eyefortalent1, don't kidd yourself. Perfect game employees are not the only ones watching. Just check the 2012 oral commit list. Quite of few 2012 have already committed. More than a few colleges are finished with their 2011 class.
Not to sound too "1984", but someone is always watching!
Another thing that I have noticed as far as Colleges and the PG Rankings go, is that right after the NLI period is over, schools list the signing of their recruits on their websites and reference either PG's Ranking or they list where the player is ranked in the nation or state and it is the same number as the PG Ranking number. Perfect Game is a huge tool for the colleges in the baseball recruiting process because of limited funds for traveling to see individual players in actio at their individual high schools. The link below is one of the many that I am talking about.
Georgia Tech 2009 Signings
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/s...c-rel/111809aab.html
Georgia Tech 2009 Signings
http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/s...c-rel/111809aab.html
Obviously worth the investment for those kids. When is the best time to participate--after fresh, soph, junior, senior, or all three?
Eye, yes you have to attend a PG event to get ranked. Either a showcase or one of their tournaments. To see the ranking you must subscribe to one of their levels. They will continually add people a couple times a year. It's clearly not the end all be all for a scholarship, but it helps. I would guess you won't always agree with what you see in the rankings but they do the project-ability deal which you and I are not privy to! More pitchers are ranked that anything else. Fast is good as well you get 6.5 or faster and you are going to be ranked high. The hitting has always been a fun one for me. A guy would be ranked pretty high and is a "top hitter" in their analysis, but you see him hit .200 at a big event. There is some lobbying that goes on from some of the bigger programs (travel). Long and short though is that if they rank someone high and they don't preform it typically comes down to lack of effort or a kid gets hurt. PG use to rank everyone that attended their event, now they only do top 500 for the JR-Senior Class. But on the draft side they do more that 500. I subscribe because there is a lot of information there to process. Plus when you are with one of the National Programs it's nice to see what you're going to run into, plus what they say about your players. I probably won't do it after my son graduates from college, but for now it's a way to keep up and pass the time with all this SNOW!!!
NHSVikingDad,
Some of what you have said is correct, but players should know that it is not mandatory to attend a PG event in order to make the rankings. I will say that it helps only because we obviously are more accurate the more we see a player. Then again we are wrong at times. However, we have and will always rank players based on what we think not whether they've attended a PG event or paid anything.
That said, I understand why people think players must attend a PG event. It's because so many of those ranked do attend. However, they are not ranked because they attend, they are ranked because we feel they belong.
Maybe this link will explain why so many of those who have attended PG events are ranked... MLB Draft Picks
I think maybe you meant receiving an actual "grade" rather than "rank". Only those that attend a PG event are graded. Reason being... We see what we need to grade at the events and we don't always see all the same things when we attend a game or tournament.
Also we still rank thousands of players, but we keep the numbered ranking to the top 500, 1 thru 500. There could be a thousand or more in the next group. In years past it became apparent that all those ranked from 501 to 2,500 were good college prospects but it was hard to differentiate the player ranked #998 from the player ranked #2128. In fact sometimes #2128 would end up being more successful. So now we lump them all in that group. Guess you could say they are all tied at 501.
Also, nearly every year there is a player or two that gets selected in the first few rounds that we didn't have ranked. So while the rankings have proven to be pretty accurate, we still can miss a player. Usually if we miss a player, all the other lists will miss him too, because most lists out there are compiled by looking at the PG rankings. They know it's a legitimate list and it will always be the first and biggest list for every class. So it isn't the end of the world whether someone is ranked or identified by PG, but it sure can help.
Funny thing is that some people think I'm crazy for explaining this stuff. They think it would create more business for us if people were under the impression they had to attend a PG event in order to be ranked. Problem is... that just wouldn't be true!
Some of what you have said is correct, but players should know that it is not mandatory to attend a PG event in order to make the rankings. I will say that it helps only because we obviously are more accurate the more we see a player. Then again we are wrong at times. However, we have and will always rank players based on what we think not whether they've attended a PG event or paid anything.
