Word is that this coach tried something similar two weeks ago at the WWBA Underclass Tournament. Keep in mind that this is tournament was for 2010 grads and younger, the coach tried to start a 2009 top level pitcher in the pool play round. I heard that the opposing coach knew who the pitcher was and put a stop to it before the game started. The Bandits went on to lose the game.
The game had started but the posted score was 5-0 because of the 5 inning game forfeit.
The coach in question has a very suspect reputation in the NJ/NY area. Seems most people don't like him and question his integrity. I have heard words like lowlife and scumbag been used to describe him. I have been told that he screams and heckles the opposing pitcher while coaching a base. Sounds like a nut case to me.
I have also read forums where parents defend him and his college contacts. Some people are still defending him today.
IMO rules are set and should be obeyed. If adults can't be trusted to follow the rules they shouldn't be granted the privilege to participate in such a prestigious event. If they are allowed to continue coaching, the event isn't as prestigious as we all thought.
Can someone answer this. Since a lot, if not most, of his players are from up north why are they called the South Florida Bandits.
The coach in question has a very suspect reputation in the NJ/NY area. Seems most people don't like him and question his integrity. I have heard words like lowlife and scumbag been used to describe him. I have been told that he screams and heckles the opposing pitcher while coaching a base. Sounds like a nut case to me.
I have also read forums where parents defend him and his college contacts. Some people are still defending him today.
IMO rules are set and should be obeyed. If adults can't be trusted to follow the rules they shouldn't be granted the privilege to participate in such a prestigious event. If they are allowed to continue coaching, the event isn't as prestigious as we all thought.
Can someone answer this. Since a lot, if not most, of his players are from up north why are they called the South Florida Bandits.
The coach is from South Florida.
Would it not be in the general publics interest to name this guy?
I don't have a dog in the hunt but this site has a wide viewership..let the idiot sell shoes or something.
Has PG made a public statement about this?
I don't have a dog in the hunt but this site has a wide viewership..let the idiot sell shoes or something.
Has PG made a public statement about this?
quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
What is "ratting" anyway? Please define it for me.
If someone or some team is "Cheating" and you bring it to the attention of an official, then you are a RAT?
So, the people that sit back and ignore this behavior, what are they called?
Rat is usually a term that is thrown around by people who do dubious things, who think there should be some lowlife code of ethics. The name for people without the guts to stand up to dishonesty is coward.
The coach who perpetrated this is scum. Parents that sat in silence that knew, are as slimy as the coach.
There is no rat here, only dishonesty, honorable action and then swift and fair retribution on PG's part.
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:quote:Originally posted by iheartbb:
What is "ratting" anyway? Please define it for me.
If someone or some team is "Cheating" and you bring it to the attention of an official, then you are a RAT?
So, the people that sit back and ignore this behavior, what are they called?
Rat is usually a term that is thrown around by people who do dubious things, who think there should be some lowlife code of ethics. The name for people without the guts to stand up to dishonesty is coward.
The coach who perpetrated this is scum. Parents that sat in silence that knew, are as slimy as the coach.
There is no rat here, only dishonesty, honorable action and then swift and fair retribution on PG's part.
I guess I watched too many Humphrey Bogart movies, but I did find:
Ratted: To betray one's associates by giving information.
But from the folks from Florida who seam not to like the coach, maybe "ratting" was the right word.
Kind of funny, but we always played one of the teams in the past and they would have multiple teams in events and we never knew who we were playing as they interchanged players all the time within events.
This forfeit will put PG in a tough spot. Holtzman (South Florida Bandits) puts most of his kids into many PG showcases and is a big $ generator for PG. He has an automatic bid to Jupiter. Sending 20-40 players to several PG showcases each year adds up. Banning him will mean lost revenue. However, I would think with the popularity and increasing national interest in PG events, he would not be missed.
Here is how the situation happened. I was told of a player by pro scout of a player that is not who he was. The situation for us was sickening and didn't really want any part of it, but knew we had to do something about it.
The player that was inelgible had played for another team earlier in the tournament. We will call him player B. Player A is the player who played earlier but left the tournament. I felt we had to say something. Player A is a DI player who may be a potential draft, where player B is not. Player B played in the game earlier and also the game with us. The scouts that are in attendance are thinking that Player B is A, so their reports and information are about player B. So if Player B is not really a DI pro prospect, then that hurts player A for the 2009 draft as a follow by the scouts in his area. They may not now go and see him because of player B was who they saw.
