Best article I have read yet with a brutally honest assessment of USC athletics:
https://www.latimes.com/sports...-20190312-story.html
And for those with no time to read, the funniest but sadly true statement in the article:
"The great irony is that at least one of the fake athletes who gained admission to USC, social media influencer Olivia Jade Giannulli, appears to be profiting from her likeness. The NCAA prohibits real college athletes from doing that."
Dominik85 posted:2020Hopeful posted:These people have no shame!! Our kids have to work their butts off for years to get into these schools the honest way and many who qualify still don't get in!
What happens when their kids get in to a top school on a bribe and then can't meet the academic rigors? Do their parents bribe employers too??
Those kids are all becoming Instagram influencers anyway
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That's what makes this whole thing even more sickening...many of these kids don't even want to be there and are just there for the parties, not the education. Fine if the kid got in on his/her own merits and then decided they're not going to take it seriously, but to know going into it that your kid doesn't want to be there and is not there for an education, yet you still have the gall to cheat the system so they can take someone else's place who does want/need the education is beyond reproof.
She's likely not listed on any USC "athletic" information and certainly not on a roster....so it's highly unlikely the NCAA even knows or cares that she exists. This scandal isn't an NCAA issue...the kids involved weren't athletes....other than the fact that that's how they managed to get admitted. You can bet that starting today....EVERY school will have system to follow up on whether or not applications are from "real athletes"
Backstop22 posted:Best article I have read yet with a brutally honest assessment of USC athletics:
https://www.latimes.com/sports...-20190312-story.html
And for those with no time to read, the funniest but sadly true statement in the article:
"The great irony is that at least one of the fake athletes who gained admission to USC, social media influencer Olivia Jade Giannulli, appears to be profiting from her likeness. The NCAA prohibits real college athletes from doing that."
So Bob Smith, the hypothetical 3rd string catcher on the worst D1 baseball team in the country can't start a summer lawn service called "Bob Smith's Lawn Service"? That's a head-scratcher.
12.4.4 Self-Employment. [A] A student-athlete may establish his or her own business, provided the student-
athlete’s name, photograph, appearance or athletics reputation are not used to promote the business.
Buckeye 2015 posted:She's likely not listed on any USC "athletic" information and certainly not on a roster....so it's highly unlikely the NCAA even knows or cares that she exists. This scandal isn't an NCAA issue...the kids involved weren't athletes....other than the fact that that's how they managed to get admitted. You can bet that starting today....EVERY school will have system to follow up on whether or not applications are from "real athletes"
Since the story broke USC has identified six applicants in this year’s admission cycle connected to the scheme.
It all seems so hard to believe a single coach could get an "athlete" through admissions and the kid never show up for the team and nobody would notice. USC had an athletic department administrator nabbed (I guess $1.3 million definitely got her noticed and indicted). But there are bound to be others who noticed and what happened? None blew the whistle, asked about it? It seems at least in baseball, from what we saw the names of potential recruits are known by all of the coaches and they track them through admissions.
And then there are all of the staged photos attempting to show the kid is an athlete. Who could not scrutinize those? Loved the story the ringleader admitted where he challenged the dad's attempt to show his kid as a water polo player in action. Turns out the kid was standing in the short end of the pool! At least know a little something about the sport you are faking about!
Since this story is breaking out of Boston here’s a page with links to every article ...
Backstop22 posted:It all seems so hard to believe a single coach could get an "athlete" through admissions and the kid never show up for the team and nobody would notice. USC had an athletic department administrator nabbed (I guess $1.3 million definitely got her noticed and indicted). But there are bound to be others who noticed and what happened? None blew the whistle, asked about it? It seems at least in baseball, from what we saw the names of potential recruits are known by all of the coaches and they track them through admissions.
And then there are all of the staged photos attempting to show the kid is an athlete. Who could not scrutinize those? Loved the story the ringleader admitted where he challenged the dad's attempt to show his kid as a water polo player in action. Turns out the kid was standing in the short end of the pool! At least know a little something about the sport you are faking about!
Loughlin’s kid had already been flagged by someone at USC. Her admission was already under internal investigation.
Backstop22 posted:It all seems so hard to believe a single coach could get an "athlete" through admissions and the kid never show up for the team and nobody would notice. USC had an athletic department administrator nabbed (I guess $1.3 million definitely got her noticed and indicted). But there are bound to be others who noticed and what happened? None blew the whistle, asked about it? It seems at least in baseball, from what we saw the names of potential recruits are known by all of the coaches and they track them through admissions.
And then there are all of the staged photos attempting to show the kid is an athlete. Who could not scrutinize those? Loved the story the ringleader admitted where he challenged the dad's attempt to show his kid as a water polo player in action. Turns out the kid was standing in the short end of the pool! At least know a little something about the sport you are faking about!
There's never been any mention of scholarship money involved for any of these "athletes" so I think that probably helps keep them from being noticed. If for example this had happened at my son's school with a walk on baseball player, it's entirely possible he'd have never known about it. The kid never shows up for practice....he's no different than any other student on a campus that size. Other students likely wouldn't know why/how they got admitted.
