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Hello - Well I am sure this has been posted a thousand times - hopefully the gurus here will take time to help me out :>Wink I never played baseball and never really watched it until a couple years ago when my son start playing rec ball. My father who loves baseball kept telling me we needed to get him in to playing because he was left handed and always had a strong arm.

So we did. And now he is 12, in 7th grade and was just accepted onto a 13U AAA (he was playing 12U AA so he is moving up) team because he is a lefty who actually loves baseball and can throw hard and well.

Through this new team my eyes are beginning to be opened up to the whole world of making your high school baseball team, summer camps, scouting, and on and on. The coaches are emphasizing getting the boys ready for their high school try outs.

I feel a little lost as to what to do to help my son realize this opportunity he seems to have that I am only now becoming really aware of. I do have him working with an ex-minor league left handed pitcher and he is helping to fine tune is throwing motion, etc. He is throwing in the upper 50s/lower 60s if not a bit higher at times with pretty good control.

Right now he goes to a small private school where the high school team will not be very good or get a lot of notice (I don' think anyways). So we are trying to figure out what to do. So I have a few questions if anyone can lend some guidance:

1. Should I be considering having him switch to our local public high school that has a good baseball program if he really wants to get noticed?

2. Should I be planning camps or other summer activities for him after the select spring season is over?

3. He is a very good hitter as well and good at first - he was batting 4th and hit 1000 over two tournaments, lots of doubles, triples, etc. - should we keep working on hitting as well? or should I lean more towards pitching with our time?

4. From what I can read it sounds like the junior year is really when we would want to look at show cases and other types of ways to get noticed - is there anything we should be considering before that?

5. His one weakness is foot speed - its not super slow but its not fast. He isn't over weight or anything - just not real quick - it will probably get better as he matures. Is that an issue?

6. Anything else :>Wink

Really - I am a baseball neophyte. I don't want to do the wrong thing for my son who I adore and love very much. If he really has the talent and potential everyone seems to think he does I realize I need to figure out the best path for him and make sure I head him in the right direction.

Thanks!

Lost Dad
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Take a deep breath, walk around and just relax. He is 12; baseball should be fun.

You send your son to school to get an education, grow as a young man and to prepare for the next phase of his life. Whether public or private you and your entire family will make the best decision for your son's future.

At age 12, your son should play baseball for the joy of the game. If that means one team or more he will tell you what he feels he can do.

As to hitting, pitching and any other aspect of the game the more he plays the more he will learn and improve.

Don't worry about footspeed, he is still growing and his body will adjust.

Now take another deep breath, smile and enjoy the next few years; it will go by quickly.
If he's in 7th grade now, I don't think you really need to be worrying about what's going to happen when he'sa Junior in HS.

Pick school based on education, if he's good enough when the time comes, the HS team he plays for won't matter that much when it comes time to evaluate college athletic options.

Travel/select/whatever ball varies a lot by region, as does HS/Middle School ball. For near-term future guidance it's handy to find someone local a year or two ahead (my son's travel coach has an older boy a year ahead of my son in school, for instance) to give you advice. A lot of HS around here run summer camps, which at the very least are important to attend the summer before freshman year. That might be the best place to start in the near term.
Lost Dad:

Welcome! You'll find a lot of opinions and posters around here....the vast majority good and helpful (but a few irritating ones too!).

In my opinion:

1. No. Don't change your kid's school JUST because of baseball. If baseball is just one factor in an otherwise education-based decision, that's fine. But not just for a sport. If he is good enough, he WILL be found.

2. Put him in camps or summer activities that will teach him, help him improve and that he'll enjoy.

3. Absolutely. Especially as a 1B, he can pitch and play a position. The best of both worlds. Remember this: there is plenty of time down the road for specialization. Don't worry about it so much now, becasue eventually he may play a different position entirely. Also, he may eventually decide he likes one better than the other. Let that shake out.

4. Continue working on his game and his skills. Feel free to go to showcases and camps where he can be seen. Probably won't be looked at too much until that time, but if you can find affordable and reasonable showcases and camps, he can go and be seen. Ramp that up as he continues to get better and bigger.

