Hey I’ve got a novel idea… instead of teaching them to hit a curveball, what to throw on a 2-1 count, or how to execute the wheel bunt defense… somebody teach them these:
"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
SIX: 'You shall not murder.'
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
My personal favorite is number 5… but maybe they should spend a little time on number 8.
This is truly a tragic… saying this with all humility… there is a lot more to the story leading up to the headlines… parents are probably great people… not pointing fingers… this might be a great place to start getting back on track… pray for these two… they're gonna need it.
You're absolutely right Smokey...I do hope that their situation will head off in the right direction now.
With that said I also believe that their actions and the consequences should not be lost on the rest of us and especially not lost on all of the up and coming young ball players.
This could be a very powerful learning experience for everyone.
And the Golden Rule applies here also..."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." — Jesus.
With that said I also believe that their actions and the consequences should not be lost on the rest of us and especially not lost on all of the up and coming young ball players.
This could be a very powerful learning experience for everyone.
And the Golden Rule applies here also..."Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." — Jesus.
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It's been my observation through the years, being around youth baseball, that stealing, particularly from teammates or the baseball program, is not tolerated at all...and that is as it should be.
Alas, I wish this were always true. Unfortunately, based on experience, I know it isn't. I hope that you are right that the adults did not know of this, particularly the coaches.
I think it says something about Ray Tanner and the SC program that his will not be tolerated, period. I expect these guys to go on some pretrial intervention, do some community time and be playing somewhere else next year.
I remember back when the Fla. State kid was stealing from, I believe, Wal-Mart. Did he and his accomplice do any time? I don’t remember it being in the news.
I remember back when the Fla. State kid was stealing from, I believe, Wal-Mart. Did he and his accomplice do any time? I don’t remember it being in the news.
There is no respect in today's society.You have to live/stay way off the beating path nowadays to raise your kid to have respect. The only problem is that is nearly impossible with cell phones, computers, im's, pm's,500 tv channels & most of the shows aren't re-enforcing respect.Can you name 5 TV shows that give a good message for ANY age person? It is a constant battle for us as parents to keep our children's heads screwed on right.I tell mine that when you are in a peer- pressure type situation,be true to YOURSELF,as you WILL have to live with it for the rest of YOUR life!
3up-3down:
Well for us real old timers...can you remember seeing something like this on the 'black and white' TV screen and trying to figure out the message?
I do happen to wholeheartedly agree with everything you said...it's a tough and rapidly changing world...and at times it is very difficult to know what exactly to do as a parent...but we try.
quote:Originally posted by 3up-3down:
Can you name 5 TV shows that give a good message for ANY age person?
Well for us real old timers...can you remember seeing something like this on the 'black and white' TV screen and trying to figure out the message?
I do happen to wholeheartedly agree with everything you said...it's a tough and rapidly changing world...and at times it is very difficult to know what exactly to do as a parent...but we try.
If they were on the football team, I guess they would run some laps an just miss a couple of games.
Smokey -
You mean there is something more important than baseball?????
Who'd of thunk it?
Great post and SO TRUE.
I've told my son that going to college is great and all and playing baseball is nice, but I want you be praying and reading your Bible when you get your degree.
"He is no fool that loses what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" Jim Eliot - Missionary to the Auca Indians. Killed trying to reach them with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Tim Robertson
You mean there is something more important than baseball?????
Who'd of thunk it?
Great post and SO TRUE.
I've told my son that going to college is great and all and playing baseball is nice, but I want you be praying and reading your Bible when you get your degree.
"He is no fool that loses what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose" Jim Eliot - Missionary to the Auca Indians. Killed trying to reach them with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Tim Robertson
If they were football players, they would just transfer to FSU. Bobby would embrace them.