That said, I understand why people think players must attend a PG event. It's because so many of those ranked do attend. However, they are not ranked because they attend, they are ranked because we feel they belong.
Maybe this link will explain why so many of those who have attended PG events are ranked... MLB Draft Picks
I think maybe you meant receiving an actual "grade" rather than "rank". Only those that attend a PG event are graded. Reason being... We see what we need to grade at the events and we don't always see all the same things when we attend a game or tournament.
Also we still rank thousands of players, but we keep the numbered ranking to the top 500, 1 thru 500. There could be a thousand or more in the next group. In years past it became apparent that all those ranked from 501 to 2,500 were good college prospects but it was hard to differentiate the player ranked #998 from the player ranked #2128. In fact sometimes #2128 would end up being more successful. So now we lump them all in that group. Guess you could say they are all tied at 501.
Also, nearly every year there is a player or two that gets selected in the first few rounds that we didn't have ranked. So while the rankings have proven to be pretty accurate, we still can miss a player. Usually if we miss a player, all the other lists will miss him too, because most lists out there are compiled by looking at the PG rankings. They know it's a legitimate list and it will always be the first and biggest list for every class. So it isn't the end of the world whether someone is ranked or identified by PG, but it sure can help.
Funny thing is that some people think I'm crazy for explaining this stuff. They think it would create more business for us if people were under the impression they had to attend a PG event in order to be ranked. Problem is... that just wouldn't be true!
Thanks PG, I did not know you could be ranked without attending any event. I guess all the ones I have checked out did for obvious reason. And yes I should have use grade instead of rank. That is what I was trying to ramble into. I do think ya'll do a good job that's why I subscribe.
Just saw this thread, I live in Alexandria and went to a lot of TC's games. Kilby's numbers were legit; he had a great year, dont take anything away from the kid. I know his family well. And those of you who have asked, he is uncommitted as of now but has some D1 offers.
Heck of a slugger. Nobody doubts that. Which D1 schools have offered?
Navy offered him back in August and Lafayette offered as well. Last I heard was that he's choosing between Harvard, Navy, Yale, and Penn
Not to sound sarcastic, but I wonder if PG had Kilby ranked. He's a good player.
He is in the Virginia High Follow List.
Also,
I see him in the Draft 2010 State by State Follow List.
Listed as Group 4 Player - Low-round draft, potential draft, solid college prospect, high-school players with college commitments.
Player Group 4
Matthew Kilby OF Sr. R-R 6-3 195 T.C. Williams Alexandria, VA
Hope this Helps.
Also,
I see him in the Draft 2010 State by State Follow List.
Listed as Group 4 Player - Low-round draft, potential draft, solid college prospect, high-school players with college commitments.
Player Group 4
Matthew Kilby OF Sr. R-R 6-3 195 T.C. Williams Alexandria, VA
Hope this Helps.
For PVI, google "Paul VI Catholic High School Baseball" and the team site will pop up and you can read about team and individual successes. PVI has won 3 VISAA Div I state titles during Coach Emerson's tenure there. They have been especially good since 2007, when they lost the WCAC title to Good Counsel in a bit of a fluke and lost the State title to St. Christopher's. In 2008 PVI won the SBC Championship in SC, was the WCAC season champ but lost in the semifinals of the tournament to BI, then went on to beat St. Christopher's at State. Last year PVI won the SBC, the WCAC, and the State.
Their best year for Div I talent was probably 2008, when 8 of the 9 seniors signed letters to play for Div I schools (the only one who did not went NAIA because of some academic questions, but he was definitely Div I talent). I have no idea if any of these kids made it big, but I suspect that Verdin (UGA), Murakami (UMaryland), and Bowers (ECU) are all doing well. In fact, I watched Verdin in the College World Series, starting as a freshman, so I know he is doing well.
