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Ok, here's your chance.  Name one pothole you would warn others about from your own (and your son's) going through the HS-and-beyond baseball experience.  Lets limit it to things you can control (sorta).  These may end up all over the map...but thats ok with me.  I'm hoping this will be informative and maybe even fun?

 

I'm also aware that my "pothole" may be your golden egg.  

 

Here's mine.  Advisors.  All over the map.  Our son went through at least 4 on his way through HS and college and early minor leagues.  In fact, so all over the map in terms of performance, credibility, integrity(?) and reliability...that I wouldn't know how to advise you about selecting one other than to say...pothole - beware!

 

(BTW, our son only "rid himself" of one of them...the other 2 (the 4th is his current agent) exited all on their own...and "exit" without a forwarding address is just what they did).  

 

Ok, your turn...no names please, just "potholes."  

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THAT is a great way of looking at interest!
 
Originally Posted by HVbaseballDAD:

Learning the difference between a school casting a wide net and real interest.  Take a step back and think about who is the buyer and who is the seller.  The goal is to be the buyer.  Who's phone is ringing? - yours or theirs.  That can tell you everything.

 

Well said!  It is sad to see how many parents/players think an email means they are being recruited.  Our rule:  if you haven't spoken personally to a coach - you aren't being recruited.
 
That is a pothole we recognized/realized early and were able to stay out of.  However I wish I could say the same for the other families out there....we try to politely tell them but they have blinders on.  (I can't tell you how many people I have heard saying Stanford is recruiting them....  I think there are about 200,000 baseball players that get the Stanford emails!)
 
Originally Posted by HVbaseballDAD:

Learning the difference between a school casting a wide net and real interest.  Take a step back and think about who is the buyer and who is the seller.  The goal is to be the buyer.  Who's phone is ringing? - yours or theirs.  That can tell you everything.

 

Originally Posted by BBALLFAN2012:
Well said!  It is sad to see how many parents/players think an email means they are being recruited.  Our rule:  if you haven't spoken personally to a coach - you aren't being recruited.
 

To prove a point to another parent I got my dog invited to the same camp as their son. I filled out the same online form they filled out for my dog. I had to lie on the dog's sixty time. They wouldn't have believed he runs the sixty in five seconds.

Pothole? - potholes.

Literally... if there were one in the road, my kid would find it, fall in it or try to jump over it and get hurt.

 

So, trying to turn that into a more serious learning point, I still don't know what I would have done differently.  It's both his blessing and curse.  When he competes, he goes 1000%.  It is what has allowed him to stay in the game thus far into college.  It is also what has come very close to putting him out of the game many, many times.

Good topic JB, been thinking hard all day about this.

 

I found the whole process to be overwhelming, that's why I try to help folks understand, but sometimes folks don't want to listen.

 

Looking back I don't think I would change much, but then again all situations are different and we did what was best for our player, which is the number one thing to always remember.

 

I don't know what pothole (s) I would avoid, can't speak for son, but looking back there are two minor things (sorry I know you said just one).

 

I would make him take more ownership to the process and I would sit and enjoy more games instead of worrying about what coach was watching, what scout, and what velocity he was throwing, maybe not in that order.  I understand it is tough, I still have a hard time with it, and in the end, things do tend to work out.

 

 

Originally Posted by TPM:

Good topic JB, been thinking hard all day about this.

 

I found the whole process to be overwhelming, that's why I try to help folks understand, but sometimes folks don't want to listen.

 

Looking back I don't think I would change much, but then again all situations are different and we did what was best for our player, which is the number one thing to always remember.

 

I don't know what pothole (s) I would avoid, can't speak for son, but looking back there are two minor things (sorry I know you said just one).

 

I would make him take more ownership to the process and I would sit and enjoy more games instead of worrying about what coach was watching, what scout, and what velocity he was throwing, maybe not in that order.  I understand it is tough, I still have a hard time with it, and in the end, things do tend to work out.

 

 

Good advice...

With my daughter (softball) I felt like I was blindfolded and playing pin the tail on the college. Fortunately the right school found her. The biggest mistake was wrong showcases. Sometimes we were throwing spaghetti off the wall to see what stuck. Between that and finding this site we developed a business plan for my son. Then he got injured (seriously) and ended up walking on. But the process aligned him with a mentor who recommended him to the program.

jbb, you can really come up with some doozies. This a great topic.