If anyone has something to say would be player A. This is not a good situation and I feel for player A who maybe not know anything about it.
HOMERUN....
It seems that you have information about our program and have something in it for us. If you know something and have some facts about what you say. Then let's lay everything out and let us know. It seems that people who are bitter like you say things online without any facts. One thing I can tell you is when we play in a tournament with multiple teams, we are very careful about our rosters so that people like you will not have any facts of what you say. So if you have some facts, let's lay it out.
The player that was inelgible had played for another team earlier in the tournament. We will call him player B. Player A is the player who played earlier but left the tournament. I felt we had to say something. Player A is a DI player who may be a potential draft, where player B is not. Player B played in the game earlier and also the game with us. The scouts that are in attendance are thinking that Player B is A, so their reports and information are about player B. So if Player B is not really a DI pro prospect, then that hurts player A for the 2009 draft as a follow by the scouts in his area. They may not now go and see him because of player B was who they saw.
If anyone has something to say would be player A. This is not a good situation and I feel for player A who maybe not know anything about it.
HOMERUN....
It seems that you have information about our program and have something in it for us. If you know something and have some facts about what you say. Then let's lay everything out and let us know. It seems that people who are bitter like you say things online without any facts. One thing I can tell you is when we play in a tournament with multiple teams, we are very careful about our rosters so that people like you will not have any facts of what you say. So if you have some facts, let's lay it out.
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Welcome aboard ABD!
Welcome aboard ABD!
ABD,
Thanks for that clarification and if it went down like you state, IMO you certainly did the right thing.
You run a great program and always place highly competitive teams into the tourneys, I am sure that you were not afraid that you would lose because of player B. I figurerd there had to be more to the story. You actully protected a player (A) who wasn't even on your team.
Wow, can you imagine, poor player A getting a bum rap because they thought Player B was him.
I would be FURIOUS.
Interchanging players is one thing, making people think someone is who he is not is totally wrong.
Thanks for that clarification and if it went down like you state, IMO you certainly did the right thing.
You run a great program and always place highly competitive teams into the tourneys, I am sure that you were not afraid that you would lose because of player B. I figurerd there had to be more to the story. You actully protected a player (A) who wasn't even on your team.
Wow, can you imagine, poor player A getting a bum rap because they thought Player B was him.
I would be FURIOUS.Interchanging players is one thing, making people think someone is who he is not is totally wrong.
It still amazes me how much emphasis is placed on a plastic trophy(EGO).
I thought summer coaches were about the players and not some Trophy(EGO).
I thought summer coaches were about the players and not some Trophy(EGO).
quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:
I thought summer coaches were about the players and not some Trophy(EGO).
Players have egos also. In fact if they don't like to win, they probably aren't players.
Winning a top tournament like Jupiter is worth doing, and is likely never forgotten by the players. The trophy itself isn't so important.
Little League Pledge.
Pledge
I trust in God
I love my country
And will respect its laws
I will play fair
And strive to win
But win or lose
I will always do my best
Public Caining, Is the only solution for Cheating Coaches.
And I might add that most of the Greedy people in the business world should suffer the same fate??
They don't understand this statement.
("I will play fair")
Pledge
I trust in God
I love my country
And will respect its laws
I will play fair
And strive to win
But win or lose
I will always do my best
Public Caining, Is the only solution for Cheating Coaches.
And I might add that most of the Greedy people in the business world should suffer the same fate??
They don't understand this statement.
("I will play fair")
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:
I thought summer coaches were about the players and not some Trophy(EGO).
Players have egos also. In fact if they don't like to win, they probably aren't players.
Winning a top tournament like Jupiter is worth doing, and is likely never forgotten by the players. The trophy itself isn't so important.
not by cheating? You OK with that?
“Everyone tries to define this thing called Character. It's not hard. Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking.”
Is it me or is it getting tiring to see the person (ABD coach) who brings cheating into the light then get tagged with ratting out the team. To me you are saying that the ABD coach did something wrong. There is only one person in the wrong here and that is the coach that cheated. The ABD coach should be commended for what he had to do. The cheating coach put not only his team,PG staff and most of all the ABD coach in a bad spot shame on him. I would be proud to have my son play for the ABD coach.
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What?
I didn't sneak anything.
On my face? You wanna' know what's on my face?