A coach once told my son "You are not better than the rest of the kids because your an athlete, but you have to act better than all of the kids. You have to think before you act and act like your thinking. If you don't want to meet those goals do something else" Man I was mad about him talking to my son that way. He was providing a little shame because my son had talked to another player rudely (OK he was 12)In looking back it was the best medicine that my son could have received. I sent him the article on the boys who got in trouble, he hasn't responded to me but he is at practice getting ready to go on a road trip with his college team. I just want to reinforce that coaches great advice given 7 years ago. As I have gotten older I appreciate the concept that it has taken the whole community of parents, teachers, coaches and many many others to raise my sons. I appreciate that my sons best friends mom grounded him for doing something that she thought he should not do, and I supported her and my son stayed home for two weeks as a Sophomore in HS. I appreciate the college coach who has towed a strong line with this Freshman catcher and pulled him from a game because of a moment of attitude when he grounded out. But I also catch my breath everytime that I read about problems such as these and those at Duke a couple of years back and hope that as parents we do not have to face these type of issues
I lived in the area Fuller went to school in. He has always been a trouble maker around here. If I remember correctly he originally went to Lassiter then got kicked off the team for bashing a car window because this person talked to his girlfriend a good bit. Then he went to Kell. I'm not surprised at all that this happened although it is really sad. Definately the best pitcher I've ever faced.
Thanks for the 'first hand' account KayMart4.
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Over the front door at the US Air Force Academy:
We Do Not Lie, Cheat, or Steal... Nor Do We Tolerate Those Amongst Us Who Do.
And yet it happens even there.... the only difference there, is that being an athlete doesn't protect you from Honor Code violations. In a case like this USC deal... you could be dealing with residency in a little resort called Leavenworth.
cadDAD
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Over the front door at the US Air Force Academy:
We Do Not Lie, Cheat, or Steal... Nor Do We Tolerate Those Amongst Us Who Do.
And yet it happens even there.... the only difference there, is that being an athlete doesn't protect you from Honor Code violations. In a case like this USC deal... you could be dealing with residency in a little resort called Leavenworth.
cadDAD
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i wouldn't be surprised to see them end up at another school playing ball. if the are that good. just seems to happen.
20dad,
Based on who has screwed up and where they are playing, you are correct.
Based on who has screwed up and where they are playing, you are correct.
These kinds of threads tend to bother me on several fronts.
If they were the last guys on the bench, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
If they played at the D-III level, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
If we had a good idea about what happened, we probably wouldn't be talking about it (for fear of being called as a witness and/or somehow becoming part of a legal situation).
Many/most of us here have high school or college-age sons, so we know any numbers of things can happen that could put them in a similar situation. You hope it won't happen to you/your son, but you never know. Not for sure.
It is a unfortunatly and sad story and can be a cautionary tale. But, as some have referred to faith in this case, I believe there is a line that goes something like this:
"Let he without sin ..."
If they were the last guys on the bench, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
If they played at the D-III level, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
If we had a good idea about what happened, we probably wouldn't be talking about it (for fear of being called as a witness and/or somehow becoming part of a legal situation).
Many/most of us here have high school or college-age sons, so we know any numbers of things can happen that could put them in a similar situation. You hope it won't happen to you/your son, but you never know. Not for sure.
It is a unfortunatly and sad story and can be a cautionary tale. But, as some have referred to faith in this case, I believe there is a line that goes something like this:
"Let he without sin ..."
You're right...those on the bench don't get much attention...those at the lower levels don't get much notice...those at the top get plenty...why?
Because that's what sells newspapers...when the top performers do well, they get the attention...when the ones at the top fall from their lofty perch, a perch they have earned...that sells even more newspapers.
We have four kids who play baseball and softball. They've never been on anyone's radar screen...and likely they never will.
If they do well, then they get a pat on the back...no press. If, heaven forbid, they find themselves in a mess and they get in trouble and have to sort it out then that's what they will have to do...no fanfare...no press.
The rise and fall of the famous will always attract attention...right or wrong.
I happen to agree with you OldVaman...this should serve as a cautionary tale...and with the negative press, it will.
I also think that these two boys, if they are so inclined, will be helped by finding their faith...they do need help.
Because that's what sells newspapers...when the top performers do well, they get the attention...when the ones at the top fall from their lofty perch, a perch they have earned...that sells even more newspapers.
We have four kids who play baseball and softball. They've never been on anyone's radar screen...and likely they never will.
If they do well, then they get a pat on the back...no press. If, heaven forbid, they find themselves in a mess and they get in trouble and have to sort it out then that's what they will have to do...no fanfare...no press.
The rise and fall of the famous will always attract attention...right or wrong.
I happen to agree with you OldVaman...this should serve as a cautionary tale...and with the negative press, it will.
I also think that these two boys, if they are so inclined, will be helped by finding their faith...they do need help.
Top of the ladder means being in the brightest spot light. Goes with the territory.
When one from the top falls,..there are uncountable numbers waiting in the wings to
fill that spot.
Law of nature I suppose.
