The owners wanted this rule, so I'm skeptical that it could possibly benefit juco players. Seems to me that teams will just draft a few juco guys in the late rounds and watch them for a year before deciding if they really want to sign them. And those signing bonuses will be under $250k. Just reduces risk and the expense of rookie ball for the owners. What do the juco players get out of it?
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I don't imagine this benefits anybody except the clubs, including the drafted player.
@PABaseball posted:I don't imagine this benefits anybody except the clubs, including the drafted player.
It might benefit JUCO's as the player may elect to go JUCO instead of D1. Other than that, I agree that the owners are the main beneficiary.
I'm going to assume that teams will use this to reduce risk on high school draftees. I could see a team telling a high school kid... we like you but we're only going to draft you if you agree to play juco for a year... then we'll sign you next spring. Again, this is for rounds 11-20 it so doesn't impact the early round guys. I could see teams doing this with all of their r11-20 high school picks.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:I'm going to assume that teams will use this to reduce risk on high school draftees. I could see a team telling a high school kid... we like you but we're only going to draft you if you agree to play juco for a year... then we'll sign you next spring. Again, this is for rounds 11-20 it so doesn't impact the early round guys. I could see teams doing this with all of their r11-20 high school picks.
Couldn't he just go to the juco on his own at that point? Sounds like clubs are going to own the rights to a player for a year and tell him where he plays. Then if they like him they can sign him.
Sounds like a huge waste of the players time, drafted by a team that does not want to sign them.
@PABaseball posted:Couldn't he just go to the juco on his own at that point? Sounds like clubs are going to own the rights to a player for a year and tell him where he plays. Then if they like him they can sign him.
Sounds like a huge waste of the players time, drafted by a team that does not want to sign them.
I agree, if the kid understands the system, he would be smart to say... thanks, but no thanks. but you know how it works in real life. the kid gets so excited by the prospect of getting drafted that he agrees. one aspect of it that I can't find information about is whether or not this is some kind of official draft category. like do they have to declare you as DFE when they draft you, or can they just say that after the normal signing deadline expires.
This is a return to similar rule in place when son was in HS. The drafting team retained that players rights for one year if they attended JUCO.
I am pretty sure that this is an attempt to acquire players to make up a team for their true prospects.
@TPM posted:This is a return to similar rule in place when son was in HS. The drafting team retained that players rights for one year if they attended JUCO.
I am pretty sure that this is an attempt to acquire players to make up a team for their true prospects.
Do you know if that was some special draft designation, or did they just work that out later after the draft?
Maybe it increases the opportunity to play on a "strong" Summer League team.
"Hokieone" can project.
Bob
@MidAtlanticDad posted:Do you know if that was some special draft designation, or did they just work that out later after the draft?
Google draft and follow it comes on Baseball Reference. Won't let me copy link.
He graduated HS in 2002 and rule was changed in 2007.
Trying to remember the player who went to JUCO to become draft and follow from here.
Thanks for posting MAD.
https://www.blessyouboys.com/2...bargaining-agreement
A topic for another day is why would the Exec committee vote 8-0 against it, but the MLBPA voted to ratify 26-12. That just seems so disjointed and controversial. Is this posturing or is this real?
Ratification: The MLBPA voted to ratify the agreement by a 26- 12 vote after their executive committee voted 8- 0 against it. MLB owners voted 30- 0 in favor, making it official.
With ratification, the owners’ lockout and the transaction freeze is over. Free agents can be signed, players may be traded, and teams and players alike will submit salary requests for arbitration by March 22.
I had several of my buddies/teammates in JUCO that got drafted freshman year in the late rounds and were draft and follows. Two of them were actually red shirts in JUCO that got drafted. I believe they were in the rounds between 35-40. The two red shirts were pitchers. 90+ arms that were having some control issues. The other was a catcher that had a rocket for an arm but was a very streaky hitter. None of them signed before the next draft. Two went on to play D1 and another D2. The pitcher that went D2 ended up making it to the big league with the Angels.
Back then (late 90's) it was always a running joke that if you got drafted in rounds 30 through 40, you would get offered a cup of coffee to sign or you would be a draft and follow.
Mat Latos! Thanks anotherparent!
Thread from 2009 (draft and follow ended in 2007):
@Consultant posted:Maybe it increases the opportunity to play on a "strong" Summer League team.
"Hokieone" can project.
Bob
Are high schoolers are playing in strong summer leagues? Especially in non covid times
After 1st year in JC. The pro scout and College Coach will assist.
Bob
@Consultant posted:After 1st year in JC. The pro scout and College Coach will assist.
Bob
Wouldn't the whole point be that following the juco season the team would sign said player.
The ML team will "try" to sign, however the player, his advisor will negotiate prior to next draft. The Strong Summer team will provide the opportunity for success.
Bob
Sounds like a lot of work for a few weeks of summer baseball
A very fancy way of saying - we're not going to sign you, but go to college where we tell you and if you pan out we get first dibs before you go back into the draft
