Keller Signees

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DBall18...

I was under the impression that we don't post negative comments about players on this site. Your comments about Medlin are way off base and should not be allowed to stay here. What would possess you to say such a thing about ANY player? Maybe you should have stated it another way (leave the players name out)

I seriously doubt that Schlossnagle (sp?) would sign a player whom he didn't think had the potential to be a starter. Why would he, when there are so many to choose from? He obviously thinks the boy is legitimate D1 material.

My congrats to Kreder & Medlin.

DBall18,

You're out of line with the comment!
If you don't take down the post I would hope that one of the moderators does.

Anybody with an ounce of class would wish ANY player signing with ANY program the best of luck!

"Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."... Abraham Lincoln

Coached against Monk 2 years ago in the playoffs. Great player, great kid. Wish him the best of luck at TCU.

Coached both Monk and Brett. Both players come from first class families and Both players have worked very hard for what they have earned. Great job guys!

DBall18 …

First, IMO, Monk Kreder is the best high school catcher I’ve seen. Even if he wasn’t such a great hitter, he would be a welcome addition to any D1 program simply based on his DEFENSIVE abilities. He’s that good behind the dish. Monk’s not only a legit top D1 talent, my guess is that Coach Schlossnagle may be a little nervous about losing Monk to the draft.

Regarding Medlin, I’ll tell you what I know. He played for Sam Carpenter’s Dallas Mustangs team this summer and I heard he absolutely tore it up against elite competition. He moved from 2B to OF and batted lead-off all summer. Supposedly batted something over .400, stole a bunch of bases, several HRs,etc. Quite a few D1 programs were interested in him besides TCU. I heard that A&M offered him and heard he had offers pending from Tech and UH but decided to verbal to TCU early. All pretty strong D1 programs wouldn’t you say? Also, I would take assessments of his college potential from those respective coaches over yours any day. Why wouldn’t you congratulate the kid rather than slamming him in a forum like this? Or better yet, don’t say anything at all.

Regarding Edwards, rumor mill has it that he’s leaning towards JUCO, possibly Navarro, at this point.

so if someone's player skill level opinion is not of D1 caliber then it is perceived negative.....I think it is great he is going to TCU....but then, is a D2, D3,or J.C. level perceived as negative? The majority of HS players fall into these categories.I don't remember him being all-district, all-area, all-state,etc.....usually D1 scholarship players are somewhere on there....plus, he was moved from leadoff to ninth in the order at district season...is he better than Edwards who is just looking at Jr. Colleges?....since you have questioned my opinion...I am just stating a few facts of where my opinion is coming from....I have read many other opinions of kids playing levels on these forums...it is not meant to be a putdown to the kid.....sorry if I hurt a daddy's ego....it's a baseball game, not life or death !

DBall18,

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I don't remember him being all-district, all-area, all-state,etc.....usually D1 scholarship players are somewhere on there

So this is a requisite to be a legit D1?

certainly not a prerequisite....but a strong correlation...I really didn't mean to hurt any feelings, Mr. Medlin

To set the record straight, I am not Mr. Medlin.

....a strong correlation? How much merit do you believe all-district, etc. awards really have? They are very nice "atta-boys" and some districts handle the process in a very professional way, but some are too often politically influenced.

The issue is why you feel the need to question what a player has achieved.
It was you who said

quote:

but not a D1 at TCU?????....

"Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."... Abraham Lincoln

Personally,

I don't think coaches buy too much into the all-district stuff. Lots of politics there. They do there job and evaluate talent based on their needs and if the player can help. If the kid gets an offer, the school believes he can contribute. Trust me, unless something has changes lately there aren't enough scholarships to give to players who can't help.

I have to agree that DBall 18's posts on this subject should be removed. No need to put down a player.

If he knew what he was talking about anyway he would realize that a players ability many times has no bearing on whether he looks at D1 or JUCO. Many players choose JUCO because it allows them to re-enter the draft every year for example.

Congrtatulations to these young men.

Sounds like to me that the kid performed quite well on the Dallas Mustangs and that may have had significant impact on his scholarship offer.

I have always believed that performing well on a highly respected travel team is much more important than getting stats and honors on a HS team.

Stats and honors are great for the college bio but the scholarship is earned on the summer team and showcases/camps. JMO

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Originally posted by 04and10:
I have always believed that performing well on a highly respected travel team is much more important than getting stats and honors on a HS team.

Stats and honors are great for the college bio but the scholarship is earned on the summer team and showcases/camps. JMO

That's certainly been my understanding.

As far as the honors, I have seen a young pitcher whip up on weak competition in a weak district & get all sorts of recognition. Then on one of the good select teams in the summer, he ended up the number five pitcher (based on ERA & total runs allowed). While other pitchers at schools with great programs, and in tough districts, got no recognition.

The recognition is nice and always a compliment. But it doesn't make the ballplayer. {And that is even ignoring the politics & other factors.}

Leave town for business for one day and come back to this crud.

