Has anyone heard that since some of the PBLO teams are recruiting Bantams, that the OBA won`t allow kids/teams to play both? Teams ex. Team Toronto/London Badgers will have to make choice?
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see this link from Baseball Ontario
http://www.baseballontario.com/Admin/SideMenu/DispSideM...MenuID=10001&level=2
http://www.baseballontario.com/Admin/SideMenu/DispSideM...MenuID=10001&level=2
My understanding is that it is a "don't look, don't see policy". OBA is working with the PBLO on a new agreement and this is their sticky point. I can tell you there is another option to play at that level now. The Eastern Canadian Premier League (ECPL) is going into its second year and this year will see us play a spring/summer competitive schedule agains the USA c/w All-Star Game, CAN-AM Showcase Tournaments and an active website that doubles as a marketing platform for all its players c/w video.head shot and 'live" stats for each player. We have 18 teams in the league in 14U, 16U and 18U divisions - we are not OBA affiliated so the only draw back is two things, you cannot tryout for the youth team, and you cannot play in the ECPL and play for your local association at the same time. Check it out...www.theecpl.ca
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This is what the OBA has to do. We were lucky that when my son played we were allowed to play elite and OBA. Unfortunately the OYT was very weak then because many top players weren't allowed and because a certain coach only had eyes for London Badger players. Got their butts spanked.
"Players who are involved with a recognized alternative baseball program may ONLY sign with the OBA Local Association that holds their current playing rights by virtue of residence or because the player played with that OBA Local Association in 2009. If the Local Association who holds the player's rights decides NOT to sign the player, the player may NOT sign with any other OBA team during the current playing season. This means that a player playing alternative baseball can sign with an OBA team for the 2010 season BUT the only team the player may sign with is the Local Association that holds the player's playing rights. "
"Players who are involved with a recognized alternative baseball program may ONLY sign with the OBA Local Association that holds their current playing rights by virtue of residence or because the player played with that OBA Local Association in 2009. If the Local Association who holds the player's rights decides NOT to sign the player, the player may NOT sign with any other OBA team during the current playing season. This means that a player playing alternative baseball can sign with an OBA team for the 2010 season BUT the only team the player may sign with is the Local Association that holds the player's playing rights. "
Jp why would someone want to play in that league over the others. It sounds like Mel's old league.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
This is what the OBA has to do. We were lucky that when my son played we were allowed to play elite and OBA. Unfortunately the OYT was very weak then because many top players weren't allowed and because a certain coach only had eyes for London Badger players. Got their butts spanked.
"Players who are involved with a recognized alternative baseball program may ONLY sign with the OBA Local Association that holds their current playing rights by virtue of residence or because the player played with that OBA Local Association in 2009. If the Local Association who holds the player's rights decides NOT to sign the player, the player may NOT sign with any other OBA team during the current playing season. This means that a player playing alternative baseball can sign with an OBA team for the 2010 season BUT the only team the player may sign with is the Local Association that holds the player's playing rights. "
you can play PBLO and local OBA - no problem. and I know a few that do it but none on the 18u teams.
If your going to play OBA outside your area then really does not make sense to play PBLO as well - this seems like overkill.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
This is what the OBA has to do. We were lucky that when my son played we were allowed to play elite and OBA. Unfortunately the OYT was very weak then because many top players weren't allowed and because a certain coach only had eyes for London Badger players. Got their butts spanked.
"Players who are involved with a recognized alternative baseball program may ONLY sign with the OBA Local Association that holds their current playing rights by virtue of residence or because the player played with that OBA Local Association in 2009. If the Local Association who holds the player's rights decides NOT to sign the player, the player may NOT sign with any other OBA team during the current playing season. This means that a player playing alternative baseball can sign with an OBA team for the 2010 season BUT the only team the player may sign with is the Local Association that holds the player's playing rights. "
cause it's PBLO lite
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:quote:If your going to play OBA outside your area then really does not make sense to play PBLO as well - this seems like overkill.
According to the rules you can't do that.