When one from the top falls,..there are uncountable numbers waiting in the wings to
fill that spot.
Law of nature I suppose.
quote:Originally posted by OldVaman:
You hope it won't happen to you/your son, but you never know. Not for sure."
Again---"There, but for the grace of God, go I."
Smokey, I just read your post of some sort of "rules"----what a great idea!!!!
Why didn't I think of those???
i agree whole heartedly. that is why i try not to post a judgement on these types of things.it usually backfires on ya. but i do believe they will play someplace else if they want to, just the way it goes. and if the make it right and pay their price there is no reason they shouldn't.
quote:by OvM: These kinds of threads tend to bother me on several fronts ...Many/most of us here have high school or college-age sons, so we know any numbers of things can happen that could put them in a similar situation. You hope it won't happen to you/your son, but you never know. Not for sure
your thoughts sure got me scratching my headyou did nail one in that "a parent hopes it never happens to their kid" ... and that alone seems enough reason to discuss it imo.
as I looked back over the topic for folks "casting stones" at these players, none stood out ... what DID stand out were the many parent/kid dialogs which the incident sparked - certainly a healthy situation & a heckofalot better than burying your head in the sand
by oVm: "If we had a good idea about what happened, we probably wouldn't be talking about it (for fear of being called as a witness and/or somehow becoming part of a legal situation)"
this wasn't "he-said she-said" or "heard it thru the grapevine", there was an ABUNDANCE of news reports (inc Baseball America) and they were pretty specific offering a fair amount of detail, including reference to police/court docs - it'd be unusual to be called as a witness for reading the paper
"by OvM: "If they were the last guys on the bench, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
If they played at the D-III level, we probably wouldn't be talking about it."
no matter who they were, if it related to baseball AND IF ANDY can find it & post a link, we'd prolly talk
btw, there are plenty of DIII parent/websters AND non-starter parent/websters here on the board
their kids are just as important as 1rst round talent
20dad:
I agree with you fully concerning the boys being given the opportunity to pay their debt and redeem themselves. That's how our society works...and that's good. How well they are able do this will determine the intensity of the stain they have splashed on their character.
I would like to think that this stain would be very faint by the time anyone decides to offer them an opportunity in baseball.
To start a new baseball cliche..."The baseball is on their field"...they've got to make the most of it...it's going to go into extra innings before it's over!
I agree with you fully concerning the boys being given the opportunity to pay their debt and redeem themselves. That's how our society works...and that's good. How well they are able do this will determine the intensity of the stain they have splashed on their character.
I would like to think that this stain would be very faint by the time anyone decides to offer them an opportunity in baseball.
To start a new baseball cliche..."The baseball is on their field"...they've got to make the most of it...it's going to go into extra innings before it's over!
sadly, when I talk to mine about grand theft, b&e, burglary & the other "normal felonies" I have to cover some other bases as wellquote:by Bee: what DID stand out were the many parent/kid dialogs which the incident sparked -
Ohio U lady soc-cer player dies in fall fom balcony
sadly added later
Student had climbed balconies before
Wow Bee>...I was going to write some 'smart alec' response to your post uuntil I opened the link you displayed.
How very, very sad. It happens. And it happens to kids you expect, as well as those you don't.
It's a needless loss of a precious life, regardless if it is expected or not.
Solution? That's a tough one. Shut down the partying at 'Spring Break'? The only sure thing is...if she hadn't been there this would not have happened.
Thanks for the sobering story Bee>.
How very, very sad. It happens. And it happens to kids you expect, as well as those you don't.
It's a needless loss of a precious life, regardless if it is expected or not.
Solution? That's a tough one. Shut down the partying at 'Spring Break'? The only sure thing is...if she hadn't been there this would not have happened.
Thanks for the sobering story Bee>.
Bee and others
Believe me, I know this was news (it's what I do for a living). I would have published it, too, and given the charges it probably would have received significant placement.
But, without delving into too much specifics, comments made about wondering if the accused had issues in the past were in my opinion uncalled for in this forum. Unless you've done your own reporting and actually found something factual that would make a difference.
I also am not comfortable with some of the preachy, teach-your-kid-not-to-do-this-or-you're-bad-parents attitude of some when this kind of stuff happens. If you need an incident like this to talk to your children, with all due respect, you've screwed up already. That ship should have sailed a while back. If you're talking to your kid after each/many of these incidents, you probably need to shut up.