5. Always good to have speed, and if you don't have much of it, it's good to try to improve it. But, if there are any positions where speed doesn't mean as much, they are 1B, C, P. Your son has 2 of the 3. Continue to do what he can to improve it, but don't sweat it: if he can pitch very well, and hit very well he'll be seen.

6. If he'd like to play beyond high school, GET GOOD GRADES! and work HARD. Not only so he improves, but also so that when he IS watched, they only see good things as far as his attitude and behavior. Many, many, many good players have been crossed off of lists because of the way they presented themselves.

Mind you, I'm just a high school coach, so according to some parents, I'm about the dumbest thing that ever walked the earth. But those are things that I think will give your son a good shot at advancing.
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1. Should I be considering having him switch to our local public high school that has a good baseball program if he really wants to get noticed?
No. Getting noticed should not be a determining factor when going to HS. For the most part he will not get 'noticed' by simply playing at HS (see #4)...

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2. Should I be planning camps or other summer activities for him after the select spring season is over?
Sure, why not?

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3. He is a very good hitter as well and good at first - he was batting 4th and hit 1000 over two tournaments, lots of doubles, triples, etc. - should we keep working on hitting as well? or should I lean more towards pitching with our time?
Yes, most definitely. To put your eggs in one basket at age 12 is goofy.

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4. From what I can read it sounds like the junior year is really when we would want to look at show cases and other types of ways to get noticed - is there anything we should be considering before that?
That's not correct, and it depends on the player. For example, this summer my son graduated 8th Grade and then played in a lot of the wood-bat 16u showcase events in Florida (Perfect Game, ProspectWire, Under Armour, USA Baseball, etc...)... It was a TREMENDOUS growth experience... I honestly believe that playing well this summer added so much confidence to his game.

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5. His one weakness is foot speed - its not super slow but its not fast. He isn't over weight or anything - just not real quick - it will probably get better as he matures. Is that an issue?
Could be... but at 12, nothing to worry about yet...

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6. Anything else :>Wink
Relax. Enjoy the ride... If he is good enough and has the desire to work hard and play hard, it will usually work out.

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Really - I am a baseball neophyte. I don't want to do the wrong thing for my son who I adore and love very much. If he really has the talent and potential everyone seems to think he does I realize I need to figure out the best path for him and make sure I head him in the right direction.
That's cool, just don't worry so much.

-Good luck.
Let me be the first to welcome you to the Grand HSBBW site where advise is free and friendliness flows like honey! You've come to the right place. Though I'm no guru I did stay at a Holiday Inn recently! So let me see if I can give you my 2cents on your below questions.

1. Should I be considering having him switch to our local public high school that has a good baseball program if he really wants to get noticed?

I'd never sacrific his education if the small private school offers better academics than the public HS. Especially for baseball. The one thing your son has going for him are the 2 words "Left handed!" lol. Whether he is in a private school or in a mountain school in Siberia he most likely will get some looks later on in highschool. I've seen many talented homeschooled kids get great scholarships playing baseball.

2. Should I be planning camps or other summer activities for him after the select spring season is over?

It wouldn't hurt any at all to line up a camp or two where it's fun, convenient, and afforable for yourself. I look at it as an investment into your children's lives whether it be baseball or space camp. Make camps about fun and learning. Most importantly, encourage him to have fun doing other things non-baseball related if possible. Burnout can and does happen. Just be aware of it.

3. He is a very good hitter as well and good at first - he was batting 4th and hit 1000 over two tournaments, lots of doubles, triples, etc. - should we keep working on hitting as well? or should I lean more towards pitching with our time?

You gotta have a lefty in the line-up! It's what I always use to think jokingly anyways. Let him persue both as along as he can. Once he gets into highschool his coaches will be able to determine his talents better, and where it will help the team win.

4. From what I can read it sounds like the junior year is really when we would want to look at show cases and other types of ways to get noticed - is there anything we should be considering before that?

Other than enter and play in some PG select tournaments when you can there really isn't much other than working on his grades and staying healthy. (Be sure he kisses and hugs Mom daily to thank her for washing his dirty uniform!)

5. His one weakness is foot speed - its not super slow but its not fast. He isn't over weight or anything - just not real quick - it will probably get better as he matures. Is that an issue?