We played both but there was no comparison. For instance my son only pitched except for a rare occasion in the elite ball. In OBA he played position as well as pitch . To us it was fun and there were some good teams like Leaside, Kitchener and others. My son stopped HS and OBA ball the year before he left for Charleston. Took a part time job and played elite that year.
My understanding now is the PBLO is under OBA. They are now considered 4A. Will have there own National Championship and tournaments. Ex. London badgers, Toronto mets, will no longer be able to play in Midget AAA OBA`s. Also heard the Windsor Selects were asked to join the PBLO. Now the PBLO will have teams across the whole prov.
Along with the changes ballboy6 pointed out I have also heard the PBLO is switching to metal bats for 16U and 18U. Any thoughts on this?
quote:Originally posted by baller88:
Along with the changes ballboy6 pointed out I have also heard the PBLO is switching to metal bats for 16U and 18U. Any thoughts on this?
Where did you hear this?
I saw it on the Toronto Mets wbesite.
http://www.torontomets.ca/News/tabid/55/Default.aspx
http://www.torontomets.ca/News/tabid/55/Default.aspx
quote:Originally posted by GoodPitching:quote:Originally posted by baller88:
Along with the changes ballboy6 pointed out I have also heard the PBLO is switching to metal bats for 16U and 18U. Any thoughts on this?
Where did you hear this?
hard to believe they would go this route.
Google "Brandon Patch" to see why
Just saw the Mets link.
quote:Originally posted by blexann:quote:Originally posted by GoodPitching:quote:Originally posted by baller88:
Along with the changes ballboy6 pointed out I have also heard the PBLO is switching to metal bats for 16U and 18U. Any thoughts on this?
Where did you hear this?
hard to believe they would go this route.
Google "Brandon Patch" to see why
Just saw the Mets link.
What boggles my mind is with all the talk about banning composite bats in the NCAA (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4351979) why would the PBLO make this move? I'd also like to know if this issue was put forth by the OBA affiliation seeing as how they uses metal all the time. I think they are taking a big step backwards in developing ball players. The PBLO wood bat only rule separated us from the rest and that was a good thing.
quote:What boggles my mind is with all the talk about banning composite bats in the NCAA
Allowing metal doesn't mean composites are allowed.
The move to metal is probably due to college using them and possible sponsorship funding. Also more home runs which will impress recruiters.
I had a composite made of carbon fiber and you could feel the flex in it when you swung the bat. Could hit much longer balls with it.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:quote:What boggles my mind is with all the talk about banning composite bats in the NCAA
Allowing metal doesn't mean composites are allowed.
The move to metal is probably due to college using them and possible sponsorship funding. Also more home runs which will impress recruiters.
I had a composite made of carbon fiber and you could feel the flex in it when you swung the bat. Could hit much longer balls with it.
good point on impressing recruiters. PBLO offence numbers are not good. Very few horme runs and not many players hitting at 300 level let alone 400.
Reason?
1. poor hitting instruction (major problem)
2. PBLO pitching is very good
There is a reason some team do not list stats on their sites. (OBJ in particular)
You know I found that funny also, that these teams do not list stats. Pitching or hitting, but are quick to put a story line on when some one either pitches well or has a big game at the plate. The Badgers do list their stats.
We only had a couple colleges ask if we had stats. They really don't care because they are so subjective.
What matters is what you show them against great competition. We never showed any stats.
What matters is what you show them against great competition. We never showed any stats.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
We only had a couple colleges ask if we had stats. They really don't care because they are so subjective.
What matters is what you show them against great competition. We never showed any stats.
true, but how do you buid your baseball resume without stats ? you then have to keep them yourself and its not official this way.
I think it's important for team sites to have full stats
Non of the teams my son played for kept stats.
As I said , only a couple asked for them and it wasn't important to any of them.
You build your resume by play well against top teams. We had built up a ton of video against great teams like OBJ, Brantford Red Sox, Long Island Tigers, Charleston Diamond Devils and many others. We edited out waste footage but didn't cherry pick. Showed the good and the bad.
The video was our best recruiting tool.