Nothing. Just a little character is all.
I didn't know you were looking.
quote:Originally posted by 20dad:
"Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking."
What?
I didn't sneak anything.
On my face? You wanna' know what's on my face?
Nothing. Just a little character is all.
I didn't know you were looking.
quote:Originally posted by ABD Bulldogs:
HOMERUN....
It seems that you have information about our program and have something in it for us. If you know something and have some facts about what you say. Then let's lay everything out and let us know. It seems that people who are bitter like you say things online without any facts. One thing I can tell you is when we play in a tournament with multiple teams, we are very careful about our rosters so that people like you will not have any facts of what you say. So if you have some facts, let's lay it out.
I don't have a dog in the fight as we were pretty sucessful at that time.
I would think you would not want to air dirty laundry but as for switching players details, we were playing in a tournament August 1st to 6th, 2005. There were three of your teams (you were not there) in the tournament and we were constantly seeing some of the same players playing against us for different teams.
Our coach for that team, his last tournament with our age group, complained to the onsite tournament director (one of the last one he did) that the players were being switched around. Nothing came about it and was told it did not matter. Some of the players we were seeing in that tournament were = edited by moderator =
first rounders in the 2006 and 2007 draft.
The last pool game one of the teams beat us 15 to 2 and we played the same team in the first round of the playoffs, we beat 11 to 0 (mostly different players) and we eventually won the tournament.
If you want the link to the tournament, let me know...
Oldtimer, you have a good memory.
PG now has a mess on their hands. Obvious this practice has been going on for some time in a lot of their events and this incident has brought this practice to light. We had a similar experience in a PG event in the NE Qualifier. A player we played against earlier played for a different team later in the tournament. Although reported, nothing was done.
PG needs to do a better job of policing the rosters so that a high level of integrity can be maintained and all teams can be assured of a level playing field. It's tough enough to play against MLB scout teams loaded with draft prospects flown in from all over the country to assemble just for Jupiter. I think this is another issue that will need to be addressed soon.
Scout teams are starting to dominate the competition in Jupiter as evidenced by the prior 2 tournament winners (Reds Scout 2006 & Braves Scout 2007 teams). I was happy to see ABD prevail over them, but they still had to have 5 AFLAC All Americans (& draft prospects)to accomplish it. Teams that need to qualify regionally and send local teams to Jupiter are being outclassed by MLB sponsored teams.
I hope ABD has changed this practice that has tainted the Jupiter tournament. I had a lot of respect for their organization. They bring a lot of talent to Jupiter and are always competetive.
PG now has a mess on their hands. Obvious this practice has been going on for some time in a lot of their events and this incident has brought this practice to light. We had a similar experience in a PG event in the NE Qualifier. A player we played against earlier played for a different team later in the tournament. Although reported, nothing was done.
PG needs to do a better job of policing the rosters so that a high level of integrity can be maintained and all teams can be assured of a level playing field. It's tough enough to play against MLB scout teams loaded with draft prospects flown in from all over the country to assemble just for Jupiter. I think this is another issue that will need to be addressed soon.
Scout teams are starting to dominate the competition in Jupiter as evidenced by the prior 2 tournament winners (Reds Scout 2006 & Braves Scout 2007 teams). I was happy to see ABD prevail over them, but they still had to have 5 AFLAC All Americans (& draft prospects)to accomplish it. Teams that need to qualify regionally and send local teams to Jupiter are being outclassed by MLB sponsored teams.
I hope ABD has changed this practice that has tainted the Jupiter tournament. I had a lot of respect for their organization. They bring a lot of talent to Jupiter and are always competetive.
My point was not to bring to light PG, they do a great job and deserve more than what some coaches do to win at all cost, it would be nice for coaches to play the game with honor and just play for the benefit for the players on the teams and give them the exposure they deserve.
I’m not trying to dilute the coach’s and kid’s culpability but where the heck are this kid’s parents??? 
Cheating is cheating, no matter what sheep’s clothing you put on it, black and white – no gray.
Shame on coach, shame on the kid, and shame on the parents.
Good for you ABD players and coaches.
ABD Bulldogs – you’re a class act in my book and you got the opportunity to play another class act in the championship. Hope you stick around.
Mike F – I’m with you.
Woody – You just crack me up!!!
Cheating is cheating, no matter what sheep’s clothing you put on it, black and white – no gray.
Shame on coach, shame on the kid, and shame on the parents.