When my son was a Sophomore and Junior in HS he ran like he had a piano on his back. No kidding. It was gosh awful to watch. But he played because he could pitch and hit. By his Senior year the piano turned into a small coffee table. So as he matures and gets stronger in the core his speed will increase.

6. Anything else :>

For now, make it about fun. Learn the delicate balance of challenging him to grow and get better with remaining humble and let his play do the talking for him. Nobody likes a showoff or braggart. It's Dads like you who come on here to learn how to be a great support system for his son(s) and learn how to point in the right direction. Hang around here a few years and you'll be amazed at the advise and wisdom you'll learn on this site. It's golden!

Good luck!

YGD
1) Education first. There's a 99.9999% chance your son will earn a living doing something other an MLB. Once he gets to high school there's a 10% chance he will play college baseball. I would bet most of the poster's sons got to their college team through summer ball, not school. And it doesn't occur until high school anyway.

2) He's young. He needs a life outside baseball. By the time he gets to high school pursuing college ball becomes very time consuming.

3) At 13U don't think position. Think fun. Think fundamentals. Think learning how to adapt to the full size field. Don't narrow the focus until its time to pursue college attention.

4) An age appropriate baseball camp as long as its fun would be fine. Unless your son is an early bloomer stud relative to competing at the high school level summer after soph year is a good time to get some showcase/college camp experience. Summer after junior year is "go time." what may be fun is to find an age appropriate camp done at a college facility.

5) Let him grow and grow into his body coordination wise. In high school you may want to consider speed and agility training.

6) Relax and enjoy the journey. While your son has a way to go, there will be a time when you look back and think, "Wow! Middle school and high school went by in a flash!"
Thank you all for your responses - very useful. Until 2 days ago I didn't even know what a show case was LOL. I will keep looking for responses. I just wanted to make one comment - baseball has become a really solid bonding experience as we do practices, tourneys, etc. Its a lot of fun. And it will always be his choice - I have no MLB dreams for him - but I do want him to have the right opportunity should he desire it and have the skills. I don't want to be clueless either about it all high school is one year away GULP
Lost Dad. I've been through this with softball and baseball. If you're lucky someday your son will repeat something my daughter said freshman year of college. She told me the first time the bus pulled away from the campus to head for an away game she thought of all the rides to travel tournaments and all the conversations we had in the car before college.
Lost Dad,

This is one of those rare HSBBWeb threads where everybody agrees! You've received some excellent guidance here from people that have walked in your shoes.

The best thing your son can do is excel in the classroom and continue to develop his baseball & athletic skills everyday. The best thing you can do is enjoy your time with him, research baseball, and keep coming back to HSBBWeb.

Good luck!
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I disagree with those that say it should all be about fun at this age. 12 is a good age to start looking around for the future if your player has above average talent. IMO you need to have your child on good teams as soon as possible. Is the Public school a good school? Ours in one of the best in the state. Private does not always mean better. My biggest piece of advice that I have learned through experience to to watch out for your son with injuries. I have seen smaller schools with little pitching talent abuse the arms of their pitchers because they want to win and do not have enough pitchers to go around. If he goes to smaller private school make sure his arm is your top priority. Don't let them abuse it to win games.Good luck
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I disagree with those that say it should all be about fun at this age. 12 is a good age to start looking around for the future if your player has above average talent. IMO you need to have your child on good teams as soon as possible. Is the Public school a good school? Ours in one of the best in the state. Private does not always mean better. My biggest piece of advice that I have learned through experience to to watch out for your son with injuries. I have seen smaller schools with little pitching talent abuse the arms of their pitchers because they want to win and do not have enough pitchers to go around. If he goes to smaller private school make sure his arm is your top priority. Don't let them abuse it to win games.Good luck
How does a parent evaluate the abilities of a player who has not yet mastered the 60/90 field? Does the twelve year old toss aside his other sports?
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This is good that you are reaching out trying to help your son.

First, like some have said he is 12. It sounds like he loves the game. This love can grow into a passion. This is good. At this age give him all of the baseball opportunities he desires within reason.

Second, being left handed in this game is a great thing. I'm a lefty and I cannot imagine playing this game any other way.