We also had a few coaches ask what showcases we attended and we told them none. Out of the 25-30 schools we talked to stats didn't mean anything. Most of the Northern schools we got interest from were at tournaments which were part of the teams schedule. The best monetary offer was from a D11 in Connecticut. It came after son pitched against the Long Island Tigers in Long Island. He was seen by a roving scout hired by the school.
You can't trust stats to evaluate a player even if they are official team stats.
As I said , only a couple asked for them and it wasn't important to any of them.
You build your resume by play well against top teams. We had built up a ton of video against great teams like OBJ, Brantford Red Sox, Long Island Tigers, Charleston Diamond Devils and many others. We edited out waste footage but didn't cherry pick. Showed the good and the bad.
The video was our best recruiting tool.
We also had a few coaches ask what showcases we attended and we told them none. Out of the 25-30 schools we talked to stats didn't mean anything. Most of the Northern schools we got interest from were at tournaments which were part of the teams schedule. The best monetary offer was from a D11 in Connecticut. It came after son pitched against the Long Island Tigers in Long Island. He was seen by a roving scout hired by the school.
You can't trust stats to evaluate a player even if they are official team stats.
One thing that surprised me was that coaches in the college ball knew a lot of players my son pitched against in the videos. for eg the Pensacola JC team in Florida had 2 London Badger players on his tea. Both were top players and both were drafted. Another college knew a few players on the Brantford team. 2 of them held batting records at Salem International in VA. UBC never recruited my son but when I called them they knew who he was and made an offer. The BB community is very small and you need to be pro active in promoting your son.
Bobblehead where did your son go to?
Also who is your son? Thanks
blexann
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Posted December 12, 2009 03:21 PM Hide Post
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Originally posted by blexann:
There is a reason some team do not list stats on their sites. (OBJ in particular)
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blexann what is the reason why OBJ do not list their stats? Bobblehead I agree with you stats do not matter with most clubs. They only matter with over eager parents.
blexann not many clubs list their stats but I am very curious why you centre out OBJ. Does your son play for another pblo team that is so much better because they list out their stats? I see stats from the Badgers, and once and a while from Team O. I know the best hitter in Ontario plays for the 16U OBJ team hands down no questions asked no debate. They do not need to publish his stats what for? Most of the time it only makes 3/4 of the team feel like **** and the other 1/4 of the parents beat their chests and say how good their kids are. How does that make them better?
Let's not try and make inuendoes about specfic PBLO teams who do not publish stats, or have indoor facilities, or who don't turn your crank on the moment in time you post things. The bottom line is all the PBLO teams from the Badgers to the OBJ's are a benefit for the kids much more than any OBA team even the OBA teams that get special recruiting treatment from the OBA. Still no match for any PBLO organization.
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The OBJ don't post their list of the most Major League Draft Picks, Major League Players, College players, tournament wins etc than any other PBLO team as well but who cares. The Terriers do a good job of that on their website but they are a young club and that is important to them. If one day OBJ feel like it so be it. If not the reason is not bad it is just their reason.
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Posted December 12, 2009 03:21 PM Hide Post
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Originally posted by blexann:
There is a reason some team do not list stats on their sites. (OBJ in particular)
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blexann what is the reason why OBJ do not list their stats? Bobblehead I agree with you stats do not matter with most clubs. They only matter with over eager parents.
blexann not many clubs list their stats but I am very curious why you centre out OBJ. Does your son play for another pblo team that is so much better because they list out their stats? I see stats from the Badgers, and once and a while from Team O. I know the best hitter in Ontario plays for the 16U OBJ team hands down no questions asked no debate. They do not need to publish his stats what for? Most of the time it only makes 3/4 of the team feel like **** and the other 1/4 of the parents beat their chests and say how good their kids are. How does that make them better?
Let's not try and make inuendoes about specfic PBLO teams who do not publish stats, or have indoor facilities, or who don't turn your crank on the moment in time you post things. The bottom line is all the PBLO teams from the Badgers to the OBJ's are a benefit for the kids much more than any OBA team even the OBA teams that get special recruiting treatment from the OBA. Still no match for any PBLO organization.
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The OBJ don't post their list of the most Major League Draft Picks, Major League Players, College players, tournament wins etc than any other PBLO team as well but who cares. The Terriers do a good job of that on their website but they are a young club and that is important to them. If one day OBJ feel like it so be it. If not the reason is not bad it is just their reason.
