Observations and questions

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All dances and tribal rituals in the world will not help you make a tackle or catch a pass. Just play the game.

Football teams have their rituals. They just may not be out in the open to the public as this one due to it's uniqueness.

The Haka would look rediculous done by a baseball team. But I've seen all kinds of rituals done in football and basketball at the high school and college level. The games are played at a different level of emotion.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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All dances and tribal rituals in the world will not help you make a tackle or catch a pass. Just play the game.

Football teams have their rituals. They just may not be out in the open to the public as this one due to it's uniqueness.

The Haka would look rediculous done by a baseball team. But I've seen all kinds of rituals done in football and basketball at the high school and college level. The games are played at a different level of emotion.

Yes - and I am sure that you think that most of us dont understand that - or are incapable of doing so. LOL

I am also sure that you do not agree that some of us may think it is akin to a circus act - and has nothing to do with actually playing the game. Or having dignity. Or having respect for your opponent.

I believe you understand it. I also believe you're ignoring it to serve the purpose of being antagonistic as you've been in every post you've made in every thread in the past hour. Have a nice day!

Ill tell you what I see when I see these guys dancing before and during the game. Show! A bunch of show. Look at me! Look at us! Its nothing more than a circus act. It has no place in any game even football. You see baseball players wouldnt put up with that mess. They would stick one in your ear hole.

Coach May,

You described it much better - and much more accurately than I did.

Simply - A mess.

IMO

I wonder if the antics put on by the Yankee Skipper Billy Martin would be considered undignified and a "clown act", or could Billy have had a "purpose" that deals with the human psyche in helping others to reach down into their own emptional reservoir to bring into action the primordial ancestral "YAWP" that Robin Williams so eloquently teaches about in the classic film "Dead Poet Society".

Each man deals with his inner fears in his own way, but a team prepares to do battle as a team...thus it appears to some who fancy themselves above the frey, known as "loners" to advocate the "non-participation" stance.

My suggestion for those is play video games, in the solitude of your own greatness.
JMO

3 pages on the Hawaiian "boogaloo"?

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Originally posted by LLorton:
I wonder if the antics put on by the Yankee Skipper Billy Martin would be considered undignified and a "clown act", or could Billy have had a "purpose" that deals with the human psyche in helping others to reach down into their own emptional reservoir to bring into action the primordial ancestral "YAWP" that Robin Williams so eloquently teaches about in the classic film "Dead Poet Society".

Each man deals with his inner fears in his own way, but a team prepares to do battle as a team...thus it appears to some who fancy themselves above the frey, known as "loners" to advocate the "non-participation" stance.

My suggestion for those is play video games, in the solitude of your own greatness.
JMO

BS

Billy Martin was a drunk - who lost himself to alcohol.

He was an embarassment when he managed the Yankees.

Ancestral "YAWP - LOL - by that great athletic legend - Robin Williams (a cokehead by the way)

Sounds like a baby boomer piece of nonsense to me. IMO.

The antics put on by Billy Martin were just that "antics". He did not get in the batters box. He did not field a posistion. He was the manager. Did it motivate his players? I doubt it. Did it get the fans going? Some. But the fact is the Yankees didnt get on the field and do a dance. I played college football. We used whatever worked for us internally to motivate us. But if I looked across a field and saw them dancing and acting like clowns that would have motivated me to send them to the circus like Ga did.

Much ado about nada here my friends. If the Ha'a gets you this fired up nearly a week later then maybe it's not to be long lived. The NCAA will prolly ban it. LOL.
Hey its, you gonna LOL in this guy's grill? LOL

Spizzle - I would just play the game.

I would let other people do the laughing and dancing and circus acts.

And I would never disrespect my opponent or act like an *** on any field. Ever.

Win or lose. I would act like an athlete - and not like a trained circus animal.

Can he read Clint Hurdles words below his picture?

Let me add this - If either of my sons ever did this dancing stuff - I would come out of the stands and we would have a good old fashioned dust up.

Over my dead body will they ever act like this on an athletic field.

Billy Martin was a great Yankee player because of his fierce competitve spirit. Some people call it "heart" others call it "guts"

I have watched as each football team starts there game prep with jumping jacks while the team yells their schools name and lettering. Is that a ritual by "clowns", like to see you tell them to their face and se what happens to you.