From  my perspective, the very biggest pothole was underestimating the quantity of very/highly  talented  prospects who compete for D1 roster spots in California every year coupled with overestimating how few slots/openings there are in all D1 programs, combined, in California each year to accommodate all that talent.  Talk about a lesson in supply and demand!   I should not have missed those 8am econ classes. .

Thanks infielddad...I ponder these things for a while before I start them.  And still, I worry that I pushed the wrong button.  

 

Since we've had 2 sons go through the recruiting process, I'm gonna use my second son to post a second pothole.  

 

(I was reminded of it while having lunch with my favorite HS baseball coach today...as I am presently an unemployed and furloughed federal employee - non-essential rocket scientist!  ).

 

My 2nd pothole...which we largely avoided...was over-pitching our son.  Both of our sons were well-known pitchers in our area and both were in high demand from area travel clubs.  "Rent-a-pitcher" is a common practice amongst travel coaches as they 'stock up' for weekend tournaments.  But I was wiser the 2nd time around...and I listened to hsbaseballweb advice too!...and we exercised much more control on son #2 as he progressed through HS.

 

Since #2 was a decent hitter too, we did indeed let him play Fall ball and other 'extracurricular' venues.  But inevitably in one of these venues, he was asked to pitch...at least a little.  So I implemented 'restraints' such as...no more than 2 innings...and within those 2 innings, you get 1 curveball per inning...work on fastball command and your changeup.  I told him, 'you choose where to use it.'

 

Pothole?  Yes.  Improved parental management?  I think yes on that too.  

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A pothole I would share came up more during the my son’s pre-recruitment years.  While it might not fit JBB's topic exactly I think it’s still part of the process so I’ll throw mine out there…

 

I should have taken more responsibility to educate myself about the importance of protecting our sons arm during his 12-15 YO years. At that point we had no idea he would/could play at an advanced level so I didn't think much about it and let him play A LOT of weekend tournaments.  Looking back I think the wear and tear on his arm at a younger age caused him some troubles later down the line (he was out for most of his junior year with an impingement).

 

It all worked out however looking in the rear view mirror those weekends where he pitched 7 to 10 innings and then played SS was a big pothole in my opinion.

Originally Posted by justbaseball:

Thanks infielddad...I ponder these things for a while before I start them.  And still, I worry that I pushed the wrong button.  

 

Since we've had 2 sons go through the recruiting process, I'm gonna use my second son to post a second pothole.  

 

(I was reminded of it while having lunch with my favorite HS baseball coach today...as I am presently an unemployed and furloughed federal employee - non-essential rocket scientist!  ).

 

My 2nd pothole...which we largely avoided...was over-pitching our son.  Both of our sons were well-known pitchers in our area and both were in high demand from area travel clubs.  "Rent-a-pitcher" is a common practice amongst travel coaches as they 'stock up' for weekend tournaments.  But I was wiser the 2nd time around...and I listened to hsbaseballweb advice too!...and we exercised much more control on son #2 as he progressed through HS.

 

Since #2 was a decent hitter too, we did indeed let him play Fall ball and other 'extracurricular' venues.  But inevitably in one of these venues, he was asked to pitch...at least a little.  So I implemented 'restraints' such as...no more than 2 innings...and within those 2 innings, you get 1 curveball per inning...work on fastball command and your changeup.  I told him, 'you choose where to use it.'

 

Pothole?  Yes.  Improved parental management?  I think yes on that too.  

This is exactly what my son's College coach does with his projected starters. Freshmen and transfers get many more inning in the Fall. He needs to see what they can do.

Great topic JB.  Potholes?  Let's see, after reading some of the responses thus far....my son played on a few of the best Travel Teams in So-Cal as a two-way player, so that doesn't apply.  He attended several showcases and college camps, and I spent a chunk of change...but I wouldn't call it a Pothole, because I thoroughly enjoyed our time together.  I too tried to limit my son's innings on the bump during the Fall/Winter, but did a poor job protecting him.  The number of innings pitched during his senior year of HS including Scout-Ball, Travel-Ball, HS Spring, and the numerous showcase camps easily exceeded 175 innings, in addition to playing in the outfield.  That likely led to his torn UCL the following year!? Yep...that's my Pothole!  Try not to get caught up in the hoopla for your son, and do what's best for him. Parental Management is good advice.

We are in the midst of 2014 panic so I'm still figuring out our potholes. So far the biggest one in my mind is letting him play basketball last winter instead of attending camps and working on off-season hitting, etc. Being a three sport athlete has been a good experience with that major exception. Now we are behind the 8 Ball still looking for the right fit for his college years and feeling like he's running out of time!

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