I just saw this on twitter. Thoughts?
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It’s not baseball related.
Sad. Very sad.
i know more but the Press conference is this morning.
RedFishFool posted:Sad. Very sad.
i know more but the Press conference is this morning.
+1
I will come out and say it, I don't care.
Got caught cheating on his wife who is expecting their 3rd child.
You can't have it both ways, a coach needs to lead by example.
If you play with fire, you get burned.
Glad MSU finally taking a stand against toxic masculinity.
Seriously? the guy got fired for having an affair? I have been married for 23 years and never considered having one...but I should lose my job over it if I did? How exactly does him losing a job help his wife and kids? They lose the primary source of income regardless if they stay married or not, they lose on future earning potential at least in the short term, they lose stability to where they are living
Was it a hooker? maybe an employee under the coach? graduate trainer? there has to be more to the story then man has affair, gets fired - I mean WTF I am not anywhere close to liberal and this makes no sense to me. There has to be more to the story, someone please expand on this.
Do you realize how many unemployable people there are in the world if having an affair is grounds for termination?
I beg to differ-he absolutely should have been fired. If a guy can't keep his sacred vow to the mother of his children, he can't be trusted. A coach that talks about character, as all coaches do all the time, and then shows he has none, has el zippo credibility. There have to be principles in life, and being faithful to your wife is not a hard thing to do. What part of a man's brain says "Aw this will be okay"? My wife says it's not the brain that's the problem. Character counts.
ok, quick Google search and you can find references to school employee in the football organization...that alone I seriously doubt has much to with it. Then there is a reference to school funds being involved - bingo. I obviously can't confirm that school funds being involved is true but it at least makes sense, never mess with an employers funds especially while acting stupid and banging a fellow employee!!
Assuming this is true I can believe it - Successful coach terminated for having an honest affair with a consenting adult on your own time at huge State U which has a long history of playing fast and loose with the rules - nope that doesn't pass the smell test.
hokieone posted:I beg to differ-he absolutely should have been fired. If a guy can't keep his sacred vow to the mother of his children, he can't be trusted. A coach that talks about character, as all coaches do all the time, and then shows he has none, has el zippo credibility. There have to be principles in life, and being faithful to your wife is not a hard thing to do. What part of a man's brain says "Aw this will be okay"? My wife says it's not the brain that's the problem. Character counts.
cmon now just stop, while I may agree with you on my personal standards our standard is not accurate, not in our world, not by our laws...please this is academia we are discussing. They have Professors with complete autonomy to say anything they like under the guise of academic freedom and having tenure...please just stop. When did MSU become some beacon of academics? they sold their morals years ago chasing the big $'s with the SEC...
old_school posted:hokieone posted:I beg to differ-he absolutely should have been fired. If a guy can't keep his sacred vow to the mother of his children, he can't be trusted. A coach that talks about character, as all coaches do all the time, and then shows he has none, has el zippo credibility. There have to be principles in life, and being faithful to your wife is not a hard thing to do. What part of a man's brain says "Aw this will be okay"? My wife says it's not the brain that's the problem. Character counts.
cmon now just stop, while I may agree with you on my personal standards our standard is not accurate, not in our world, not by our laws...please this is academia we are discussing. They have Professors with complete autonomy to say anything they like under the guise of academic freedom and having tenure...please just stop. When did MSU become some beacon of academics? they sold their morals years ago chasing the big $'s with the SEC...
Sorry your argument doesn't win and I agree with hokieone.
Kudos to MSU and John Cohen for doing what is morally right.
We'll just agree to disagree. Our summer league team actually hired a well-known college coach a couple years ago that got caught with a hooker and fired by his school. He was well-known and the event was all over the news. The event happened 2 years before our hire, his wife forgave him, and he did everything he could to make it right. We believed in second chances. He was hired away from us for a good professional job but I feel we had done the right thing...and that his former school did the right thing when he was caught in the prostitution sting. I am not saying Cannizzaro shouldn't get a second chance somewhere, sometime...but some things are just wrong, in any universe, at any time.
I don't think you are speaking with a whole lot of knowledge about MSU or SEC schools. MSU is a quite good school with a preeminent golf course design program and one of your better engineering programs.
The SEC as a whole has several schools that most of our kids would be quite fortunate to be able to attend.
If MSU sold it's ethics for SEC athletics prowess, they need to get their money back.
FYI actually word is out that the players are not sorry.
Sometimes, people want us to see one side of them and the public the other, kind of reminds me of our many politicians.
As with most stories, there are lots of underneath layers.
He resigned; that should tell you a lot. RFF
hokieone posted:We'll just agree to disagree. Our summer league team actually hired a well-known college coach a couple years ago that got caught with a hooker and fired by his school. He was well-known and the event was all over the news. The event happened 2 years before our hire, his wife forgave him, and he did everything he could to make it right. We believed in second chances. He was hired away from us for a good professional job but I feel we had done the right thing...and that his former school did the right thing when he was caught in the prostitution sting. I am not saying Cannizzaro shouldn't get a second chance somewhere, sometime...but some things are just wrong, in any universe, at any time.