Lastly, keep him well grounded and keep pushing the academics as this will keep his options open if he desire to play in college.

You sound like a great parent. Keep it up!
Lefty...
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Originally posted by Lost Dad:
Hello - Well I am sure this has been posted a thousand times - hopefully the gurus here will take time to help me out :>Wink I never played baseball and never really watched it until a couple years ago when my son start playing rec ball. My father who loves baseball kept telling me we needed to get him in to playing because he was left handed and always had a strong


Hey! I found the Dad from the Volkswagen commercial!!!!
I found this site when my son was 12 and it has been so valuable. When you have some time, grab your favorite beverage and sit a while and browse throughout this site. Check some of the old posts. Do a search or two. Read everything from Coach May.

What I have learned:

Have your son play on the best summer travel team he can and still get playing time. This may mean changing teams a year or two from now when he, and everyone else, has garnered some experience on the big field.

7th grade is a great time to start researching and asking questions to parents just ahead of you (or on this board). My son was able to try out for the JV team at his high school in 8th grade, so I was in your shoes asking the same questions when he was in 7th grade.

Don't wait until Junior year to start showcasing, if he has something to showcase. My son verballed as a position player the summer between Soph and Jr year. He did showcases at several colleges with his 15U and 16U teams as well as PG events. LHPs can be recruited very early, and some are lucky enough to be able to pick and choose where they play in college. Make sure he keeps his grades up so he has choices.

If his weak point is speed, see if you can find a speed coach in your area. It is worth it to have a session or two. If there isn't a speed coach, ask the track coach to take a look. It is not too early to learn to run correctly. Just tweaking a few things can shave his times.

Good luck, and welcome aboard!
Lost Dad,

Welcome, and I echo the "don't worry" advice you are getting. Pick schools for the education; there are plenty of other ways to keep all baseball options open. You will come up the learning curve by searching through old threads here when questions arise.

The one thing I will suggest is that regardless of any expert coaching and instruction your son may get, don't let it displace your involvement. Play catch and soft toss BP for him whenever you can for as long as you can. In addition to the bonding you describe, those extra reps will make a big difference in his skills. Assuming he is motivated, you can remain a big help to him for the next few years.
Thank you everyone. All very helpful. BTW my son is taking the SAT this weekend as part of the Duke Tip program - we push him hard on academics as well much to his chagrin in this case LOL

Question - I am really confused what is Select baseball versus travel ball versus legion leagues, etc. I am reading about travel ball and legion but we play "select" ball here in North Texas. Am I missing something?
Travel, select, elite, scout teams, are all the same thing. Just names for marketing and to make parents feel special. At some point in the next couple of years get on the best team he can compete on if he remains interested in baseball. A LOT will change between now and his 16th birthday. With him and all the kids he is playing with now.

Legion ball is usually associated with high schools and/or geography. Legion was the top summer baseball for high school kids up to about 10 years ago in most areas. Travel/select...is where most of the top players play in the summers these days.
Lost Dad -
I am going to give you a little different advice but in the same vain as everyone else. Don't worry. As others have said he is 12. At this age he should be playing for his love of the game and having fun.

My HS Sr. loves the game of baseball and is a pretty good player. He did not make the HS baseball team. In our area they cut 9 kids for every 1 that makes the freshman team. And half those kids are cut the next year as they go from 2 freshman teams to 1 sophomore team. As the coach told him, "Sorry son but we have to cut you. In my opinion you would be starting at any other school in the conference but we are so deep in talent I have to let some good players go. You are the last one we are cutting and I am having a hard time doing this."

It was not the end of the world. In fact it was a great learning experience for him. Yes he was disappointed at first but in the long run it made him a better person. In retrospect it was a wonderful growing experience and taught him a great life lesson at the perfect time in his life. He continued to play high level travel ball for the next couple of years. He now plays on a local team with a group of his old buddies from Little League and is having the time of his life.