Good for you ABD players and coaches.
ABD Bulldogs – you’re a class act in my book and you got the opportunity to play another class act in the championship. Hope you stick around.
Mike F – I’m with you.
Woody – You just crack me up!!!
Finally have a minute to post.
Even on our own site we had to delete some posts that were very obviously having the purpose to cut down us (PG). I see it starting here as well.
Here is what happened in Jupiter. Our field director was told (by the umpire) that a protest was made about an illegal player. The player was listed as someone who played the entire tournament with this team and of course the same number. We asked the player what his name was and if he had played on another team earlier in the tournament. He answered with his real name and also said he had played on a different team earlier. We immediately disqualified the team and ABD was the winner by forfeit. The game was tied with one inning left when this happened. It happened… we took action immediately… our most important decisions are always based on “fairness”… it has always been that way and always will be that way. That is not to say that everyone agrees with our decisions or that our decisions are always correct.
Now we have untold numbers coming out with stories as though this is a normal occurrence. Here is a story from last year’s World Underclass. I was not in attendance when this happened. I got a call that East Cobb was using an illegal player. The player in question was dominating the tournament and the opposing coach claimed he knew this player well and this was not the same kid. Despite the fact that we did know this kid, we stopped action because the opposing coach wanted absolute proof. The player in question did not have any proof with him at the time. His father, who was in attendance, had to take the time to get proof. In the end it all worked out and this same player ended up being named the MVP of the Tournament.
Back to this year’s forfeit… I really don’t think the player knew he was doing anything wrong. It is our belief that he didn’t even know he was listed as someone else on the lineup card. I believe he was only interested in playing more baseball and unaware of the rules. Had he been part of anything illegal, why would he have no problem telling us who he is and that he already played for another team. After all, our tournaments are different than most when it comes to rosters. Someone came up with the name “Showcase” Tournaments… Not sure I like that tag, but if so, this is the Grand Daddy of “Showcase Tournaments! Kids don’t always know all the rules and depend on adults at times. I see nothing gained by making this player’s name public. I don’t blame him for wanting to play if he was told it was OK. He made a mistake, but perhaps an honest one.
People need to keep in mind… the original purpose of this event is to give scouts and college coaches an opportunity to see many outstanding talented players. Not that it is a bad thing, but the tournament has turned into a highly competitive event that many want to win. The past winners include teams like East Cobb, Chet Lemon Juice, Houston Heat, etc. No one has ever won this tournament by cheating and no one has ever lost this tournament because of cheating!
The one thing that stuck out more than anything else was the player who had left and now was being represented as someone else. To us this is the biggest no-no of all! Sometimes these things have a way of causing improvement. We are already working on ways to improve roster difficulties. It seems that many teams are doing a poor job of turning in accurate rosters. This being an event geared to scouts and college coaches makes accurate rosters extremely important. We will be improving in this area.
It is odd how things work out sometimes. We have been around for 16 years. How many times has anyone read about all these supposed cheaters at these events. Then it happens and is brought to our attention and we rule on it immediately…. Then we hear about how this has been going on forever! I’m sorry, but if I’ve learned anything over all this time, it’s been the ability to sniff out an agenda from a mile away.
For the thousandth time… Perfect Game is not Perfect! But there is no question as to the results. People should be talking about things like a California team playing an Illinois team in the championship of the biggest scouting attraction in baseball. Or the final four teams including teams from California, Illinois, Texas, and Pennsylvania. Or the fact that no Florida or Georgia teams made the final 8. Yet in many years we hear from naysayers how the Florida teams and Georgia teams are getting all the calls and are placed in the easiest pools. How about the two favorites, Texas Scout Team and Braves Scout Team being on the same side of the bracket and meeting in the second round? It’s easy to find things to complain about in an event this big. Luckily most people look at it from a much different viewpoint.
The scouting attendance grows every year. We do not have an exact total, but adding up the number of scout packets, golf carts, and early signups, we know there were at least 700 scouts and recruiters in Jupiter this year. There were also over 100 sports agents! Things like this don’t happen at bad events where everyone is cheating! And we know we can always improve! Please do understand that there are some bitter people all over the country. We do have competitors who will jump at every chance to cut us down. And there are people who can post what they want without any retribution on most any message board they choose, including our own and this one.