Caught with hooker does not = had an affair
RedFishFool posted:As with most stories, there are lots of underneath layers.
He resigned; that should tell you a lot. RFF
No doubt more to story, but use of school funds for the affair allowed MSU to fire with cause. Now somebody copy the list of current commits and let's check back in summer to see the turnover.
TPM posted:old_school posted:hokieone posted:
Sorry your argument doesn't win and I agree with hokieone.
Kudos to MSU and John Cohen for doing what is morally right.
obviously you don't understand the world of big business (yes State Universities are big business). You stated he got caught cheating on wife and got fired or asked / told to resign...I called BS and said no way there is more to the story...I can support any institution for doing the right thing however how you defined the "right thing" and what you are celebrating is close to if not 100% certain incomplete or incorrect.
The story doesn't add up, there is too much missing, the moral high ground isn't that clearly defined or for better or worse that important in our world - Public Universities don't do things like fire a successful coach over an affair, remember there are legal issues here on both sides. There is much more to the story.
The story doesn't add up, there is too much missing, the moral high ground isn't that clearly defined or for better or worse that important in our world
This is true.
There is a lot to the story if you look. Either way, I want my son to play for a good man and I wouldn't ha e wanted him there. It will be interesting to see if those top recruits stay committed.
old_school posted:TPM posted:old_school posted:hokieone posted:
Sorry your argument doesn't win and I agree with hokieone.
Kudos to MSU and John Cohen for doing what is morally right.
obviously you don't understand the world of big business (yes State Universities are big business). You stated he got caught cheating on wife and got fired or asked / told to resign...I called BS and said no way there is more to the story...I can support any institution for doing the right thing however how you defined the "right thing" and what you are celebrating is close to if not 100% certain incomplete or incorrect.
The story doesn't add up, there is too much missing, the moral high ground isn't that clearly defined or for better or worse that important in our world - Public Universities don't do things like fire a successful coach over an affair, remember there are legal issues here on both sides. There is much more to the story.
Oh give it a break, who cares if it was a private or a state institution. He resigned, or forced to and if this will make you feel better word is out the players are not sad at all.
Let it be a lesson, you have to take responsibility for your mistakes.
And understanding big business has nothing to do with it. You obviously don't understand what being a coach of a big university is like or how it works or for that matter just being a coach.
I don’t know why it doesn’t add up. He was fired with cause, so that means he did something worthy of getting fired and, clearly, it was more than just the affair.
TPM posted:old_school posted:TPM posted:old_school posted:hokieone posted:
Sorry your argument doesn't win and I agree with hokieone.
Kudos to MSU and John Cohen for doing what is morally right.
obviously you don't understand the world of big business (yes State Universities are big business). You stated he got caught cheating on wife and got fired or asked / told to resign...I called BS and said no way there is more to the story...I can support any institution for doing the right thing however how you defined the "right thing" and what you are celebrating is close to if not 100% certain incomplete or incorrect.
The story doesn't add up, there is too much missing, the moral high ground isn't that clearly defined or for better or worse that important in our world - Public Universities don't do things like fire a successful coach over an affair, remember there are legal issues here on both sides. There is much more to the story.
Oh give it a break, who cares if it was a private or a state institution. He resigned, or forced to and if this will make you feel better word is out the players are not sad at all.
Let it be a lesson, you have to take responsibility for your mistakes.
And understanding big business has nothing to do with it. You obviously don't understand what being a coach of a big university is like or how it works or for that matter just being a coach.
Really? because they play by different rules, have different standards aren’t governed under the goals and standards....off the top of my head. You do realize the difference between private public right? You can be the obtuse....and as typical the comments that got this thread were incorrect
Mr old school you are making a fool of yourself.
Doesnt matter whether its private or public, but what type of person you are to be working with young impressionable adults.
Thats it in a nutshell.
You do realize the difference between private public right? You can be the obtuse....
Put him in the hole!
Go44dad posted:RedFishFool posted:As with most stories, there are lots of underneath layers.
He resigned; that should tell you a lot. RFF
No doubt more to story, but use of school funds for the affair allowed MSU to fire with cause. Now somebody copy the list of current commits and let's check back in summer to see the turnover.
You are right about that. Two of my son's friends who had verbally committed to MSU with the prior coaching staff had their offers "re-evaluated" when Cannizzaro arrived, and I suspect there were others. Now there will be a new cycle of upheaval for the committed players. This really sucks for the kids.
It is about character. Cannizaro himself says it’s about character. This is from the Starkville News and the reporter who covers MSU baseball from just last week:
“Yet something from that last meeting I had with Cannizaro now rings in my head. If you’ll remember back last week, Cannizaro suspended a pair of unidentified baseball players. I asked Cannizaro how he goes about handling discipline in his program.
