1 school, but he may have to sit for a year in order to either meet a residence requirement or to repair his academic progress. Since your son only has 2 more calendar years of eligibility, sitting out a year may be undesirable.
I would contact the NCAA directly to understand your son's situation because it is not typical.
I don't think the NCJAA rules are relevant; what matters are the rules of the division he trying to transfer to.
The NCAA D1 manual has the actual rules. Rules 14.4.3 (academic progress) and 14.5.4 (transfer) are the one to read. I find the rules regarding academic progress very hard to understand. But it might be a good idea to have read these two rules before calling the NCAA so that you can have the relevant information about your son available during the call.
If you already have a D1 school in mind, it may be a good idea to get their compliance officer's opinion. It is likely that a critical issue will be the number and kind of credit hours at the JC which will be accepted by the D1 school. I suppose that varies from school to school.
I would contact the NCAA directly to understand your son's situation because it is not typical.
I don't think the NCJAA rules are relevant; what matters are the rules of the division he trying to transfer to.
The NCAA D1 manual has the actual rules. Rules 14.4.3 (academic progress) and 14.5.4 (transfer) are the one to read. I find the rules regarding academic progress very hard to understand. But it might be a good idea to have read these two rules before calling the NCAA so that you can have the relevant information about your son available during the call.
If you already have a D1 school in mind, it may be a good idea to get their compliance officer's opinion. It is likely that a critical issue will be the number and kind of credit hours at the JC which will be accepted by the D1 school. I suppose that varies from school to school.
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
I would contact the NCAA directly to understand your son's situation because it is not typical.
I don't think the NCJAA rules are relevant; what matters are the rules of the division he trying to transfer to.
My thoughts regarding the NJCAA site was because often there will be discussions there that clarify things/rules that affect the NJCAA schools. Good idea to call NCAA directly though.
There are some JUCOs that encourage RS and if this is a true change, it would change things quite a bit for those few schools.
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Re-checked this week (7/14/08)with my two best resources...good friend who is a JC counselor who knows the student athlete route, and a academic advisor who clears all (baseball and basketball) recruits at a high end I...tells the program who and who they have a chance to legally recruit/admit...
To the best of their knowledge, the 3 year JC route is still available and legal. However I would add that it is fraught wth pitfalls, and requires real attention and comittment to goal.
Without going into great detail....because every player should research with JC conselors, 4 year counselors, baseball programs and the NCAA to be certain in their own individual case...
The variables should include number of FULL Time grading periods, number of total units, # of transferrable units, GPA, % of degree complete, AA, "Qualifier" or not...
My understanding is that 3 years with 6 grading periods of full time requires a much higher % of degree completed (upper division units)which is perhaps the biggest, but not the only road block.
Again, still doable, but not a lot of wiggle room...
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Re-checked this week (7/14/08)with my two best resources...good friend who is a JC counselor who knows the student athlete route, and a academic advisor who clears all (baseball and basketball) recruits at a high end I...tells the program who and who they have a chance to legally recruit/admit...
To the best of their knowledge, the 3 year JC route is still available and legal. However I would add that it is fraught wth pitfalls, and requires real attention and comittment to goal.
Without going into great detail....because every player should research with JC conselors, 4 year counselors, baseball programs and the NCAA to be certain in their own individual case...
The variables should include number of FULL Time grading periods, number of total units, # of transferrable units, GPA, % of degree complete, AA, "Qualifier" or not...
My understanding is that 3 years with 6 grading periods of full time requires a much higher % of degree completed (upper division units)which is perhaps the biggest, but not the only road block.
Again, still doable, but not a lot of wiggle room...
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Just this weekend a dad of 3 former college ball players (2 of whom were drafted) told me we needed to look hard at JUCO instead of trying to get in DI out of high school. He said it would be a plus as well to go JUCO in the possibility that my son got drafted. Now I have a couple of questions. We're west of Richmond, VA and I'd like to be able to see my son play his college ball. Any good junior college programs we should be looking at AND is the recruiting process any different? I can't say that I've seen many junior college coaches at the tournaments and showcases my son has attended. btw he's a 2010 grad.
quote:We're west of Richmond, VA and I'd like to be able to see my son play his college ball. Any good junior college programs we should be looking at
According to the following link, there are no JUCO's in Virginia. However, there may be JUCO's in neighboring states. To find out, click on
http://www.baseballclearinghouse.net/index.html
and scroll down below the American Flag box that says "National Database." There are listings of baseball programs for every state, with a notation of what level the school is. Simply click on the states you are interested in and see what's out there.
Best wishes!
quote:O....... AND is the recruiting process any different? I can't say that I've seen many junior college coaches at the tournaments and showcases my son has attended. btw he's a 2010 grad.
In CA, the JC coaches have a physical recruiting limitation and can't contact players outside their "area"......unless the player calls the coach first. Thus, you don't see alot of CA JC coaches attending showcases etc, as it would be virtually pointless. Instead, many CA JCs rely on reputation, HS coaches, scouts and "friends" to give players their phone number to start the JC process.