NCAA gives 5 "Power Conferences" the Keys to the vault.

Is this for football/basketball or all sports?

This approach isn't optimal for the long-term development of college sports. However, anything that takes the power away from the oblivious criminals that are in charge of the NCAA…I wholeheartedly support.

 

Have it from good source one item will be meals taken care of.Yes some things will cost but ncaa or conferences will do about anything not to start handing out paychecks.

I got the impression the major conferences are separating for football so they can have different rules. It's to give things to athletes the smaller programs have been voting down as unaffordable. I'm guessing the big football programs feel if they don't make some amendments they could end up in court and fighting paying athleres. Being forced to pay athletes would bring the student-athlete concept into question. College football would like to maintain the illusion of the student-athlete with football players who can't read Where's Spot or Fluffy The Bunny.

Exactly my thoughts. 

 

I'm willing to bet there was some serious wrangling between the NCAA and representatives from the top 5 conferences here.  From the NCAA's perspective they gave up some power, but kept these guys under their umbrella.   In the coming years, we'll see if the horse is still in the barn, or has left the barn.

I think the horse has left the barn, i don't believe the power conferences were bluffing, they certainly would have left and formed whatever the new organization would be...i believe this just delays things a few years - the money in football and hoops is just to much to let go.

 

 

The NCAA realized it had no choice in the matter. The 5 were going to walk and the NCAA couldn't allow that to happen. Look Football and Basketball cash brought in by these 5 conferences is massive. If anyone thinks the NCAA is about taking care of the student athletes your clueless. I think this is a start. There are not enough numbers to count how many kids have been ripped by the NCAA over the years. And how many rules that hurt the student athletes instead of help them. It's a start.

From what I have seen from college athletics you can take the big 5 conferences and make them "D1" (64-100 programs) make everyone else a D3/Ivy/Patriot model and then there would be a better balance overall in college athletics. Give stipends to the athletes at those top programs and the rest are there because they want to be with a balance of academics and athletics. 

Add a little athletic money in to help offset crazy college costs and I think you have something.   

 

Call the new "D1" what it is -- a professional farm system.  

A couple of clarifications to add to this thread:

 

im6471, the legislation proposed by these Power Conferences will be able to be applied to all Division I sports, but the most impact will probably be felt in basketball and football.

 

proudhesmine, Division I already took care of the meal issue back in April when they voted in the ability to provide unlimited meals and snacks for all athletes.  For example, late night meals after a late practice, or if the athlete didn't have time to get a meal between practice and an evening class. 

 

Other NCAA action taken yesterday that got no publicity is that Division II leadership approved a proposal (which won't be voted on until the NCAA Convention in January) that will allow the same meal and snack benefits for Division II athletes starting in the Fall of 2015.  With much smaller budgets for Division II schools, it remains to be seen how much they will be able to provide, but at least the option will be there for the schools that are able to take advantage of it (assuming the proposal is voted in - while the proposal will provide obvious benefits for student-athletes, some Division II schools may vote against it for budgetary reasons).

 

 

Those who lamented the hypocrisy and dishonesty involved in pretending big-time college athletics was about developing serious students first and amateur athletes second . . . may find they like honesty and removal of pretense even less.

I find the title of this thread interesting.  The NCAA gives the 5 Power Conferences the keys to the vault.

 

I disagree.  The NCAA is hanging on by their fingertips to the people that own the vault in the hopes they can continue to be the parasites they are.  Without big time football and basketball the NCAA goes away or becomes a tiny little organization fed off the crumbs of the ESPN money it can generate from the DIA, DII and DIII sports.  The sooner the better IMO.

 

Will SEC football fans stop being crazy because they know the players are getting a little taste of the money they generate instead of being nearly positive they do....  Naaaaahhhh. They will embrace the my boys earn more than you boys stuff because they are worth it.  Now go git me another glass foooball. People with no pretense to begin with won't miss having to fake it.

 

 

The championships of DIII are payed for with money the ncaa makes off of the d1 basketball tournament. With out this money I believe the Championships in some of the sports, baseball in particular will go away. D3 baseball would become much more regionalized, than it already is. Many schools go south to get spring games in and to improve their strength of schedule.Their will be much less reason to do this if the cws at D3 goes away.

I am not advocating for the ncaa in any way here. But that is the reality. 

Not to pile on but the NCAA had a judge rule against them on another matter (compensation)....the NCAA was quoted as saying they will appeal to the Supreme Court.  I'll believe it when I see it.   They got no shot.

 

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles...on-ruling-haunt-ncaa

 

I love Jay Bilas's "price fixing cartel" comments about the NCAA...http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11328660 

 

Not a good week for the NCAA.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=11328762

What will this quote, from the article above, mean for baseball going forward?  I can't help but think "nothing".

The NCAA can no longer prohibit schools from paying the full cost of attendance as a scholarship. The limits on aid to athletes are history. Each school may now pay the full cost for an athlete to attend that school, if it wants to.