Listen, I don't know who you are, or what jealousy you bring to the table. Brett Medlin is a quality player, a quality kid and a quality student.

ANY D1 school would be HAPPY to have such a player/student/kid. ANY. You sir, and I use the term losely, are an idiot.

Sorry if I offended someone. And if a moderator wishes to remove my post, so be it. But I'm sick and tired of people wanting to come on here and bash a good kid.

And Scooter is the definition of a class kid, both on and off the field.

AND, you saying Kreder "could be a ligit D1 player" shows your ignorance.

Deleting your post may not be good enough for you, if I was a moderator, I'd ban your ***.

'could be' meaning that we will have to see after a few college years how he and all other signees are doing at their new colleges.....there are very few 'shoe- ins' or 'can't miss' college prospects......boy, you daddyballers really like to play your favorites....teams and 'daddy-sons' ...I am a neutral opinion, I don't have a son playing....I was just stating an opinion....if you can't handle it and have to get your moderator buddies to delete my opinions,fine, I assure you I will get over it.....actually, if you read back on some of your replies back to me, you might find some attacking comments and negativity from your own fingers

Dball, I don't have a dog in this fight either. So you will have to find some other aspect about me to criticize. I'm not from the DFW area & don't know the kids mentioned from Adam. {That doesn't preclude me from congratulating them on an outstanding achievement, however.} So you can't use that either.

But I still don't think you comments were necessary. Perhaps a more tactful approach would not have drawn such a strong response from so many.

What are your qualifications for coming on here and bashing a couple of good kids?

First time I even heard Monk Kreder's name was from a friend of mine that played D1 Ball. Said he saw Monk at a Mustang tryout his freshman year.

Know what this full ride ex D1 player told me? That the kid was good enough at 15 to play D1 ball.

This guys son was another catcher trying out for the team, and he took his son to another team because he knew Monk was the real deal.

And Medlin, when have you seen him play? Have you ever seen the kid run? Ever seen him chase a ball down in a big outfield? Ever watch him work a pitcher while on first base? Ever talked to him? He struggled a little at the plate his Jr. year, but from what I saw and heard about him this summer, he cleaned a few D1 prospect pitchers clock this summer for the Mustangs. He's doesn't have the big time name as Edwards and Kreder, but he is one of the cornerstones to his team.

But you are an expert. Expert enough to come on here and put two great kids down. I won't let you get away with it without calling you out on it.

I guess Coach Schlossnagle is a daddyballer too, huh? But I guess he's got plenty of scholarships to give away to a non deserving player. I bet he's hurting trying to recruit to such a great school with one of the best baseball facilities in the state. Especially in D/FW, where there is such little talent.

I forgot the cardinal rule on here......don't argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to their level.

I do apologize to all my original post upset....I was not trying to do that.....I thought I might get some detailed feedback....Instead, I stirred up a personal attack on me....interesting...and again, I am sorry for that...it was not my intent...I really am happy for all kids getting any kind of college deal.....as long as the dad isn't buying it.......and that does happen more than you maybe know....I guess that is probably part of what I was curious about

So now you appologize, and then insinuate that they are "buying" a scholarship?


Sheesh dude, you have a lot of tact.

How much is a scholarship worth? You have only 11.7 of them. I guess the Medlin's and the Kreder's are richer than I thought. Dang, need to ask their dads for a loan.

No dog in the fight here either...but I do luv Texas!!!

2 Points
1- Sounds like DBall is doing the T.O. apology ( T.O "Sorry if what I said upset some people")

2- This entire topic should be deleted. Seems some people are more interested in tearing down young men for no reason. Usually a sign of someone not willing to look in the mirror and seeing their own weaknesses or problems.

U can now rip me if u want

wow...kdad....you really lost it...I hope you feel better...I'll take it,it doesn't bother me, glad I could help...if you look back at my original post I was not trying to put the boys down.....I said Kreder could be a legit top D1....keyword is "top"...maybe you think he is because you know him?....I don't know him and it will be interesting to see if he does make it big...many great HS/select players don't ever pan out and some do....I know he is very good, I never put him down like you said I did....and I said I didn't think M. was a TCU D1.....I think he is more of a D2-3, or possibly starting out in J.C......that isn't a put down to play D1,2,or JC is it...those players are good too...I said I think he is a good player.....how can that be a put down....just a difference of opinions and I was man enough to apologize for a perceived misunderstanding..... and for that you put me down and attack?....so who has the problem?

Without getting into this discussion....guys -- enough please. I know, I know...."if you don't like the discussion then don't read it....yadda yadda". Let's move on. One opinion, no matter how inappropriately it was communicated, does not take away from the great accomplishments of these kids.

Let's focus on the positive and not distract from this special week.

TCU is happy, many new horned-frog families are happy. As for me, I wish PE was scrimmaging Keller.

alot of guys who posted here often didn't believe my son to be a top d1 player. Butt ole Mitch Abeita signed with Nebraska University. You never Know do you? I'm happy as can be

Wow,
Those s****r moms who take so much heat on this board got nuthin' on some of these Texas dads.... Brutal.