Why is it that people feel the need to bring up money all the time. Yes it is expensive to make the trip to Jupiter for this event. We know this better than anyone because we are responsible for the gigantic staff, the umpires, the fields and grounds crew, and all the other costs associated with getting things done. People have complained about concession prices and golf cart prices this year. It is out of our control and we pay the same prices at the concession stand without any commission back.
Regarding the team involved… We will make a decision about that in the near future. It will not be based on how many players they send to our events. We do not need any one person to send players to our events or teams to our tournaments. On the other hand we are always interested in who the top players are… THAT is our business! As so many use this symbol $$$$ when posting, let me assure you… $$$$ are important to everyone and every business. But it is those who keep posting about $$$$ who are most dominated by $$$$. I do not allow $$$$ to get in the way of what we believe is right or wrong. Could give a great many examples that would prove that!
Thanks to the many of you who actually understand.
Even on our own site we had to delete some posts that were very obviously having the purpose to cut down us (PG). I see it starting here as well.
Here is what happened in Jupiter. Our field director was told (by the umpire) that a protest was made about an illegal player. The player was listed as someone who played the entire tournament with this team and of course the same number. We asked the player what his name was and if he had played on another team earlier in the tournament. He answered with his real name and also said he had played on a different team earlier. We immediately disqualified the team and ABD was the winner by forfeit. The game was tied with one inning left when this happened. It happened… we took action immediately… our most important decisions are always based on “fairness”… it has always been that way and always will be that way. That is not to say that everyone agrees with our decisions or that our decisions are always correct.
Now we have untold numbers coming out with stories as though this is a normal occurrence. Here is a story from last year’s World Underclass. I was not in attendance when this happened. I got a call that East Cobb was using an illegal player. The player in question was dominating the tournament and the opposing coach claimed he knew this player well and this was not the same kid. Despite the fact that we did know this kid, we stopped action because the opposing coach wanted absolute proof. The player in question did not have any proof with him at the time. His father, who was in attendance, had to take the time to get proof. In the end it all worked out and this same player ended up being named the MVP of the Tournament.
Back to this year’s forfeit… I really don’t think the player knew he was doing anything wrong. It is our belief that he didn’t even know he was listed as someone else on the lineup card. I believe he was only interested in playing more baseball and unaware of the rules. Had he been part of anything illegal, why would he have no problem telling us who he is and that he already played for another team. After all, our tournaments are different than most when it comes to rosters. Someone came up with the name “Showcase” Tournaments… Not sure I like that tag, but if so, this is the Grand Daddy of “Showcase Tournaments! Kids don’t always know all the rules and depend on adults at times. I see nothing gained by making this player’s name public. I don’t blame him for wanting to play if he was told it was OK. He made a mistake, but perhaps an honest one.
People need to keep in mind… the original purpose of this event is to give scouts and college coaches an opportunity to see many outstanding talented players. Not that it is a bad thing, but the tournament has turned into a highly competitive event that many want to win. The past winners include teams like East Cobb, Chet Lemon Juice, Houston Heat, etc. No one has ever won this tournament by cheating and no one has ever lost this tournament because of cheating!
The one thing that stuck out more than anything else was the player who had left and now was being represented as someone else. To us this is the biggest no-no of all! Sometimes these things have a way of causing improvement. We are already working on ways to improve roster difficulties. It seems that many teams are doing a poor job of turning in accurate rosters. This being an event geared to scouts and college coaches makes accurate rosters extremely important. We will be improving in this area.
It is odd how things work out sometimes. We have been around for 16 years. How many times has anyone read about all these supposed cheaters at these events. Then it happens and is brought to our attention and we rule on it immediately…. Then we hear about how this has been going on forever! I’m sorry, but if I’ve learned anything over all this time, it’s been the ability to sniff out an agenda from a mile away.
For the thousandth time… Perfect Game is not Perfect! But there is no question as to the results. People should be talking about things like a California team playing an Illinois team in the championship of the biggest scouting attraction in baseball. Or the final four teams including teams from California, Illinois, Texas, and Pennsylvania. Or the fact that no Florida or Georgia teams made the final 8. Yet in many years we hear from naysayers how the Florida teams and Georgia teams are getting all the calls and are placed in the easiest pools. How about the two favorites, Texas Scout Team and Braves Scout Team being on the same side of the bracket and meeting in the second round? It’s easy to find things to complain about in an event this big. Luckily most people look at it from a much different viewpoint.