PVI's current team should be dominant, though in the WCAC, St. John's, DeMatha, Good Counsel, O'Connell, Gonzaga, and BI will all do everyhing possible to beat the Panthers. They go about 6 deep in quality starting pitching and their hitting lineup should be awesome.
You mention Frezza and Kianka as PG prospects. Frezza is big and is a pitcher-only sort of player (not a good hitter or fielder). He can throw well over 90 mph. His two question marks are his control and his health. He has suffered many injuries at PVI and seems never to be 100%. Kianka is a 5 tool talent. He should hit .400 this year (only about .150 as a sophomore), have 5 HRs (0 as a sophomore) or more, and steal 25 bases. He has great arm strength and speed, but needs to work on the glove. He is Div I talent all the way IF he can get the grades and IF he wants it (a question mark in his case).
Did PG leave Lansing Veeder off of its list? If so, that is a mistake. He, too, is a 5 tool talent who should play Div I baseball, even if he is only 5'5". He can play 3B, 2B, occasional SS, and any outfield position. He also pitches. If he has a season like he did on that champion 2008 team, as a freshmen, I don't know if PVI will lose a game. He is their leader and their key.
Their best year for Div I talent was probably 2008, when 8 of the 9 seniors signed letters to play for Div I schools (the only one who did not went NAIA because of some academic questions, but he was definitely Div I talent). I have no idea if any of these kids made it big, but I suspect that Verdin (UGA), Murakami (UMaryland), and Bowers (ECU) are all doing well. In fact, I watched Verdin in the College World Series, starting as a freshman, so I know he is doing well.
PVI's current team should be dominant, though in the WCAC, St. John's, DeMatha, Good Counsel, O'Connell, Gonzaga, and BI will all do everyhing possible to beat the Panthers. They go about 6 deep in quality starting pitching and their hitting lineup should be awesome.
You mention Frezza and Kianka as PG prospects. Frezza is big and is a pitcher-only sort of player (not a good hitter or fielder). He can throw well over 90 mph. His two question marks are his control and his health. He has suffered many injuries at PVI and seems never to be 100%. Kianka is a 5 tool talent. He should hit .400 this year (only about .150 as a sophomore), have 5 HRs (0 as a sophomore) or more, and steal 25 bases. He has great arm strength and speed, but needs to work on the glove. He is Div I talent all the way IF he can get the grades and IF he wants it (a question mark in his case).
Did PG leave Lansing Veeder off of its list? If so, that is a mistake. He, too, is a 5 tool talent who should play Div I baseball, even if he is only 5'5". He can play 3B, 2B, occasional SS, and any outfield position. He also pitches. If he has a season like he did on that champion 2008 team, as a freshmen, I don't know if PVI will lose a game. He is their leader and their key.
[quote]He should hit .400 this year (only about .150 as a sophomore), have 5 HRs (0 as a sophomore) or more, and steal 25 bases.
My response is not directed towards Kianka - whom I believe is a great player - but, rhobbs, seriously - what are these projections???? Coulda Coulda Coulda?
My response is not directed towards Kianka - whom I believe is a great player - but, rhobbs, seriously - what are these projections???? Coulda Coulda Coulda?
justakid: predictions are guesses based upon varying degrees of evidence. In this case, the evidence is Kianka's one season as a varsity starter in one of the areas toughest conferences as well as his performance on his last two travel teams (which I watched closely). He has more than enough talent to hit .400 in the WCAC. He has more than enough talent to hit 5 HRs (6 or 8 even). He has more than enough talent to steal 25 bases in a season. There is simply no doubt about this kids' natural athletic abilities. However, the evidence also suggests that something is missing from the mix. This level of talent, as a sophomore playing varsity, should have resulted in something much better than a sub .150 season with 0 HRs. That something was confidence, desire, determination, intelligence or something else. If, in the last 9 months, he has found that last ingredient and added it to the mix, he will be a dominant player for PVI. He has as much natural ability as any 2011 playing in the WCAC or Northern Virginia. Yes, that is guesswork, but it is informed guesswork based upon observation of this player in about 60 games in two years. It is the same sort of guesswork I would use to predict that Albert Pujols will hit over .320 and have 35+ HRs this year, barring injury. The predictions on Pujols, of course, are based upon much more evidence, but with a HS player, the evidence is always limited.