“We expect (the players) to be a first-class citizen and a role model off the field,” Cannizaro said. “There’s a policy and procedures book that they all sign at the very first of the year. They know exactly what our standards are and I tell them all the time, ‘I’m not dealing with (misbehavior). I’m not putting up with it. If you can’t do the things that are expected of you in this program, then this might not be the program for you.’”
Here’s the link: http://starkvilledailynews.com...ded-very-quickly-msu
Midwest mom,
Practice what you preach!
When coaches take a job, they too are expected to act in the same manner.
Ok... This thread seems to be spiraling out of control. If I get more than 2 likes to my post here, we'll close the thread. It seems as though everyone has had their say. Thanks.
Let me lob this grenade into the mix: I wonder how many of those in agreement with his firing pulled the lever for Billy Clinton for Pres. back in the day. I'm just sayin...
Seems to me this was managed by MSU and this former coach in a way the poor "decisions" (plural) are kept private. From the reporting, the poor decisions (plural) were enough to terminate for "cause." Rather than having that option on his record, the coach chose to resign but acknowledge poor "decisions." (again, plural).
One can certainly expect MSU did an investigation of whatever poor "decision" was initially of concern. That "investigation" would involve an interview with the coach and others. No one will know without a possible information request, but it is possible some of the poor "decisions" came about during the investigation of a poor decision. No one knows at this point because he was not terminated for cause. His statement clearly states there was more than one decision involved which led to the resignation. Those poor decisions had to be substantial.
Steve A. posted:Let me lob this grenade into the mix: I wonder how many of those in agreement with his firing pulled the lever for Billy Clinton for Pres. back in the day. I'm just sayin...
Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.
ClevelandDad posted:Ok... This thread seems to be spiraling out of control. If I get more than 2 likes to my post here, we'll close the thread. It seems as though everyone has had their say. Thanks.
Did not know this was an option. Can think of at least one other thread where I wish this was offered.
Steve A. posted:Let me lob this grenade into the mix: I wonder how many of those in agreement with his firing pulled the lever for Billy Clinton for Pres. back in the day. I'm just sayin...
He was not fired. He resigned! He acknowledged he made poor decisions. Plain meaning suggests he made more than one and one can infer he knew he knew he would be fired "for cause" and all the poor decisions would become public. His poor decisions had to be "compelling."
In my view, this thread is rapidly deteriorating in the face of the one known fact. He was not fired.
I have an idea - lets have everyone on this board put their life on display for public consumption and commentary. How may of you wouldn't have something that you weren't very proud of ?!?
#1 Assistant Coach posted:ClevelandDad posted:Ok... This thread seems to be spiraling out of control. If I get more than 2 likes to my post here, we'll close the thread. It seems as though everyone has had their say. Thanks.
Did not know this was an option. Can think of at least one other thread where I wish this was offered.
The people who help monitor the site (forget the term for them) actually do a really good job. It's another of those jobs where you can't please everyone and try to allow for as much open dialog as possible before the decision to shut a thread down but we have the right people doing that for this site. I think they consistently find the right place to draw the line between productive, sometimes contentious, debate and dialog that gets out of line for this particular forum.
Sorry that this dialog took a turn for the worse. It was not my intention when I posted the news 36 hours ago. At the that time, it was only reported that he was out. Reason was not stated.
No matter what, sad for all involved.
Steve A. posted:Let me lob this grenade into the mix: I wonder how many of those in agreement with his firing pulled the lever for Billy Clinton for Pres. back in the day. I'm just sayin...
You are a class act, dude.
infielddad posted:Seems to me this was managed by MSU and this former coach in a way the poor "decisions" (plural) are kept private. From the reporting, the poor decisions (plural) were enough to terminate for "cause." Rather than having that option on his record, the coach chose to resign but acknowledge poor "decisions." (again, plural).
One can certainly expect MSU did an investigation of whatever poor "decision" was initially of concern. That "investigation" would involve an interview with the coach and others. No one will know without a possible information request, but it is possible some of the poor "decisions" came about during the investigation of a poor decision. No one knows at this point because he was not terminated for cause. His statement clearly states there was more than one decision involved which led to the resignation. Those poor decisions had to be substantial.
This wasnt a secret. He had developed a bad reputation. He wasnt too popular with his players either.
And I am assuming he had no choice, resign or you are fired.
A coach is a teacher. As a former teacher this makes me ill. You cant preach standards of behavior to your students when you cant follow them yourself.
He will get another chance, not at big state U. Make a mid D1 a contender. They will love him.
This is about an ADULT who made a bad decision and it shoukd be closed down? Yet we had a topic on a 15 year old who made one alsi and it took 3-4 pages to close it down?
This isn't directed towards you, but sometimes I don't get why this can't be discussed. Once you cross that line it isn't private anymore.
GaryMe posted:Steve A. posted:Let me lob this grenade into the mix: I wonder how many of those in agreement with his firing pulled the lever for Billy Clinton for Pres. back in the day. I'm just sayin...
You are a class act, dude.
I know right, thanks! I take my lead from guys like you & Billy C.