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In the past year, on both this site and a local message board, I have read a number of posts in which a parent touts their child's college choice. For some, JUCO is the way to go; for others, a 4-year program is preferable. IMHO, each type of program has its advantages and disadvantages.

For the benefit of those who are still in high school, I thought it would be helpful to list the pros and cons. I'll start with some off the top of my head in the hope that my small, incomplete list will be supplemented by other posters.

JUCO
Pros - With the exception of California JUCO's, most if not all of tuition and other expenses is oftentimes covered; players usually get to start and generally get more playing time earlier; player can be drafted earlier than if they play for a 4-year program
Cons - At certain schools, education may be inferior; also, emphasis on academic success/progress may be diminished; at certain schools, a huge number of players may show up in the fall (80-100+) and many will be cut; recruiting process has to begin all over again in order to find a 4-year program at which to continue

4-year program
Pros - D1 programs typically have a higher level of play than JUCO's; entering as a freshman gives the coaching staff a chance to develop a player from the get-go; education and emphasis on academic success/progress may be superior; the recruiting process is done; player does not have to transfer to finish his education; roster sizes (for D1's at least) may be smaller than those at JUCO's
Cons - Freshmen especially can be at a disadvantage when competing against upperclassmen who have more experience and are more physically developed; less scholarship money/additional cost for players and parents; typically, no draft potential until end of junior year
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JUCO
Pro - You are just competeing with other Freshmen, Sophomores, and possibly red-shirt Sophomores for a position vs Freshmen-Seniors.

Con - You can be caught off gaurd in the spring with 4 year school players (Freshman, Sophomores, or redshirts with eligibility) coming back to a JUCO looking for playing time or another JUCO transferring from some other JUCO that they did not like.
I have stated that I will at the end of season write a review of junior college ball after my son completes his first season.

Pros of Juco:inexpensive,Get GE units done,small class sizes(which for some freshmen is a good thing)
For some students can get their academics in order if they were not before
can get bigger, stronger, faster and develop their baseball skills
Do get more chance to play right away
There are a lot of very good players playing at junior colleges many d1 guys that maybe got missed, or grade issues

Cons:As mentioned recruiting starts over(but the JC coach usually handles a lot of this if he is good)
Some kids are not good students and are only there for baseball
friendships made have to change year to year with guys coming and going
There are a lot of D1 kickbacks that you might not know about initially(I would want to be heavily recruited at a good JC program,)
Academics arent watched over as well as the D1 programs (see counselors, keep it in check)
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JUCOS - kids go to school only to play baseball, and go to class only because they have to..

D1s - (some) kids go to school only to play baseball


I think that's a rather unfounded blanket statement. Juco academics have a bad reputation but i think it's for the wrong reasons. Juco's offer the same core classes that Division I schools do. Will the workload be greater at a Division I school? Probably. But the material remains the same. Where kids run into problems is that they don't have the academic foundation that is available at a Division I school. Guys sign up for the classes that they want to at a junior college. At a division I school you have academic advisors that work strictly with the athletes ensuring that they're staying on their graduation path.

I think that pretty much every junior college offers a curriculum that could equal the classes that you would take your first 2 years at a Division I school. The problem is that guys don't sign up for them. Instead of knocking out 3 or 4 semesters to finish their foreign language requirements they take classes that are electives and probably won't transfer. That's where guys run into problems with the 20/40/60 rule. If you're taking weightlifting, baking, and the history of baseball then you're wasting your time. The guys that have an understanding of what they're doing and take real classes have no problems when they get out. It's always the electives that won't transfer over.

There are numerous junior college players who are there for reasons other than the fact that they didn't have the grades. Some guys are there cause they weren't ready to play at the Division I level. There are still academic requirements that have to be met in order to be eligible at a junior college. You can't just waltz in there with a D average and expect to be eligible. I don't know exactly what the standards are but they exist.

Saying that all junior college kids are there to play baseball only is crazy. Are there guys like that? Sure there are. But there are equally as many guys that take their academics seriously. We signed a kid out of a juco in Kansas that was a 4.0 student. He'll graduate this year, with it being his true senior year as a double major. We had 3 juco transfers on our team alone that were academic all conference.
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Where kids run into problems is that they don't have the academic foundation that is available at a Division I school. Guys sign up for the classes that they want to at a junior college. At a division I school you have academic advisors that work strictly with the athletes ensuring that they're staying on their graduation path.


That is essentially the problem.The coaches tell them to see counselors.He gives them lists of what they need to take.My son is a qualifer, so only needs 48 units.He has not had a cruz class.In order to get out of there with 48 he has to take all solids.If the kids would see the counselors like asked to there would not be problem. Your right , a lot sign up for units that mean nothing.I do agree that academic support isnt as good at JC.We have a pretty strict policy for our son.If he doesnt live up to it, there will be consequences.He is there to get his gen ed. done and develop as a player.He has seen a counselor each semester and then we sit down and go over his classes.
Too many parents just let the kids sign up for whatever, there are some guys my son plays with that lost chances at 4 years due to this and are now taking 18 units a semester to make up for it.
I have very limited experience with regards to college baseball but here are my observations of the Juco my son plays at; the head coach is a guidance counseler and requires all in coming freshman to take a 1 unit class with him that specifally focuses on what it takes acedemically to transfer to a four year colege, many 20 inning games in the fall allow all players to get playing time and every game has 3-5 four year college recruiters and 3-5 pro scouts present.
Pro - Opportunity to start in key position and play right away.
Pro - Low or no cost
Pro - Close to home to see games (I have seen 2 this week)
Pro - Draft Eligiblility
Pro - Core Classes out of way and will transfer (Coach has pride in his program's GPA and trys to maintain the highest GPA of all JUCO's in our region, with real classes, not ellectives, you are cut if you miss a test for example)
Pro - In Florida the competition is pretty good, although the pitching depth may be shallower and not at the level of top D-1's.
Pro - Lots of Games and Lots of exposure
Pro - No limitations on Coach involvement during fall like D-1's

Con - the need to transfer after 2 years and find a new home if not drafted.
Once again it depends on the coach as to how serious the kids are about going to class. I know of one coach who as a zero tolerance for NOT going to class. He is very popular with the Profs and the parents.
As a matter of fact this same school does have a drug testing policy. Do not paint all jucos with the same broad brush.
This school also only has 28 on their roster because they choose to let all kids get a chance to be on the field if possible sometime during the fall and spring season.
Thank you dannymac_18 and others for expressing my sentiments exactly! I get soooooo tired of people assuming that every JUCO player is there simply because a) he wasn't good enough to play D1 baseball or b) he wasn't smart enough to attend a D1. I have compared my son's curriculum to his brother's D1 curriculum and they are right in line with each other.

This is a wonderful thread. Thank you for starting it Infield08.
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Funny story...Son was in his class and finnished up his work early and had a project coming due in another class. He asked the professor if he could have permission to leave early which was granted. Shortly after leaving the Trainer came to his class to bring him in for a drug test. At practice the coach stated that my guy owed him 100 laps for missing class. My guy did not think it appropriate to make any excuse and proceeded to run. He completed 25 laps that afternoon. The following practice someone must have told the coach that he had permission to leave class early. Coach could not believe it and said something along the lines of "you jerk, why didn't you say something?!" I think he gained the admiration of the coach and his team mates that day.

So at some JUCO's the coaches do care about academics, they do care about discipline, and they do test for drugs and steroids.

And yes, I did enjoy the game today which was about an hour away from home.
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