Wow...poor kid!!!
How about you let the kid prove himself before you project him out to be a superstar???
How about you let the kid prove himself before you project him out to be a superstar???
rhobbs,
There are points of agreement that I have in your analysis of that kid, but I find it highly inappropriate for you to identify him by name and then question his character, intelligence, etc.
Whatever you post on the internet will probably be here in one form or another forever (probably even if the site administrator takes it down), so now that particular piece of character malignment of a 17 year old kid will be there to be read by not only by recruiters and scouts in the near-term, but also future employers, his children, etc. All they'll have to do find it is google his rather unique name.
Nice job, champ.
There are points of agreement that I have in your analysis of that kid, but I find it highly inappropriate for you to identify him by name and then question his character, intelligence, etc.
Whatever you post on the internet will probably be here in one form or another forever (probably even if the site administrator takes it down), so now that particular piece of character malignment of a 17 year old kid will be there to be read by not only by recruiters and scouts in the near-term, but also future employers, his children, etc. All they'll have to do find it is google his rather unique name.
Nice job, champ.
I can't say that I am shocked that eyefortalent and Number41 have proferred these responses. I have been on web forums long enough to know that there will always be a certain element out there that insists on reading into any post something malignant. In my posts, I praise the kid as a five tool talent more than capable of playing Div I baseball at the higher levels. I laud his speed, power, arm strength. The ONLY thing I do to allow you to read into my posts something negative is ask the simple question about what was missing from his game as a sophomore that resulted in this level of talent producing these numbers. That is a valid question. I don't say he lacked ANYTHING. I ask what might have been missing last year (inferring that he has probably solved it for this year). I look forward to his posting a .400+ average, 25 stolen bases, and 5+ homeruns. I look forward to watching him play for two years at PVI then I wish him well at the higher levels. And somehow, in all of this, you CHOOSE to find something negative in my posts.
Here, is this better: Kianka is the perfect player with the perfect life who will play perfectly all the time. Anyone who disagrees shall not post to the contrary because to do so will guarantee that the CIA or Secret Service won't hire him someday because they will find anything you post via Google. So, if you cannot agree he is perfect, then don't post. Is that better, boys?
Seriously, what world are you living in? That my asking what may have been missing from his game last year will impact his future job opportunity? Good grief. Please put the aluminum foil back over your windows, put the pasta strainer back on your heads, and allow still further deep conspiracy theories to wander about the dark recesses of your brains.
Here, is this better: Kianka is the perfect player with the perfect life who will play perfectly all the time. Anyone who disagrees shall not post to the contrary because to do so will guarantee that the CIA or Secret Service won't hire him someday because they will find anything you post via Google. So, if you cannot agree he is perfect, then don't post. Is that better, boys?
Seriously, what world are you living in? That my asking what may have been missing from his game last year will impact his future job opportunity? Good grief. Please put the aluminum foil back over your windows, put the pasta strainer back on your heads, and allow still further deep conspiracy theories to wander about the dark recesses of your brains.
First off, I would agree with all of you that Kianka is a very good high school player. He should have a great year and PVI should win alot of games.
Second, I would agree with Hobbs here. He does nothing but praise the kid. He asks why the numbers weren't better last year, but so what? That seems like a good question. But he also answers that question by suggesting that Kianka found the extra "ingredient to put into the mix" to put it all together. I see what Hobbs posts here as very high praise. Heck, he seems to be Kianka's biggest fan.
Third, why would any employer or college coach care whatsoever what some anonymous poster put onto a high school baseball website? Really. Who cares? Stuff gets posted to these threads thousands of times every day, and I, for one, would not even look for anything on these websites, much less hold anything on them against someone.