The scouting attendance grows every year. We do not have an exact total, but adding up the number of scout packets, golf carts, and early signups, we know there were at least 700 scouts and recruiters in Jupiter this year. There were also over 100 sports agents! Things like this don’t happen at bad events where everyone is cheating! And we know we can always improve! Please do understand that there are some bitter people all over the country. We do have competitors who will jump at every chance to cut us down. And there are people who can post what they want without any retribution on most any message board they choose, including our own and this one.
Why is it that people feel the need to bring up money all the time. Yes it is expensive to make the trip to Jupiter for this event. We know this better than anyone because we are responsible for the gigantic staff, the umpires, the fields and grounds crew, and all the other costs associated with getting things done. People have complained about concession prices and golf cart prices this year. It is out of our control and we pay the same prices at the concession stand without any commission back.
Regarding the team involved… We will make a decision about that in the near future. It will not be based on how many players they send to our events. We do not need any one person to send players to our events or teams to our tournaments. On the other hand we are always interested in who the top players are… THAT is our business! As so many use this symbol $$$$ when posting, let me assure you… $$$$ are important to everyone and every business. But it is those who keep posting about $$$$ who are most dominated by $$$$. I do not allow $$$$ to get in the way of what we believe is right or wrong. Could give a great many examples that would prove that!
Thanks to the many of you who actually understand.
PGStaff, very well stated!
pg
pg events are top shelf and your a class guy. i'm saying this because i believe it, i have no kids attending pg events now or in the future.
every body has a hiccup in this life, it's how you deal with it that counts. sounds like you'll be fine.
pg events are top shelf and your a class guy. i'm saying this because i believe it, i have no kids attending pg events now or in the future.
every body has a hiccup in this life, it's how you deal with it that counts. sounds like you'll be fine.
PGStaff,
From what I have seen, the outrage is aimed at the cheating coach and team not PG. You guys run an outstanding event that is not only a great participant event, but an awesome event as a spectator. I think most people feel that the offending coach and team dissed the PG and baseball in general by their lack of integrity. An example should be made and made public, and maybe things like this will stop.
From what I have seen, the outrage is aimed at the cheating coach and team not PG. You guys run an outstanding event that is not only a great participant event, but an awesome event as a spectator. I think most people feel that the offending coach and team dissed the PG and baseball in general by their lack of integrity. An example should be made and made public, and maybe things like this will stop.
PGStaff,
Thank you for your post. As the vast majority of our members know, Perfect Game is always a class organization, and it's a shame that one or two posters in this thread would imply that decisions are motivated by money rather than fairness and what's best for the players. I'm in the unique position of being able to see some behind-the-scenes info in our forums, and Yes, often the "new members" who jump in anonymously with negativity are actually jealous competitors.
I've heard lots of reports so far from the Jupiter tourney - sounds like it was better than ever this year, and it was exciting to see a team from the midwest in the championship!
Julie
Thank you for your post. As the vast majority of our members know, Perfect Game is always a class organization, and it's a shame that one or two posters in this thread would imply that decisions are motivated by money rather than fairness and what's best for the players. I'm in the unique position of being able to see some behind-the-scenes info in our forums, and Yes, often the "new members" who jump in anonymously with negativity are actually jealous competitors.
I've heard lots of reports so far from the Jupiter tourney - sounds like it was better than ever this year, and it was exciting to see a team from the midwest in the championship!
Julie
PG,
Kudos to you and your staff for another job well done
Kudos to you and your staff for another job well done
If Jupiter Forfeits!!
Does that mean Pluto Gets Back in??
EH
Does that mean Pluto Gets Back in??
EH
PG,
Great post and great job. You and your staff exude integrity and fairness. I never doubted that you guys would let one bad seed ruin the crop.
Great post and great job. You and your staff exude integrity and fairness. I never doubted that you guys would let one bad seed ruin the crop.
PG,
Great job as always, it is unfortunate that coaches put you in a situation that you have to explain what you are doing for the best interest of the players and the events.
Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to the sport we love and our youths trying to meet their dreams!
Great job as always, it is unfortunate that coaches put you in a situation that you have to explain what you are doing for the best interest of the players and the events.
Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to the sport we love and our youths trying to meet their dreams!
PG...since we were eliminated by this wonderful Florida bunch we'd like to get a re do. Can you have everyone go back to Jupiter so we can get our fair shot?
The kind words are greatly appreciated. I love this site and it's because of the many good people who participate here.