More info please - best hitter in ontasrio 16u? tell me about that after he has seen live pitching @90mph+ . And if he was that good he would have been on last years OBJ 17U/18U team. Their all good at 16.
maybe stats are not listed because it's all about selling THEIR program and less about the individual players.
Anyway, I am shocked to hear baseball people say Stats dont matter. Of all the professional sports Baseball is the one sport where stats are THE MOST IMPORTANT AND TELLING PIECE OF INFORMATION ON HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS OR ISNT. In fact, the last few years baseball has gone out of its way to create new stats - for example WHIP and OPS.
maybe stats are not listed because it's all about selling THEIR program and less about the individual players.
Anyway, I am shocked to hear baseball people say Stats dont matter. Of all the professional sports Baseball is the one sport where stats are THE MOST IMPORTANT AND TELLING PIECE OF INFORMATION ON HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS OR ISNT. In fact, the last few years baseball has gone out of its way to create new stats - for example WHIP and OPS.
Blex think about it.
You are talking to a college coach 1000 miles away. He has no idea how good the competition is.
I can show you MLB & Mi LB pitchers that had poor stats in college and are every day pitchers.
We weren't asked about stats by any college we talked to. They wanted video to see what you had and didn't have.
If you play weak teams your stats will look marvelous.
You are talking to a college coach 1000 miles away. He has no idea how good the competition is.
I can show you MLB & Mi LB pitchers that had poor stats in college and are every day pitchers.
We weren't asked about stats by any college we talked to. They wanted video to see what you had and didn't have.
If you play weak teams your stats will look marvelous.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Blex think about it.
You are talking to a college coach 1000 miles away. He has no idea how good the competition is.
I can show you MLB & Mi LB pitchers that had poor stats in college and are every day pitchers.
We weren't asked about stats by any college we talked to. They wanted video to see what you had and didn't have.
If you play weak teams your stats will look marvelous.
Many of the PBLO teams here have relationships with the teams down south so some/most know what the competition is like.
I would be way more impressed with a player that has very good stats playing weak competition vs a player with poor stats playing the same weak competition!
Come on posters, you seem to have way more experience (at the elite/college level) then myself yet some of the comments here are way out in left field.
Further, I would think every college coach has a different way of rating players but the one common parameter is STATS.
I find it hard to believe you were not asked for stats by your college coach but as I said above different coaches have different approaches to the recruiting process. The few college recruiting forms that I have seen has had a spot for both individual and team stats.
Blex there were some questionnaires that mentioned stats and showcases. We left them blank and never had a coach question why.
I was talking to 25 plus coaches and they wanted to see video against teams that were high ranked like OBJ. Yes PBLO and other organizations have relationships with colleges. In fact I advise players to look at where most of the players go after playing for a team. It usually shows who the team has a relationship with.
I was talking to 25 plus coaches and they wanted to see video against teams that were high ranked like OBJ. Yes PBLO and other organizations have relationships with colleges. In fact I advise players to look at where most of the players go after playing for a team. It usually shows who the team has a relationship with.
quote:Originally posted by blexann:quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Blex think about it.
You are talking to a college coach 1000 miles away. He has no idea how good the competition is.
I can show you MLB & Mi LB pitchers that had poor stats in college and are every day pitchers.
We weren't asked about stats by any college we talked to. They wanted video to see what you had and didn't have.
If you play weak teams your stats will look marvelous.
Many of the PBLO teams here have relationships with the teams down south so some/most know what the competition is like.
I would be way more impressed with a player that has very good stats playing weak competition vs a player with poor stats playing the same weak competition!
Come on posters, you seem to have way more experience (at the elite/college level) then myself yet some of the comments here are way out in left field.
Further, I would think every college coach has a different way of rating players but the one common parameter is STATS.
I find it hard to believe you were not asked for stats by your college coach but as I said above different coaches have different approaches to the recruiting process. The few college recruiting forms that I have seen has had a spot for both individual and team stats.