Fourth, and most interesting, is what are the proper player characteristics to talk about on a high school baseball forum? Certainly, we all talk about power, speed, velocity, size, strength, contact, agressiveness, leadership. . . so, when Hobbs asks about the missing ingredient (he listed, I recall, determination, desire, will--that sort of thing), what is wrong with that? We talk about the purely physical talents of players. We also talk about the intangibles all the time. Hobbs did not even talk about "character." He asked what might have been missing (and never even guessed at what was missing). This all seems a proper area of discussion to me.
Fifth, getting back to sluggers in Northern Virginia, and talking about PVI, what about Tyler Costello? He singlehandedly bailed PVI out against BI last spring in the WCAC Championship Game. If he plays full-time as a position player, it seems reasonable to expect him to hit better than .400 and have 5 HRs (those are the numbers we are using with Kianka). And Lansing Veeder--didn't he have five HRs as a freshman? What was his batting average? Seems to me that PVI is loaded.
Second, I would agree with Hobbs here. He does nothing but praise the kid. He asks why the numbers weren't better last year, but so what? That seems like a good question. But he also answers that question by suggesting that Kianka found the extra "ingredient to put into the mix" to put it all together. I see what Hobbs posts here as very high praise. Heck, he seems to be Kianka's biggest fan.
Third, why would any employer or college coach care whatsoever what some anonymous poster put onto a high school baseball website? Really. Who cares? Stuff gets posted to these threads thousands of times every day, and I, for one, would not even look for anything on these websites, much less hold anything on them against someone.
Fourth, and most interesting, is what are the proper player characteristics to talk about on a high school baseball forum? Certainly, we all talk about power, speed, velocity, size, strength, contact, agressiveness, leadership. . . so, when Hobbs asks about the missing ingredient (he listed, I recall, determination, desire, will--that sort of thing), what is wrong with that? We talk about the purely physical talents of players. We also talk about the intangibles all the time. Hobbs did not even talk about "character." He asked what might have been missing (and never even guessed at what was missing). This all seems a proper area of discussion to me.
Fifth, getting back to sluggers in Northern Virginia, and talking about PVI, what about Tyler Costello? He singlehandedly bailed PVI out against BI last spring in the WCAC Championship Game. If he plays full-time as a position player, it seems reasonable to expect him to hit better than .400 and have 5 HRs (those are the numbers we are using with Kianka). And Lansing Veeder--didn't he have five HRs as a freshman? What was his batting average? Seems to me that PVI is loaded.
It appears PVI has the "Team" slugger title. I use the term appears. Time will tell.
hummmmmmm.......
It appears, due to the conditions of our fields, either games will be canceled or the schedule will be compressed. Thus, effecting pitching by scheduling three or four games in a row and double-headers on the weekend.
Will we see better batting averages?
It appears, due to the conditions of our fields, either games will be canceled or the schedule will be compressed. Thus, effecting pitching by scheduling three or four games in a row and double-headers on the weekend.
Will we see better batting averages?
Not to sound like a jerk, but I think folks need to take their finger off the panic button right now with regard to fields in Northern Virginia.
There are no games scheduled to be played for a month!! That is a very long time for a field to become playable. The guess here is that a lot of well-organized programs will have fields that will be playable (although not perfect by any means) come March 23rd, when district games start are supposed to start in the NR.
Scrimmages are very much in doubt and there wont be very many outdoor practices for a lot of teams before things crank up, but there is an awfully long way to go before anyone even has to think about cancelling any games or messing with the schedule.
There are no games scheduled to be played for a month!! That is a very long time for a field to become playable. The guess here is that a lot of well-organized programs will have fields that will be playable (although not perfect by any means) come March 23rd, when district games start are supposed to start in the NR.