Though I understand that controversial subjects often create the most interest, it sure seems odd that this disqualification is the most popular topic about the tournament.
To me the most amazing thing was teams from Chicago, St Louis, Pennsylvania, California, Texas, and the USA type scout teams among the final 8 in Jupiter Florida. (That has never happened before)
Of course, even more amazing was the fact that for the most part every game was played during a week with predictions of 90% chance of rain. We lucked out! Or was it skill?
Though I understand that controversial subjects often create the most interest, it sure seems odd that this disqualification is the most popular topic about the tournament.
To me the most amazing thing was teams from Chicago, St Louis, Pennsylvania, California, Texas, and the USA type scout teams among the final 8 in Jupiter Florida. (That has never happened before)
Of course, even more amazing was the fact that for the most part every game was played during a week with predictions of 90% chance of rain. We lucked out! Or was it skill?
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
People need to keep in mind… the original purpose of this event is to give scouts and college coaches an opportunity to see many outstanding talented players. Not that it is a bad thing, but the tournament has turned into a highly competitive event that many want to win.
It's pretty simple; the longer you're in it, the more likely your players will get seen.
Some people have no Idea how much PG has done for so many kids without a penny ever changing hands. They do things behind the scenes and never ask for recognition.
There are always haters out there. I have never seen an organization work so hard to have integrity. PG knows that for his business to thrive there must be integrity or his business will not thrive. It is a matter of survival. I think any haters need to recognize that holding an organization responsible for decisions of a couple of idiots is unfair. To insinuate that bad things are tolerated for the sake of a buck is not only ignorant, it is "Forrest Gump" stupid. jmo
There are always haters out there. I have never seen an organization work so hard to have integrity. PG knows that for his business to thrive there must be integrity or his business will not thrive. It is a matter of survival. I think any haters need to recognize that holding an organization responsible for decisions of a couple of idiots is unfair. To insinuate that bad things are tolerated for the sake of a buck is not only ignorant, it is "Forrest Gump" stupid. jmo
PG,
All of your events are top shelf and PG is the premier organization in the US for these kids. I'm sure all of the other teams appreciate your judgement and decisive actions. There is no other event like Jupiter and everyone involved wants to keep it special.
Good job! It takes a tremendous effort by the PG staff to make Jupiter a life lasting experience for the players.
All of your events are top shelf and PG is the premier organization in the US for these kids. I'm sure all of the other teams appreciate your judgement and decisive actions. There is no other event like Jupiter and everyone involved wants to keep it special.
Good job! It takes a tremendous effort by the PG staff to make Jupiter a life lasting experience for the players.
Nice to see that this thread has taken a decidedly positive spin.
Props to PG for handling the issue, and once again congrats to ABD for winning the biggest tourney in all of amateur baseball. Mike Spiers does a great job with that program year in/out, and he has my respect as a man with integrity and as a positive force in baseball.
Props to PG for handling the issue, and once again congrats to ABD for winning the biggest tourney in all of amateur baseball. Mike Spiers does a great job with that program year in/out, and he has my respect as a man with integrity and as a positive force in baseball.
Pure skill.
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quote:Originally posted by theEH:
If Jupiter Forfeits!!
Does that mean Pluto Gets Back in??
EH
I have confidence in not only Mr. Ford, but in his entire organization to deal with this matter fairly and justly as they see fit.
I for one, feel it is their call, and no one elses.
Anyone who has ever dealt with the Fords and/or the PG organization knows the level of integrity they put behind their name.
They have the facts.
The truth is in good hands.
CONGRATULATIONS to the Bulldogs and to all teams who came nationwide to participate in such a great opportunity for baseball!!
Just got through watching the video highlights.
Man,...what fun it must have been!!
I for one, feel it is their call, and no one elses.
Anyone who has ever dealt with the Fords and/or the PG organization knows the level of integrity they put behind their name.
They have the facts.
The truth is in good hands.
CONGRATULATIONS to the Bulldogs and to all teams who came nationwide to participate in such a great opportunity for baseball!!
Just got through watching the video highlights.
Man,...what fun it must have been!!
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
The kind words are greatly appreciated. I love this site and it's because of the many good people who participate here.
Though I understand that controversial subjects often create the most interest, it sure seems odd that this disqualification is the most popular topic about the tournament.
I think the reason for the topic popularity is because the many good people here care about young players.