In baseball it use to be okay to talk-it-up which is another form of the same sort of ritual to elicit team spirit and maintain focus.

Things have changed over time, and I'm certain that many would agree that the game has not turned out for the better as we see what has happened with each layer of corruption as the skin is pulled back.
JMO

Hey we can all agree that the Hawaii football team was humbled pretty f**in severely. So what gives? Are you just piling on or is there a better reason for this?

Chatter in baseball? You mean LL? You cheer for a team mate. Hey lets go Bob you can do it. Good play Joey.

Are you equating doing jumping jacks and cheering your school name during warms ups with doing a tribal war dance on the football field?

Im not for chatter. Im not for "Hey batter batter batter". Or "G o o d e y e Goodeye Goodeye Goodeye!"

Just play the game. Show emotion for your team mates but do it with class and respect for your oponent and the game. Is that so hard to understand?

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Originally posted by LLorton:
Billy Martin was a great Yankee player because of his fierce competitve spirit. Some people call it "heart" others call it "guts"

I have watched as each football team starts there game prep with jumping jacks while the team yells their schools name and lettering. Is that a ritual by "clowns", like to see you tell them to their face and se what happens to you.

In baseball it use to be okay to talk-it-up which is another form of the same sort of ritual to elicit team spirit and maintain focus.

Things have changed over time, and I'm certain that many would agree that the game has not turned out for the better as we see what has happened with each layer of corruption as the skin is pulled back.
JMO

Billy Martin - when he was a manager - was a fall down drunk. Most people around him - depsite his unique abilities as a baseball person - worried every day whether he would be dead because of it. Then - he was dead because of it.

Football teams warming up - while the Cheerleaders do their thing - have nothing to do with the players dancing like fools - and then getting their asses beat.

I would say that to any player that did that. I would also give them the advice I am giving here. Play the game - with class and dignity - dont sell out, dont disrespect your opponent and dont make a god **** fool of yourself - for anybody or for any amount of money.

If they wanted to fight because of that - we would fight - so what?

It has nothing to do with the message.

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I would say that to any player that did that. I would also give them the advice I am giving here. Play the game - with class and dignity - dont sell out, dont disrespect your opponent and dont make a god **** fool of yourself - for anybody or for any amount of money.

So does this mean that you're officially throwing your name in for the job at UH? LOL

Spizzle,

What are the odds they would even let me on the campus?

They would probably have 1 or 2 of those 300 pound dancers waiting for me - and prepared to throw me a good beating.

LOL

You speak of class and dignity then insult the memory of one of the members of baseball history...good or bad, we donot speak ill of the dead. That's of course if you have any class or dignity to speak about.
JMO

LLorton,

I didnt insult him - nor do I speak ill of him.
I just told you the truth.

Billy Martin was a fall down drunk.
I am sure that anyone with a heart and soul - cared about him. As any human being should.

But the truth is the truth.

If that is classless - and not dignified - so be it.

You should ask Robin Williams about it. I am sure that coker can shed some light on the situation.

Its all cool right? LOL

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You see baseball players wouldnt put up with that mess. They would stick one in your ear hole.

You mean like when hitters stand at the plate to admire and applaud their homers? I don't see any retaliation. I'm not condoning any of the behavior. I'm stating it exists and isn't going away.

So when a hitter stands there for a second and admires a hr that also equates to doing a tribal war dance?

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Originally posted by Coach May:
So when a hitter stands there for a second and admires a hr that also equates to doing a tribal war dance?

There are players standing there for longer than a second. Besides, unless the ball is going to be a no doubt about it, thirty feet over the fence homer they should out of the box at the crack of the bat. I love it when a hitter admires his hit and it bangs off the top of the fence for a standup single. But what happens in game is hotdogging regardless of the sport, and worse than any pregame rituals.

We will just have to disagree on this one. No way baseball players act like other sports. Especially at the college and pro levels. Its not even close. But thats fine we all have our opinions.

Might as well do away with all of these silly pre- game rituals and get on with the game. Better yet, let's just get the football games over with and get on with baseball.

Nice pictures!