Scrimmages are very much in doubt and there wont be very many outdoor practices for a lot of teams before things crank up, but there is an awfully long way to go before anyone even has to think about cancelling any games or messing with the schedule.
Private schools have games as early as 13 March, maybe earlier. I think they are already lost to the field conditions. We would need 20 straight days of dry, warm weather with a stiff wind to make the area fields playable by 13 March.
Agree 13LHPdad on the pitching being a premium. PVI is stacked in that area, too. Costello, McGee, Ruffin, Veeder, Kidd, Frezza. . .
Agree 13LHPdad on the pitching being a premium. PVI is stacked in that area, too. Costello, McGee, Ruffin, Veeder, Kidd, Frezza. . .
We've definitely gotten the rain here...nothing too heavy, but steady, so I think it will help get rid of the snow...and its supposed to be windy this weekend, so that will help with drying out the field if the snow is gone...
I got to drive by a couple of fields today that on a route I don't normally take and it looked like there was between 6 and 12" left on the ground, so we definitely have had some good melting...We MIGHT be OK if we don't get too much snow / precipitation later this week...
Meanwhile, at least tryouts got started inside today, so we're headed in the right direction!
I got to drive by a couple of fields today that on a route I don't normally take and it looked like there was between 6 and 12" left on the ground, so we definitely have had some good melting...We MIGHT be OK if we don't get too much snow / precipitation later this week...
Meanwhile, at least tryouts got started inside today, so we're headed in the right direction!
At Bishop Ireton our first scrimmage is March 8th and our first game a couple of days after that. We're going to be struggling to get our first couple of games in IMO.
Last year, we had some impact freshman (Palma) that could hit with the best.
Anyone know a freshman that might have the same impact??
Anyone know a freshman that might have the same impact??
I hope they have one on my son's team...
There's usually two or three out there...........
I heard Hayfield sluggers hit the fence four times and two homeruns, eventually beating South County.
With Kenny Towns making an early statement, this could be a challenging year for NOVA pitchers.
With Kenny Towns making an early statement, this could be a challenging year for NOVA pitchers.
13LHPdad--Are you saying that Hayfield beat So Co in a scrimmage or in a regular season game?
quote:Originally posted by rhobbs:
13LHPdad--Are you saying that Hayfield beat So Co in a scrimmage or in a regular season game?
Not 13D, but it was a scrimmage. They then hit 3 HRs (I think - could've been 4) in the follwing night's home opener vs. Oxon Hill.
I've read some posts that talk about about sluggers and thought I would bring this one back.
Which sluggers are "dialed in" as we head into districts next week?
Which team(s) has more than one slugger to watch out for?
Which sluggers are "dialed in" as we head into districts next week?
Which team(s) has more than one slugger to watch out for?
quote:Originally posted by 13LHPdad:
I've read some posts that talk about about sluggers and thought I would bring this one back.
Which sluggers are "dialed in" as we head into districts next week?
Which team(s) has more than one slugger to watch out for?
Riley Beiro of McLean already has 4 or 5.
Gald he's not in our district! 
I heard the catcher at SC has 5.......
That is because there are always 50 mph winds blowing out at South County.
Name?
The kids name is Perez and he is a 2011. He hit four home runs in their spring break tourney in SC and was named tournament MVP. He is a nice young man as well.
sullyfan if you knew the South County field you'd realize that the wind hardly ever blows out. Last game had a swirling wind that helped the pitchers for about 4 innings....The winds don't start blowing out until it gets progessively warmer. Perez hit all his homers in South Carolina so your jealous comment is way off base. If your good enough to hit homers at SC, you can hit them anywhere....
Confirmed with a parent at SC, golfball is correct, he hit 4 during South County's spring break tourney in South Carolina and the other was hit at the South County field.
quote:Originally posted by golfball:
Lake Braddock 14
TC Williams 3
Sophomore's Parker & Church pitch a good game for Lake Braddock. #32 for TC hit a monster home run in the 2nd inning.
Anyone have a name for TC's #32?