       
       


Fenway- Pile on, my friend. Pile on. They're money laundering criminals. They deserve every piece of ridicule and legal action that comes their way.

The NCAA cannot die fast enough. It is a corrupt and evil organization. The sooner it goes away the better off all of us will be. In conclusion: DIE NCAA DIE!

It needs to die. And the sooner the better.

Guys, I have never worked FOR the NCAA, although I've had to work with their rules for many years as a compliance coordinator for two DI schools, and now as a compliance consultant.  There may not be a group that gets more frustrated with some of the NCAA rules than compliance coordinators who have to try to explain some of those crazy rules to their own athletes and coaches, let alone parents and fans.

 

However, when I'm reading comments like "They're money laundering criminals" and "The NCAA cannot die fast enough.  It is a corrupt and evil organization", I'm reminded of discussions I used to have with some of my coaches.  That is, remember that while the NCAA is an organization with a large staff and big headquarters in Indy, they are interpreting and enforcing the rules that the schools and the conferences themselves have voted in.  Every rule that is passed is proposed, reviewed, discussed, and voted by a committee of representatives from the schools and/or conferences, and many of those rules started with one or two schools that decided to propose a change to a rule.

 

I'm not here to support or defend the staff members at the national office, I'm just simply here to say that if you feel that strongly about the NCAA, you may want to talk to the Presidents and AD's of the schools and conferences in your region of the country to ask their opinion of how it got to this point.

 

The large schools may feel that they've been "held back" by the smaller schools that voted down proposals that they couldn't afford, such as providing the "cost of attendance" or additional meals, but I don't think they can blame the smaller schools for being affected by the outcome of a lawsuit for selling merchandise with the names and/or numbers of popular players, or for allowing the likenesses of athletes to be used in video games.

We know what major conference football and basketball really is. But the NCAA and college university presidents will never accept the term professional farm system.

Rick and RJM,

 

You guys have really hit a point that has been bugging me a lot since this thread started.  The NCAA is not alone, however it looks like they are going to take the fall. 

 

Rick is correct....none of this would be possible without those college presidents in cahoots with the NCAA.  If you listen to Jay Bilas's excellent analysis on the NCAA situation (Jay has been beating on the NCAA for quite a while) it is absolutely a "price fixing cartel" that has been organized for the benefit of the NCAA and each member school...no doubt about it.  Both were making money like nobody's business.  So, if we're throwing the NCAA under the bus then these power 5 conference college presidents need the same treatment, scrutiny and ridicule.  I'm sure each college President will be shocked and beside themselves as the NCAA falls on their sword and they are there to pick up a larger share of the pie.  JMO.

My biggest concern is that non-revune sports are going to pay the price. If football and basketball players get more, where is that money going to come from?  I believe it will come from the other sports, i.e. baseball, wrestling, etc.

There have been such huge increases in the TV revenue that this should not effect non revenue sports. Were talking about $5,000 per player and only for mens basketball and football. 

Rick's point that criticism of the NCAA should be tempered by a realization that it is an instrument of the member institutions has merit.  

 

However, the "I was just following orders" defense won't go too far with me. 

 

In a manner akin to the regulatory agencies in Washington that pursue their own agendas regardless of the letter of their authorizing legislation, the NCAA has always had a will of its own.  Its interests often have not aligned with those of the conferences or the member institutions, and it has not earned a reputation for resolving those conflicts in favor of its members.  It chose to carve out its niche as the enforcement arm of the price-fixing cartel, and over the years it created the appearance that its policy and enforcement decisions had more to do with protecting its turf and intimidating dissenters than looking out for the welfare of member institutions or athletes.  

 

 

 

I agree with the above posts in recognizing that Rick's post is both informative and correct. With that being said, I'd be more than happy to include college presidents and AD's in the group of money laundering criminals that continue to uphold this illegality-filled cloak called the NCAA. The disbandment of the cartel can't come fast enough, in my opinion.

 

 

 

I don't really care how their amoral, criminal and unethical (amongst many other adjectives) came to be, I only care that it is amoral, unethical and criminal. The cartel needs to die as soon as humanly possible. 

Concern was noted above about the possible effect on non-revenue sports, and the comment was made about increasing TV revenue covering these increased costs.  Both valid points. 

 

For what it's worth, in an article that I read yesterday, it was stated that one Division I school in a BCS conference is going to set aside an additional $1 million in their budget this year for meals compared to last year, and another $1 million for the additional costs to cover the "cost of attendance" for student-athletes that is over and above a "full scholarship."  This particular Division I school sponsors 19 varsity sports.  The article didn't mention what this school's additional TV revenue might be this year.

Rick or anybody for that matter.

For those that are on partial scholarship,

As far as meal money and"cost of attendance" , I am confused. Would this be something a university can offer for student althletes that would not be part of thier % of scholarship?

 

Is meal money for actual 7 days a week, 3 times a day meals so that the student would not have that cost or is  it so when they get back late from a trip they can buy snack / a team meal.