At some point, and I'd like to believe it comes well before college, they are their own person. Sure, a reminder "don't be stupid" is fine (my father said that to me into my 40s), but if we've done a good job earlier, it shouldn't have to be anything more than that.
For all the great things we do on these boards, this is one where I think too many folks spend too much time trying to make the world think they're great parents.
I say: Don't work so hard at it. You're already here.
Believe me, I know this was news (it's what I do for a living). I would have published it, too, and given the charges it probably would have received significant placement.
But, without delving into too much specifics, comments made about wondering if the accused had issues in the past were in my opinion uncalled for in this forum. Unless you've done your own reporting and actually found something factual that would make a difference.
I also am not comfortable with some of the preachy, teach-your-kid-not-to-do-this-or-you're-bad-parents attitude of some when this kind of stuff happens. If you need an incident like this to talk to your children, with all due respect, you've screwed up already. That ship should have sailed a while back. If you're talking to your kid after each/many of these incidents, you probably need to shut up.
At some point, and I'd like to believe it comes well before college, they are their own person. Sure, a reminder "don't be stupid" is fine (my father said that to me into my 40s), but if we've done a good job earlier, it shouldn't have to be anything more than that.
For all the great things we do on these boards, this is one where I think too many folks spend too much time trying to make the world think they're great parents.
I say: Don't work so hard at it. You're already here.
Bee, the balcony falls were an epidemic a few years back during spring break in Florida. Thankfully it has subsided. Hopefully no one else does something as regretful as the poor OU girl.
I agree with OldVaman and Bee.
We were all kids at one time. I never expected my kids NOT to do certain things, just because they were kids. We had limitations, you mess up, you pay the consequences. We made it quite clear that if they got in really bad trouble, they better run and hide from us first. FEAR ME! Some kids don't have fear of anything these days.
We tried to teach our kids to RESPECT themselves as well as OTHERS, with some discussion, without preaching. This included respect to your body and mind, what you ingest, smoke or inject.
I NEVER expected that my children would steal from anyone, physically hurt anyone, cheat anyone. We never talked about those things when they went off on their own, because we felt we had given them a good moral foundation as they were growing up.
Without getting preachy, 'cause I am not the model parent, all one really has to do in life is teach their children to be respectful of themseleves as well as others and establish a good sense of moral values. It's a complicated world, the less complicated you make it, the easier they understand the consequences.
Don't go crazy thinking that your kids will NOT ever mess up, 'cause they will. Most of the time, you won't even know about it.
As far as this being under discussion, yes it is because these were two highly recruited players on a team that is ranked #1 in some polls, #2 in other polls from a top D1 program in the country. But it happens everywhere, with more focus on some places and not on others.
We were all kids at one time. I never expected my kids NOT to do certain things, just because they were kids. We had limitations, you mess up, you pay the consequences. We made it quite clear that if they got in really bad trouble, they better run and hide from us first. FEAR ME! Some kids don't have fear of anything these days.
We tried to teach our kids to RESPECT themselves as well as OTHERS, with some discussion, without preaching. This included respect to your body and mind, what you ingest, smoke or inject.
I NEVER expected that my children would steal from anyone, physically hurt anyone, cheat anyone. We never talked about those things when they went off on their own, because we felt we had given them a good moral foundation as they were growing up.
Without getting preachy, 'cause I am not the model parent, all one really has to do in life is teach their children to be respectful of themseleves as well as others and establish a good sense of moral values. It's a complicated world, the less complicated you make it, the easier they understand the consequences.
Don't go crazy thinking that your kids will NOT ever mess up, 'cause they will. Most of the time, you won't even know about it.
As far as this being under discussion, yes it is because these were two highly recruited players on a team that is ranked #1 in some polls, #2 in other polls from a top D1 program in the country. But it happens everywhere, with more focus on some places and not on others.
OldVaman;
I'm glad to know that a newsman would find this story worthy of printing.
As for as the two player's past behavior...I think everyone was speculating only...myself included. Speculation is just that...it's not fact. I don't think anyone tried to portray speculation as fact. One member reported a first hand account of competing against one of the boys and he had an opinion about his competitor. I appreciated that insight and opinion.
As a parent I was searching for a reason as to why this could happen to what appears to be two very talented kids with a very promising life ahead of them. It really is difficult to figure out. This could very well happen to any of our kids...regardless of how well we think we have taught them right from wrong.