What I am getting at is this, do everything you can do to help your son become the best he can while still fostering his love for the game. If it is meant to be it will happen. If does not happen there are greater things in life then playing baseball and your son will find those things and grow from the experiences he has had.
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Originally posted by Lost Dad:
Thank you everyone. All very helpful. BTW my son is taking the SAT this weekend as part of the Duke Tip program - we push him hard on academics as well much to his chagrin in this case LOL

Question - I am really confused what is Select baseball versus travel ball versus legion leagues, etc. I am reading about travel ball and legion but we play "select" ball here in North Texas. Am I missing something?
I've heard parents of nine year olds call their son's teams select while the parents of a college prospect call their son's showcase team, travel. Find out where "the best ball" in his age group is played. Ask several people looking for a consistent answer.
Hello Lost Dad
I have been in your shoes two times in my life, I'm not a ball player myself but like all dads I wanted my son to be one. That was 25 years ago and I spent a bunch of money and done a lot of things wrong. Now I have a grandson who is 14 years old and has been playing since he was 6, my advice to you would be take your son to someone that will give him a couple of lessons on mechenics (batting,pitching,throwing,etc) don't spend a lot of money on lessons and camps. Then when he starts changing into a man (you know what I mean) his body will change. Then if he still loves the game go to the camps and practice, practice and then practice some more. Ya'll have a good time and let his skills improve. Find him a good team with a good coach that knows the game. You and your son must love the gaame of baseball.
Thank you everyone. Great advice. So here is roughly my plan:

1. I reiterated to my son that if he gets sick of baseball - no problem - just tell me and if its a mature decision and well reasoned then we are done. And I told him grades are still #1.

2. Highschool - well we go to a REALLY small private school so likely its something I have to think about if he continues to love baseball. Fortunately the public high school is really good.

3. Spring - Well lefty pitching boy will have to prove he can play up a year and at a higher level, love it and keep excelling.

4. Ignore everyone who points out that he is a lefty and what a great thing and this and that and how hard he throws blah blah. Believe it or not I have had coaches watch him pitch and try and play the angle of how their team is better off for him. The team he is on in select is solid, focused on fundamentals and preparing the boys for high school baseball. That sounds about right to me - plus they are great guys with older boys playing at the local high schools.

5. Maybe a summer camp after 7th grade. Definitely some type of camp or something ater 8th grade to gain experience in that arena IF he still loves the game and keeps on excelling.

6. Protect his arm, keep working on all aspects of the game - hitting, fielding, and of course pitching.

7. Have fun - which is what we are looking forward to for the spring tournaments.
Lost Dad,

Our son open enrolled in a neighboring district largely due to baseball and other athletic opportunities. Our "home district" had a baseball team with poor facilities and a program that matched. He switched when he was 12. Want to guess which school has developed a great program since that move?

Regardless, it worked out for our son...good education and a solid baseball program.

Getting an education and also working on skill development by playing against tough competition will ultimately work to your son's advantage. It sounds like that is what you have already accomplished. Relax and enjoy the next few years.

Our son just signed his NLI a few days ago. Only 5 years ago, he was also 12. Years now seem to go by like months and months like days. Enjoy every moment.
Lost Dad

If you are sure they will not have a high school team, I would lean towards making a change in the future. This advice is not based on getting a quality education...I'm assuming that is the top priority.

Assuming baseball is the #2 priority, then start asking around about other schools (Jr. High/ Middle) in your area. Our son knew several kids from his travel team that attended his new jr. high school, so the adjustments came easier...not easy, easier. I'd suggest talking to parents on your son's new travel team. They should be a valuable resource.
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Originally posted by Lost Dad:
yah - on the school thing - the problem is his high school may not have a team... thats kind of a problem I think - right? I guess he could do all select ball and other stuff?

So I guess the question is how important is it to play for a high school team versus other options?


If it came to no high school team period at your private school, in the area that you live I do see that as a problem.

In that area there probably will be no other really good spring time option so he is going to be missing out on a lot of live reps from Last week of January until at least the beginning of May as the HS season winds down. That in my opinion is a big disadvantage to him vs. his peer group regardless of which side of the which is better HS or travel fence you fall on.
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Originally posted by Rob T:
I'm not sure how it works in your area, but I know in some that if the school you are attending has no baseball program, you can play for the school in your boundary that does without actually attending the school. Same sort of thing for home-schooled kids.