Blex, I hate to tell you, but Bobble is right. His kid has been through the system & mine signed last year. The coach never asked about stats. He wanted to see him throw. He never pulled out a radar gun, not even this fall. He's been coaching for so many years, that he doesn't need one. He's more concerned about mechanics & movement and control.
For hitters, it's pretty much the same thing. A player can go 0 for 4 but hit the ball hard every time, just right at the fielders. That doesn't look good on the stats, but if he hits line shots, chances are he's something you can work with.
My kid had over twenty schools look at him. Everything from Jucos to NCAA D1 & 2 universities and a couple of NAIA universities. Not one of them asked for stats. They all saw him pitch at a variety of showcases and specific fall ball trips.
A D1 coach from Kentucky asked about him in the spring when his team was playing horribly behind him and they couldn't score a run to save their lives but he was an early signing. He was not only impressed with his pitching but also his composure during an error filled game. There isn't stat for demeanor.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Blex there were some questionnaires that mentioned stats and showcases. We left them blank and never had a coach question why.
I was talking to 25 plus coaches and they wanted to see video against teams that were high ranked like OBJ. Yes PBLO and other organizations have relationships with colleges. In fact I advise players to look at where most of the players go after playing for a team. It usually shows who the team has a relationship with.
The OBJ's don't post their college signings. I've only been able to come across their signings if I was checking the rosters of certain schools and recognizing their names. And although they charged the most money, their players end up at pretty much the same caliber of schools as the most of the rest of the PBLO teams. And the Jays haven't cornered the market on drafted players either. The Terriers and the Mets seemed to have done well. Even the Rebels had a drafted player last season.
The OBJ site is not as good as the old site which had a lot more detail.
They used to get a lot of guys drafted but I don't follow the PBLO anymore so I am not sure what is going on now.
They used to get a lot of guys drafted but I don't follow the PBLO anymore so I am not sure what is going on now.
It`s just nice to see more young men from Ontario/ Canada getting chances to play college ball.
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Just to add my two cents to this conversation,
Myself personally I feel that stats overall (keep in mind I said overall, there are some exceptions that are useful: WHIP, ERA, Fiedling %, OBP just to name a few. But I don't think they have been touched on in this discussion) have become a way for the general public to view and rate players, be it at the Collegiate level or at the Pro level, outside of that Stats don't really mean much especially in the High School and below levels, then they do what one poster said make a small amount of players feel good and the rest feel bad and give more of a reason for parents to boast about little Johnny.
They in effect help players garner awards such as All-American or Golden Spikes or Cy Young's or MVP's or Silver Slugger's or Golden Glove's. And help fans have discussions about how good a player was or to compare who won what award to a player that they felt should of won the award.
I think the key word is professional here. And even then when you actually listen to Coaches or Scouts or GM's talk at the professional level they don't really talk about stats. They talk more about a guy's ability to hit the ball hard or hit it to all fields or run well or have a strong arm and have great make-up, or if their a pitcher how their composure is or their ability to locate pitches on the corners or if they have a strong arm etc, etc, etc.
There are stats that pro orginalzations use on a daily basis that are valuable, but at the High School levels and even at the Collegiate level most programs don't use them, because of the cost factor. I can't remember which sports mag it was but in the spring it talked about a fielding stat that is being used that rates how many runs per game a fielder saves or allows. A stat like that is valuable, but no HS program keeps that stat.
How about we change what you said from weak competition to just competition and let's take a look at the 1988 seaon (I believe that was the year) Nolan Ryan had he went 8-16 yet he lead the league in ERA and K's.
There are 4 stat's there Wins, Losses, ERA and K's. Out of those 4, which are the most relveant to helping a team win? To me it's ERA and the other 3 stats don't mean a thing to Ryan's overall ability to helping the team win. The ERA and W-L record tell me that when he went out and pitched he didn't give up many runs and he helped give his team a chance to win, yet his team had trouble scoring runs or they were a bad fielding team when he pitched and had too many errors that led to unearned runs. His K's well heck it's Nolan Ryan you know the guy is going to strike out a ton of guys over a season. You ask a sports fan about that season and they'll say Ryan had a bad year just look at his W-L, but if you actually watched him pitch every game that season I'll bet you would say he had a pretty good year things just didn't go his way when he was on the mound.