My observation on the lack of shame anymore in our society is valid, in my opinion. With shame being mostly absent it makes being a parent more difficult these days. A valuable tool is missing, unfortunately.
I don't know what makes you so uncomfortable with using the misfortune these two managed to create for themselves as a beneficial learning experience for the rest of us. What better than an incident like this to teach our kids? Isn't this a good spot to bolster past attempts to teach them? This occurred within the baseball community, a community we all have an interest in and pay attention to. Our kids will take notice.
You are telling us, parents here on the HSBBW, that we are too late to the classroom if we have to rely on an incident like this to teach our children. Given the actions of these two kids are you suggesting that their parents didn't do a good job in raising them? I don't think this is what you meant, but it appears that way to me.
None of us are too old, or too wise, not to learn something new. Why not glean something positive from this sad story? Having an attention grabbing and a bit shocking incident like this to utilize as a learning experience that can benefit others is a positive thing.
I have kids from age 11 to age 19...they can hopefully learn from this. So long as I feel that I can have a positive impact on my kids I will...my ship will never sail.
I'm not perfect...far from it. My kids aren't perfect...far from it. I like to think that we're headed in the right direction though.
TPM...nice post!
I'm glad to know that a newsman would find this story worthy of printing.
As for as the two player's past behavior...I think everyone was speculating only...myself included. Speculation is just that...it's not fact. I don't think anyone tried to portray speculation as fact. One member reported a first hand account of competing against one of the boys and he had an opinion about his competitor. I appreciated that insight and opinion.
As a parent I was searching for a reason as to why this could happen to what appears to be two very talented kids with a very promising life ahead of them. It really is difficult to figure out. This could very well happen to any of our kids...regardless of how well we think we have taught them right from wrong.
My observation on the lack of shame anymore in our society is valid, in my opinion. With shame being mostly absent it makes being a parent more difficult these days. A valuable tool is missing, unfortunately.
I don't know what makes you so uncomfortable with using the misfortune these two managed to create for themselves as a beneficial learning experience for the rest of us. What better than an incident like this to teach our kids? Isn't this a good spot to bolster past attempts to teach them? This occurred within the baseball community, a community we all have an interest in and pay attention to. Our kids will take notice.
You are telling us, parents here on the HSBBW, that we are too late to the classroom if we have to rely on an incident like this to teach our children. Given the actions of these two kids are you suggesting that their parents didn't do a good job in raising them? I don't think this is what you meant, but it appears that way to me.
None of us are too old, or too wise, not to learn something new. Why not glean something positive from this sad story? Having an attention grabbing and a bit shocking incident like this to utilize as a learning experience that can benefit others is a positive thing.
I have kids from age 11 to age 19...they can hopefully learn from this. So long as I feel that I can have a positive impact on my kids I will...my ship will never sail.
I'm not perfect...far from it. My kids aren't perfect...far from it. I like to think that we're headed in the right direction though.
TPM...nice post!
I think what he is trying to say, I could be wrong, is that if you begin teaching respect and morality at an early age, when things like this come along, it should not have to be used as a reminder, because you should have instilled those values in your children from the day they entered this world.
JMO.
JMO.
That interpretation makes senseTPM. It really does.
I will be the first to admit that even given a great foundation the kids can still screw up...it's far less likely, but it can and does happen.
I will be the first to admit that even given a great foundation the kids can still screw up...it's far less likely, but it can and does happen.
I do understand what you're saying there, but because "you do it for a living" it may be that you have a different perspective. (or maybe it's mequote:by OvM: comments made about wondering if the accused had issues in the past were in my opinion uncalled for in this forum. Unless you've done your own reporting and actually found something factual
)I'm not reporting or investigating ... I just grab a cup of coffee/keyboard and wander over to the "backyard cyberfence" to chew the fat with the neighbors & catch up on the news
appologize if I ruffled something
Perhaps I do have a different view on things like this because I am in journalism.
I know how words can hurt. I've used words that hurt. I know that sometimes, that's part of my job. I know that if I have to use words that hurt, I better have done everything I can to make sure items I claim to be fact have been verified to the best of my ability. And that any opinion I offer be explained within the context of the facts I have found.
That's just the way I've tried to conduct myself as a professional. Sometimes, my business fails miserably at this, and we are properly taken to task for it.
So if it's all about baseball, all is fair game. This isn't about baseball, though, so I'm not so sure.