Just one more variable I guess.


In most states, home schooled can not play for their local high school.
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Originally posted by Lost Dad:
Fortunately the public high school has a great baseball program so thats not an issue. Just if he is willing/wants to change schools from the small school he goes to.


Each state has it's own governing rules, but be careful if he plays Varsity as an 8th grader at the private school and then decides to switch to the public school. In our state you can only play 4 years of varsity. You would hate for him to miss his senior year.
LD,
Having recently gone through this (my son is 15 soph in HS) I will tell what happened with us and maybe it will help. First thing is, don't push it. Folks have told you to let him play and enjoy the game, and he should. My son made baseball memories at 12 that he will never forget. Let your son's love for the game drive what you do next. I found that giving my son options/opportunities as they came along was the best for him. For example, he was asked at 12 to play on a 50/70 travel team. IMO I thought it was a definite good move for him but I let him decide and if he asked what I thought, I told him. He decided to do it and it worked out. Another thing I would really caution is against is overuse. So when teams ask him to play make sure they have enough pitching and talk to the coaches. The worst thing would be for a growing lefty to burn out too quick because some coach wanted to win a 13u tourney that bad. And when the time comes for the move to the big diamond, keep focusing on mechanics...good luck to you and your son.
Lots and lots of great advice so far. Raising two lefty's I can offer this,:

take your time wtih his development, there is no need to rush him into travel/select/club etc., be very cautiouos of all the coaches that say that your son is just what his team needs


Find a good pitching coach that will focus on developing/refining his mechanics

FORGET about the speed element of his game at this point..that goes for both pitching and running

make sure he is placed into the right situations for HIM to have the opportunity excell/prove himself and gain confidence
Continued great advice. Thank you all - my son does have a good pitching coach - who played 5 years of A and AA ball for the Yankees. He is preaching mechanics and has my son focused on using his legs, etc. for power. He figures he is pitching 65 or so with nothing but up side. But about every 5 minutes he asks him how his arm feels - which is always reassuring to me.

Last year in spring and fall his team had a blast - won two tourneys and came in second in 3 others. I will brag for a moment - one key event during the season was on a cold drizzly Sunday the team was in the semi-finals and he had a massive headache and felt sick to his stomach. He is almost never sick. So he laid down in the car for that game to rest hoping he would feel better and if they won be able to play in the championship. So they did win and he did feel marginally better. So they decided to have him in the championship game but batting last and on bench during defense. The game was 1-2 (we were down 1 run) when he came up to bat. Their pitcher had walked two of our batters. There were two outs and he was down in count 0-2. He then hits a triple and on next play was able to steal home - broke the game open and they won. It was one of those moments where you could see his confidence really grow. It was pretty darn cool.

Even though it was fun, I could see he was ready for a new challenge to keep improving - so we will see what 13U AAA has to hold for him - first tourney in 30 days :>Wink
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Hi All - Just thought I would share - my son had his first tourney this weekend on his 13U AAA team (he is playing up a year).  He pitched a complete game no-hitter on Saturday.  The coach was going to save him some innings for Sunday but he decided to let him see if he could get the no-hitter and also improve our seeding for Sunday.  The answer to both turned out to be yes and to top it all off the team won the tournament.  

 

I will comment for any future "lost dads" - the pitching lessons with a REALLY good pitching coach are paying off tremendously.  The comments were - he was in control and efficient.

 

That was a fun weekend for him and for us.

Originally Posted by Lost Dad:

Hi All - Just thought I would share - my son had his first tourney this weekend on his 13U AAA team (he is playing up a year).  He pitched a complete game no-hitter on Saturday.  The coach was going to save him some innings for Sunday but he decided to let him see if he could get the no-hitter and also improve our seeding for Sunday.  The answer to both turned out to be yes and to top it all off the team won the tournament.  

 

I will comment for any future "lost dads" - the pitching lessons with a REALLY good pitching coach are paying off tremendously.  The comments were - he was in control and efficient.

 

That was a fun weekend for him and for us.

Your 13 year old pitched a complete game? Was this his first game of the season?  How many innings and how many pitches?

His coach was going to SAVE him for some innings for sunday?

What am I missing here?

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