RJM posted:Backstop22 posted:It all seems so hard to believe a single coach could get an "athlete" through admissions and the kid never show up for the team and nobody would notice. USC had an athletic department administrator nabbed (I guess $1.3 million definitely got her noticed and indicted). But there are bound to be others who noticed and what happened? None blew the whistle, asked about it? It seems at least in baseball, from what we saw the names of potential recruits are known by all of the coaches and they track them through admissions.
And then there are all of the staged photos attempting to show the kid is an athlete. Who could not scrutinize those? Loved the story the ringleader admitted where he challenged the dad's attempt to show his kid as a water polo player in action. Turns out the kid was standing in the short end of the pool! At least know a little something about the sport you are faking about!
Loughlin’s kid had already been flagged by someone at USC. Her admission was already under internal investigation.
Interesting - there is also a report that Loughlin's kid was on a USC Trustee's yacht (on Spring Break with her friend and fellow USC student, Trustee's daughter) when mom was arraigned. Man, bad timing!! If under investigation, someone should have told USC Trustee - hey, might not want to let the suspected student join your family on this trip.
PS is USC that hard to get into? Always assumed it was a fine institution but yikes $250k bribe for each daughter?
If it cost even $100,000 under the table to get your Johnny a non-scholarship slot on his preferred College BB Team, would you pony up?
I will assume most on HSBaseball Web wouldn't touch it.
It's not a matter of the amount, it's a matter of integrity.
All this situation shows is a lack of integrity of parents and those who feel they aren't earning enough on their jobs.
A crime is a crime. I hope some do the time!
BTW, if you would pony up your funds for an shot, don't disclose here. Who know what HC's are trolling. ( we wish they were).
Let's get back to baseball.
Lori Loughhlin fired by Hallmark Channel
This is the more acceptable way to get your kid into school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHnkHU7MuaA
Now my niece is pissed at my brother.... all he had to do was pretend she could row a boat or play tennis and pony up $250,000 and she could have flunked out of a more prestigious school.
NewUmpire posted:This is the more acceptable way to get your kid into school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHnkHU7MuaA
Classic.
At least some of the kids knew what was going on:
Somehow my alma mater escaped involvement in this scandal. Maybe because it is known as the "The place fun goes to die."
Rob, that prompts the question "Did you do your part to change that reputation when you were a student??"
Rick, he DID! He’ll probably act all modest about it but when my ‘19 went to their camp last fall his host told him they had established an annual student award, the R-K Oh! Award, an empty, crumpled can of Schlitz, now handed out to a particularly enthusiastic first year student.
Rob Kremer posted:Somehow my alma mater escaped involvement in this scandal. Maybe because it is known as the "The place fun goes to die."
Reminds me of the day I went to one of my son’s away games at a very highly regarded D3 HA. I had to park away from the ball park and walk through most of the campus. As I arrived at the park it occurred to me… every student that I passed along the way looked completely miserable and beaten down. Then I looked in the stands and the only students at the game appeared to be a couple of girlfriends with the faces buried in their MacBooks. I’m sure most of those kids are getting a great education, and will have impressive careers, but to an outsider it sure looked like they were missing the fun part of college.
My father went to a Big Ten to play football. After getting injured he transferred as a generational legacy to a HA NESCAC and played baseball. He advised me not to let college get in the way of my education. Then again, he was an alcoholic, arrested adolescent, frat boy for life. In his day even HA’s had frat houses.
I think many of the HA's still have frat houses, I know there are some in the Ivies. A lot of tradition in some of those houses and brothers can make for good business connections.
9and7dad posted:I think many of the HA's still have frat houses, I know there are some in the Ivies. A lot of tradition in some of those houses and brothers can make for good business connections.
I belonged to a frat. But I didn’t spend my life thinking only of myself and getting drunk. Some of my father’s best alcoholic friends are from his frat.
Let me correct myself. He wasn’t an alcoholic. If you go to a prestigious college, are a member of a country club and play golf you’re not an alcoholic. You’re a sport.
Showing that corruption in getting a kid into Harvard wasn't confined to the ring which was busted, this dad BOUGHT the fencing coach's home for TWICE it's fair market value, only to sell it a few years later for a 350k loss.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/me...eY1xfB1GK/story.html
What's very galling (to me) is not only the personal corruption of the family and coach, but the way the deal was constructed, upon the sale for a loss -because it was a rental - a tax loss resulted, so we all contributed (so to speak).
And, I didn't even get a stinking t-shirt.
Goosegg posted:Showing that corruption in getting a kid into Harvard wasn't confined to the ring which was busted, this dad BOUGHT the fencing coach's home for TWICE it's fair market value, only to sell it a few years later for a 350k loss.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/me...eY1xfB1GK/story.html
What's very galling (to me) is not only the personal corruption of the family and coach, but the way the deal was constructed, upon the sale for a loss -because it was a rental - a tax loss resulted, so we all contributed (so to speak).
And, I didn't even get a stinking t-shirt.
Another crazy story about corruption. This one hits close to home, as we have some friends at St. Albans, and our daughter took fencing lessons at the academy they mentioned. Will be interesting to see what the investigation uncovers.