College Coaches aren't as obessed with looking at stats as most people think, until you play for them, then they put more value into a stat line, because then you're playing for them, in their legaue and they watch you practice and play and they see and know the competition. My College Coach wasn't big on overall stats, but when it had to do with Conference games he always put a little more emphasis on them. But even then it wasn't your standard Pitcher's W-L, BB, K, ERA, H, HR, RBI's, SB that he cared about. He cared about things like hitting with runners in scoring position, how many runners were left stranded, batting average against RHP and LHP or Opponents batting average and unearned runs and fielding percentage.
A belated Happy New Year to you all!
Myself personally I feel that stats overall (keep in mind I said overall, there are some exceptions that are useful: WHIP, ERA, Fiedling %, OBP just to name a few. But I don't think they have been touched on in this discussion) have become a way for the general public to view and rate players, be it at the Collegiate level or at the Pro level, outside of that Stats don't really mean much especially in the High School and below levels, then they do what one poster said make a small amount of players feel good and the rest feel bad and give more of a reason for parents to boast about little Johnny.
They in effect help players garner awards such as All-American or Golden Spikes or Cy Young's or MVP's or Silver Slugger's or Golden Glove's. And help fans have discussions about how good a player was or to compare who won what award to a player that they felt should of won the award.
quote:Originally posted by blexann:
Of all the professional sports Baseball is the one sport where stats are THE MOST IMPORTANT AND TELLING PIECE OF INFORMATION ON HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS OR ISNT. In fact, the last few years baseball has gone out of its way to create new stats - for example WHIP and OPS.
I think the key word is professional here. And even then when you actually listen to Coaches or Scouts or GM's talk at the professional level they don't really talk about stats. They talk more about a guy's ability to hit the ball hard or hit it to all fields or run well or have a strong arm and have great make-up, or if their a pitcher how their composure is or their ability to locate pitches on the corners or if they have a strong arm etc, etc, etc.
There are stats that pro orginalzations use on a daily basis that are valuable, but at the High School levels and even at the Collegiate level most programs don't use them, because of the cost factor. I can't remember which sports mag it was but in the spring it talked about a fielding stat that is being used that rates how many runs per game a fielder saves or allows. A stat like that is valuable, but no HS program keeps that stat.
quote:Originally posted by blexann:
I would be way more impressed with a player that has very good stats playing weak competition vs a player with poor stats playing the same weak competition!
How about we change what you said from weak competition to just competition and let's take a look at the 1988 seaon (I believe that was the year) Nolan Ryan had he went 8-16 yet he lead the league in ERA and K's.
There are 4 stat's there Wins, Losses, ERA and K's. Out of those 4, which are the most relveant to helping a team win? To me it's ERA and the other 3 stats don't mean a thing to Ryan's overall ability to helping the team win. The ERA and W-L record tell me that when he went out and pitched he didn't give up many runs and he helped give his team a chance to win, yet his team had trouble scoring runs or they were a bad fielding team when he pitched and had too many errors that led to unearned runs. His K's well heck it's Nolan Ryan you know the guy is going to strike out a ton of guys over a season. You ask a sports fan about that season and they'll say Ryan had a bad year just look at his W-L, but if you actually watched him pitch every game that season I'll bet you would say he had a pretty good year things just didn't go his way when he was on the mound.
quote:Originally posted by blexann:
Further, I would think every college coach has a different way of rating players but the one common parameter is STATS.
College Coaches aren't as obessed with looking at stats as most people think, until you play for them, then they put more value into a stat line, because then you're playing for them, in their legaue and they watch you practice and play and they see and know the competition. My College Coach wasn't big on overall stats, but when it had to do with Conference games he always put a little more emphasis on them. But even then it wasn't your standard Pitcher's W-L, BB, K, ERA, H, HR, RBI's, SB that he cared about. He cared about things like hitting with runners in scoring position, how many runners were left stranded, batting average against RHP and LHP or Opponents batting average and unearned runs and fielding percentage.
A belated Happy New Year to you all!