 

My son's college told us the meal money hadn't taken affect yet (this was like 6 months ago but he is entering as a freshman next week and we just paid the rest of the bill and that included the meal plan)

We were told by a Big ten baseball coach that by the time my 2016 started school there that he would bet what was in his pocket that 100% of food costs would be picked up by school.At their place they have a main food place plus scattered sate lite smaller places.They were in the process of putting in a couple more.The student athletes will basically be able to eat from 6am till @ 10pm.The plan there in the after football season before he arrives is a brand new main eatery under the football stands and enough small satelite places scattered thru athletic facilities to basically to eat 24/7.This doesn't include team meals that take depending on whats going on.This will not be part of scholarship.Its above and beyond any %.There is some called the student-athlete bill of rights that sort of lays the ground work for the path ahead.

chefmike7777,

 

I'm sorry I can't be more definite in my answer, but as you can see from the info above, there will be a lot of discretion left up to each individual school.

First, the fact that a 35 man roster has only 11.7 scholarships is absolutely ridiculous! Anyone know how much espn pays for broadcast rights for college baseball?  Doesn't matter, the ncaa keeps it all!  Supposedly the ncaa keeps every dime, and the colleges don't get a penny!  

I hope the ncaa completely collapses and half of them go to jail for embezzlement, money laundering, spitting on the sidewalk or something!

rant over...

Thanks Rick, It may be simply my son's college can't afford it. It is not in one of the big 5. I am glad for anything food wise they provide. Just wasn't sure how it worked and as with most NCAA rules it is clear as mud.

 

Randy - welcome to title IX. I don't want to start a firestorm of opinions about title IX on here, I have both sons and daughters so I want them all to have an equal chance at everything in life. It is simply a ramification of it. Equal scholarship opportunites with football taking up a huge chunk of that for boys, means other boys sports to not get as much as like sport for girls

As Rick points out the NCAA is a nice cover for the member institutions to hide behind.  But like any institution once created it then becomes involved in its survival and own interests.

 

I think without the serfs....errrr....labor......errr players finally demanding basic rights as citizens to be fully compensated for the revenue they generate the system as constructed would have been very happy to chug along as is.  I still think there is a long way to go in court and more to be asked for before it is over.

 

Rick's point to look at the universities is a good one.  The NCAA is a guilty co-conspirator as the muscle for the gangsters aka Colleges running athletic departments.  All of this is set up as a defense to keep players from ever getting the money from Nike et al and TV to split.  

 

While all of that is fascinating the biggest battle will be when the Federal Government comes swooping in to defend Title IX.  It is likely the schools will side with Feds here to defend the status quo.  It will be an odd site to see feminist groups and guys like Bobby Knight and football coaches all tugging on the same end of the rope.

 

If the courts rule players are employees eligible to unionize and it is upheld then it is likely Title IX no longer applies for sports that this occurs in any more than it would to Professor's unions or other employees at the College.  Basketball and Football will finally become what they are...professional sports teams wearing State U jersey's.

 

If the colleges are smart they will fight a preemptive fight and be sure they are generous.  Cough up money to football and basketball players, Cultivate ESPN relationship on baseball as the third sport filling up the April to June window.  So get ready for the CWS in July but to be over by NFL training camps.  The only hole in the College schedule will be late July to late August.  They should also do what they can on Softball and Basketball for women on TV but the lack of depth in those sports combined with the lack of explosiveness athletically hamper those.  They are the best of the rest though.

 

There's plenty of money and when the football playoff finally comes in a year or two...there will be no excuse for these bandits not to find a way.  They have the neck of the golden goose in their hands.  They should take them off and put it in a gilded cage.

 

 

Coach said by the time my 2016 started school there that he would bet what was in his pocket that 100% of food costs would be picked up by school.

 

Did you check his pockets? Take nothing for granted. You have what you are holding in your hand.

Not sure how related it is, but D3 already looking at belt tighting measures. 

http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...deficits?division=d3

Just to pile on some more (and loving every minute of it): http://www.washingtonpost.com/...yer-is-worth-212080/

 

Win shares is essentially identical to the construct of WAR in baseball, but I'll save that conversation for when the MVP conversations start again in a few months. 

 

For now, I'll continue to point out that these are money laundering criminals. The cartel is dying. Thankfully.

 

I am very familiar with Title IX due to my former profession.  Like most legislated equality, it usually requires screwing someone else. Equal is not always equal, or fair.

When kids on scholarship can't even get enough to eat because of some stupid NCAA rule, then the rule, and the ncaa, both need to go away.  That bunch of bandits has hidden behind the charade of protecting the student-athlete and rules enforcement while actually protecting their own interests and passing such complex, complicated rules that no one can follow them, creating a need for an enforcement agency, thus justifying their existence.

RJM........Then 2016 will get to commit twice.

Stop paying coaches outrages 7 figure salaries and maybe they can hand out more scholarships.