I think the replies to DBall18 are just as negative as the original posting. He clarified his comments. Let's move on.

In the context of all the all-district as a pre req for D-1 talk above - here is an interesting tidbit:

A kid from Amarillo signed this week with D-1 DBU. He played in 3, count-em 3, games as a JR. Not only was he not all-district, he did not even crack the starting lineup - was stuck as the # 6 guy on a really deep pitching staff.

He played well in summer ball for the Blacksox and was "seen" by a number of D-1s as his fastball started to live in the low 90s. Apparently turned down or at least discouraged, a late offer from a big 12 program because he had already committed to DBU.

The story is posted at http://www.texasbaseballnews.com

Point being that, right or wrong, the college coaches may be better judges of talent than the high school coaches or that circumstances may allow.

Okok, there are exceptions to most rules -- but I think it is reasonable to conclude that MOST D1 signees in Texas made (or will make) their district's all-star team. And this isn't a rehashed discussion about the politics of HS baseball, is it?

"Point being that, right or wrong, the college coaches may be better judges of talent than the high school coaches or that circumstances may allow." Again, there are exceptions...but I doubt that this statement will start much of an argument -- unless it comes from BigHit.

I agree with Panther Dad......let's don't start the bashing of the high school programs, coaches, "we don't need high school baseball", etc. that is so common on this forum.

I think that MOST baseball players are like my son - have not had ANY problem with his high school OR select coaches and enjoys playing for his school/community and also for his summer select team. I really think his story is the common one but of course "ordinary" is not very interesting.

Yes, there are bad high school coaches but I have seen just as many if not more bad summer coaches.

And in regard to "All District" selections making it in D-1 programs, just go to your favorite Big 12 baseball team website and view the bios of the rosters. There is a HUGE predominance of "All District", "All Area", All State", etc. Are those awards necessary to play D-1 ball? No, of course not. But to say they do not mean anything or offer a hint of projectibility is denying the facts of what is on most high profile D-1 rosters. Just because there are exceptions to the value of "All District" does not mean that these rosters are full of players who were passed over for "All District" and were 2nd string players on their high school teams. That just isn't the "normal" way things happen.

Well, I guess it’s time for Medlin’s dad to weigh in. So much for my cover! I've been a casual observer to the site for some time and have always found the discussion interesting and entertaining. This all takes on a different meaning when your kid’s name gets out there. Wow!

First, DBall18 has his opinion and he’s entitled to it. No problem with that.

I'd just like to say we couldn’t be more excited about our son's future at TCU and couldn’t be prouder of him. I’m confident that he will work as hard as he can. I don’t think you could ask for more. Plus he gets the added bonus of playing with one of his best buddies, Monk Kreder. How cool is that.

I think our situation is a testimony to the importance of summer ball exposure. Brett was blessed to play for Sam Carpenter this summer and got tons of exposure with college coaches. BTW, at my last count Sam's team has had 6 players commit, all to D1. Two to TCU, two to Tech, one to DBU and one to New Mexico State. Good for all those guys.

Any opportunity a kid has to play at the next level should be celebrated. Let’s congratulate all the kids in the area who have received scholarships and celebrate their successes. I can promise you the Medlins have already started to bleed purple .

I appreciate the passion with which some of you have ‘defended’ my son. I think I know who some of you are; others, I don’t have a clue but thanks for going to bat for him. KD, I’ll bet you had no idea what a nice congratulatory note would stir up! And to DBall18, again ‘no harm no foul’. I truly respect your opinion.

We look forward to a great 2006 at Keller and with the Dallas Mustangs. Let’s end this one here and we'll see you at the park.

...and now you are a FormerObserver.

Very nice post, frogdawg! Congrats to your son and I know how happy and proud you must feel. TCU will play my son's OU team a couple of times this year. This home and home series seems to have become a regular on the schedule. Maybe we'll get to meet sometime in the future.

Ann

My internet was down yesterday. Sorry. Congrats to Monk and Medlin.

Dball, your comments are not needed. To state that a kid who gets a D1 scholly is not d1 material is out of line. It also just proves your ignorance. I will not allow negative comments about kids. Just because you have an opinion does not entitle you to make it known here. Any attacks levled toward you were probably deserved. That is my opinion.

For the record, my son never made an all district, state, etc until his senior year. He had a full ride and got drafted. So what are those honors worth anyway? Nada. The Mustangs served us just fine.

Personally, I am so proud of Monk and have spoken with him several times. I love his talent and ability almost as much as I admire him as a person. Congrats.

Bighit15,

You calling someone on this board ignorant is also out of line. Your not much better than the individual your criticizing if you start name calling. The poster has apologized and the father of the player has accepted and responded by saying
"no harm, no foul". You need to move on like the father has.

ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

And shall we have a rejoinder for thats-a-balk?

Time to close this thread down?

From the rejoinder,

tech-ni-cal-i-ties aside
it still con-sti-tutes to
name calling.
The thread is now closed!!

All have a good day!