As far as the parenting stuff is concerned, I just don't see this as a teaching opportunity. I have five kids ages 9-22.
I do believe there are far better arenas than this to instill value systems. This might be a good venue for some, and I will defend your right to use it.
But I would ask that if that is what you feel you need to do, please consider your words in the context of not only your audience, but of the subjects and subject matter.
I know how words can hurt. I've used words that hurt. I know that sometimes, that's part of my job. I know that if I have to use words that hurt, I better have done everything I can to make sure items I claim to be fact have been verified to the best of my ability. And that any opinion I offer be explained within the context of the facts I have found.
That's just the way I've tried to conduct myself as a professional. Sometimes, my business fails miserably at this, and we are properly taken to task for it.
So if it's all about baseball, all is fair game. This isn't about baseball, though, so I'm not so sure.
As far as the parenting stuff is concerned, I just don't see this as a teaching opportunity. I have five kids ages 9-22.
I do believe there are far better arenas than this to instill value systems. This might be a good venue for some, and I will defend your right to use it.
But I would ask that if that is what you feel you need to do, please consider your words in the context of not only your audience, but of the subjects and subject matter.
And if that was preachy, I probably should be shot.
quote:I just don't see this as a teaching opportunity. I have five kids ages 9-22.
a) agree, not a teaching op, but a reminder of how a couple bad judgements can escalate out of control quickly
b) w/5 kids howtheheck did ya get access to a computer??
(nevermind, just saw the 3 am post & others at work)
I find it interesting that a member of the journalism community would try to get folks to curb an open discussion about a leading news story of a sports specific nature, including the various angles. No offense intended, just curious.
Amen on the 3 am comment.
And VaMan: One man's teaching moment is another man's (or moms) a. time out chair
b. hickory stick across backside
c. tongue lashing
d. you'll get your cell phone back in 2 weeks
I mean, parenting is such a fluid situation... Oh, i gotta go, my 8 year old is trying to tie the dog up with his brother's Sunday kahakis....
And VaMan: One man's teaching moment is another man's (or moms) a. time out chair
b. hickory stick across backside
c. tongue lashing
d. you'll get your cell phone back in 2 weeks
I mean, parenting is such a fluid situation... Oh, i gotta go, my 8 year old is trying to tie the dog up with his brother's Sunday kahakis....
OV,
Although I do not disagree with you, this is what I meant in my first post. When you do stupid things that will bring attention to yourself and your family, speculation of your past WILL to some, come into question.
When both of mine began HS, I told them ONE thing. I know you might screw up, but if it is ever that bad that you have to make a call from jail, don't CALL. I said the same thing to them, that my parents said to us. I never had to repeat it again.
Too many kids nowadays, do as they please, to hurt others, without thinking, because they never had to really think before, mom and dad took care of that, mom and dad protected them, even when they were WRONG. Mom and Dad overlooked lots of things and today I find that, when a child is talented (in anything) some parenting tends to be overlooked.
It's happening everywhere, everyday.
Although I do not disagree with you, this is what I meant in my first post. When you do stupid things that will bring attention to yourself and your family, speculation of your past WILL to some, come into question.
When both of mine began HS, I told them ONE thing. I know you might screw up, but if it is ever that bad that you have to make a call from jail, don't CALL. I said the same thing to them, that my parents said to us. I never had to repeat it again.
Too many kids nowadays, do as they please, to hurt others, without thinking, because they never had to really think before, mom and dad took care of that, mom and dad protected them, even when they were WRONG. Mom and Dad overlooked lots of things and today I find that, when a child is talented (in anything) some parenting tends to be overlooked.
It's happening everywhere, everyday.
quote:Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Amen on the 3 am comment.
And VaMan: One man's teaching moment is another man's (or moms) a. time out chair
b. hickory stick across backside
c. tongue lashing
d. you'll get your cell phone back in 2 weeks
I mean, parenting is such a fluid situation... Oh, i gotta go, my 8 year old is trying to tie the dog up with his brother's Sunday kahakis....
Trojan,
You are so right. It is all different for different folks - and who knows what works and what doesnt.
For me - I stayed out of trouble for a very logical reason.
I did not want to give my Dad the opportunity to knock me out with a solid right cross.
And I also didnt want to give my Mom the opportunity to beat me with a wooden object after I was knocked out by dad.
That pretty much did the trick for me. LOL