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MLB umpiring incompetency strikes again

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H Homerun041,000+ posts
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Originally posted by bsbl247:
You'd think that with SIX umpires, including umps down each line, that they'd be in a good position to make that call. I'm sure that crew is relieved that Thome followed that call up with a P-5, had he gone yard it would have been a terrible mess!


One of the challenges of the six man rotation, is that they don't normally have six so it some times confuses them as to who has what responsibility for various situations.
biggerpapibiggerpapi5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Homerun04:

One of the challenges of the six man rotation, is that they don't normally have six so it some times confuses them as to who has what responsibility for various situations.


I wasn't going to pile on the umps but this comment made me think...

This wasn't one of those situations where the home plate umpire runs down to cover third and the first base umpire moves to home plate.

This was a fly ball that couldn't have been much more than 50' away from the right field umpire. AND all six of them got together, talked about it and still, none of them saw the catch.

I didn't look at it as a confusing situation...just a missed call.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
At the risk of being accused of "covering" for the umpire or "just sticking together", my observations:

1. As an evaluator, my primary concern, after the fact, is WHY the error was made. The umpire has more than adquate vision...so WHY did he miss the call. I did not see the play and haven't found a replay so far. If anyone has a URL, please post it.

I am not doubting the error or it's obvious nature. I'd just like to see if I can determine how such an errr was made.

2. I think "incompetent" is an over-the-top and inflammatory description. Mistakes are made by everyone who are not necessarily incompetent at their jobs. One of my physicians screwed up and wrote a prescription for the wrong drug for me. He is an otherwise excellent surgeon, one of the best around. I wouldn't accuse him of being incompetent. I did accuse him of making a mistake.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Homerun04:
I was just trying to be nice, I seem to remember two umpires turning and looking at the play, but missing the call in front of them.

Was it last year in the playoffs, there was a ball down the 3b foul line that the umpires missed and they blamed it on the six man crew?


Not seeing the play, I can't say if the six man crew had anything to do with this error. But six man crews are worthless at best and often cause confusion. They effect rotations and responsibilities of all the 4 primary umpires. Many if not most ML umpires will admit this individually. However, collectively, (union-wise, that is) it would be hard for them to admit it and give up the 14 post season spots.
trojan-skippertrojan-skipper1,000+ posts
I saw the game but I'm still not sure who made the initial call... the guy on the line would not have had a good view of it. I would think the 2b ump would have had the best look because he's looking at the ball entering the glove (or home plate ump)...
Dad gummed Mariano made it a mute point that's for sure the way that guy mows down hitters in October.
H Homerun041,000+ posts
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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
I saw the game but I'm still not sure who made the initial call... the guy on the line would not have had a good view of it. I would think the 2b ump would have had the best look because he's looking at the ball entering the glove (or home plate ump)...
Dad gummed Mariano made it a mute point that's for sure the way that guy mows down hitters in October.


It looked like the right field umpire who was a few feet behind the first base umpire when the play started. Both he and the 1bU turned toward the play which was in shallow right field.

It was a close call, the ball looked like it may have been trapped especially since the ball could be seen very clearly after he made the catch when he repositioned it, after he took a step. After several angles of replay, it was clear that he did in fact make the catch.
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B bsballfan100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy03:
At the risk of being accused of "covering" for the umpire or "just sticking together", my observations:

1. As an evaluator, my primary concern, after the fact, is WHY the error was made. The umpire has more than adquate vision...so WHY did he miss the call. I did not see the play and haven't found a replay so far. If anyone has a URL, please post it.

I am not doubting the error or it's obvious nature. I'd just like to see if I can determine how such an errr was made.

2. I think "incompetent" is an over-the-top and inflammatory description. Mistakes are made by everyone who are not necessarily incompetent at their jobs. One of my physicians screwed up and wrote a prescription for the wrong drug for me. He is an otherwise excellent surgeon, one of the best around. I wouldn't accuse him of being incompetent. I did accuse him of making a mistake.


Since I have been seen as being "harsh" towards the umpires, i'll respond to that. I totally agree, those are 6 of the best at the world at their jobs and i'm sure none of them feel good about screwing up so obviously on national television and risk having the "wrong team" win the game.

It's more your signature deal at the bottom of your posts that I find condescending...obviously a shot at trhit and a way to cover up complaints about a bad strike zone.
GunEmDown10GunEmDown101,000+ posts
No doubt I'm a Ranger fan, but I'm a fan of "good" baseball. Right now, the Rays are not playing good baseball. Shields makes a wild pick, totally falls off the mound during delivery, Bartlett one hops a routine throw from SS... And, Qualls serves up a waist high fastball to Young, regardless of the check swing. Like I said yesterday, I think the Rays are in real trouble.

Not sure what the Rays were thinking when they set their rotation, but Shields never looked comfortable. Even in yesterdays game, he paced like a caged cat.

Shields was 13-15 with a 5.18 ERA. In 203 1/3 innings he gave up 246 hits, 34 homers and 117 earned runs. Over his final 11 starts, he was 3-6 with a 6.68 ERA and 12 homers in just 61 innings.

That's simply bad decision making by Maddon.

GED10DaD
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