All I know is that the NY Giants did not dance before the game nor after but they beat Tampa Bay and young ELI MANNING grew into a major force today---way to go ELI

TR Im not a Giants fan. But I really love the way those guys are playing. Eli looks like he is really growing up out there. And the whole team is playing with alot of passion. Great win for them today.

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Originally posted by Coach May:
We will just have to disagree on this one. No way baseball players act like other sports. Especially at the college and pro levels. Its not even close. But thats fine we all have our opinions.

Baseball is played at a different emotional level. But there are baseball players doing things they wouldn't do in past years. Gibson would have stuck a fastball in Manny's ear after the antics he pulled at the plate on his post season homers. Go back a few years and if a pitcher showed too much emotion towards a hitter after a K the hitter might push a bunt down the line the next at-bat to say hello to the pitcher.

While football and basketball are much worse we've become an in your face, put you down with trash talk society. When my son played 10U travel basketball he said the ghetto team they were playing was talking trash. 10yo's!

You can even buy the tee shirts with the trash talk. My son came home with one a couple of years ago. I threw it away. I told him to do his talking with his skills.

I told him when he plays against the ghetto team if he wanted to get in their heads, don't acknowledge the trash talk even with a look.

Hey Y'all-
Not a fan of June, June has nothing to do with what has been a lovely culure in Hawaii. He's a newbie. But you must know that the celebrated dance of the Hawaiian culture has been and will always be. It does not matter if it pertains to the weather, to life, to sports, it is a way of life.
I do not know what a 'war dance' means.
I would think it means something more to those that are actually performing it than those that are not understanding it.
A, ala, watchful, alertness
L, lokahi, working with unity
O, oia'i'o, truthful honesty
H, ha'aha'a, humility
A, ahonui, patient perseverance

Take it in, it can be useful in sports and in life.

For those that take pride in talking them down - whatever helps you through the day. You miss the whole point. Aloha!

RJM

Just what is a ghetto team ?

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Originally posted by RJM:


Here's a clip of Trinity (TX) High School. They were state champions. The guy leading this might intimidate the "average" high school player.

Trinity pregame

I showed my Soph son this clip after his season last year and he decided to just play baseball

This very same issue arose in December here in Oregon when a local high school - historically one of the state's most troubled socially and academically schools, adopted the Haka as part of their pre-game ritual.

They did the dance pre-game, on the field, directed at the opposing team. When they were flagged for it (taunting) the team took a vote and decided to do the dance each game anyway, and just accept the penalty.

I thought this was a horrible lesson for high school kids, especially kids who face the built -in challenges of these particular kids, coming from a high school that is famous in Oregon for its poor achievement and social problems.

I said so in a post on my blog and a lot of people really hammered me.

I stand by what I wrote, though. It might be a bit different for college players, especially for a school such as Hawaii, where the players generally ARE from the culture from which this dance comes.

But I still don't like it. (And by the way, I like June Jones - he spent a lot of time in Portland, I've spent a lot of time around him, and he is a class guy.)

Not a Haka dance fan, though.

Heard at GA's press conference after the game that the coach said, "They AREN'T who we thought they were!"

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Just what is a ghetto team ?

Team from the ghetto.

Hey guys, some of the teams may have South Sea Islanders for whom the Haka is part of their culture. But....if the All Blacks hadn't been using the haka for so long while they have been so dominating in International Rugby, this haku-lite-imitation wouldn't be happening. Don't worry, it will fade soon, to reimerge in 2011 after the next World Cup.

I don't see a big difference, in principle, between the gyrations of the cheerleaders and the players attempting the haka. Seeing guys in helmets and kevlar protective gear going all native war dancey is every bit as much bemusing (and amusing) as girls in abreviated outfits shouting out cheering instructions to the people in the stands. (Baseball fans are smarter...most know when to cheer all by themselves.)

Seeing New Zealand's haka in person was inflippingcredible; got to see it some years ago v Ireland when the team was primarily Maori. (New Zealand, not Ireland...that would just be silly.) Of course, these are huge men about to engage in a sport requiring more stamina and physicallity than American Football while wearing shorts and polo shirts. Calling on tribal origins is understandable.

Haka Compliation

Oh My Orlando!
That complilation is hot!