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Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by momandcpa:
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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
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Originally posted by oldbat-never:
And when was the last time a Parent called the pitches during the games??????


Happens more than you realize. Wink


Have I myself ever played the game of baseball? NOPE!

Have I seen some parents push their children too far (in lots of things)? SURE, I HAVE!

Have I seen a bunch of baseball games in the past 15+ years? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!

Have I seen parents calling pitches since the wee years of Little League? HECK NO!!! (Guess I must live in the same little sheltered world as OBN.)


Like me experiencing womanhood..........

There are somethings none of us will ever understand.
B BeenVeryGoodToMe10+ posts
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And a parent that wouldn't allow their son to throw a curveball till he was 15 and now he is "behind the curve" so to speak and paying the price...he might not be on the mound much because of it but he is HEALTHY and that is what counts

Note that the kid who didn't throw a curve until 15 is currently doing quite well on the mound. Mainly throws FB's and Change-ups - and locating them well - but also has a very good 11-5 type curveball that he uses very effectively. Had some great outings last year that hopefully continues into this season...and his arm is very healthy.
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Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by oldbat-never:
I am a parent that doesn't call pitches. Big Grin
And a parent that wouldn't allow their son to throw a curveball till he was 15 and now he is "behind the curve" so to speak and paying the price...he might not be on the mound much because of it but he is HEALTHY and that is what counts.


Your right. Health is what really counts.

Because when it's all said and done, each one of our children will eventually never play this game again.

And for the vast majority, most will see this happen sooner than later.

But in the end, it's those who learn to handle the "curveballs" that have the most success.

If we could only convience some parents to take a little off that fastball. Wink
Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by theygrowupfast:
Ken,

Thanks for taking my question a totally twisting it around.

If you read the top of my post, I stated I was not criticizing or applauding. Just wanted some thoughts.

My saying I'm assuming he will go as long as he can Tues. was based on what my son told me. Not a parent getting involved or assuming.

Ken, why don't you stop assuming!


Cooked the Earl Campbell's in a pot tonight. Had to stir them quite a bit though.

MMMMMMMMMMM.......good. Big Grin
oldbat-neveroldbat-never1,000+ posts
beenverygoodtome:
I was speaking of my own son as an example and it is similar only to yours in the lack of throwing a curve till 15. My son is a HS senior and he is behind all of those boys that have been throwing it for years and it is costing him dearly, sorry for the confusion.....I added the "I am" to the post as it didn't read the way it was suppossed to when I typed it.
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tychcotychco1,000+ posts
I shoulda guessed a thread called "Opinions" would grow to three pages in a bit o'er an hour.

Next thing you know collikar will be in here with her cotton-pickin' purple pen, and then we's all had it.

Now I gotta go. Boy plays his first game that counts on Thursday and I need to go over my scoutin' report...I'll be a'callin' pitches for da coach Thursday, you know...
oldbat-neveroldbat-never1,000+ posts
So should we go full circle and get back to the original question (sorry about the diversion TGUF):
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Originally posted by theygrowupfast:
I'm not criticizing or applauding the decision, just wanted some thoughts.

Like most teams Saturday, we finished up our scrimmages in prep for Tuesdays non-district openers.
We played twelve innings and most of our pitchers threw. Our #1 guy, who will start Tuesday, threw second in the game and threw three innings. With Tuesdays game right around the corner, was this a little much? not enough? or about right?

Any thoughts?
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Ken GuthrieKen Guthrie1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by oldbat-never:
So should we go full circle and get back to the original question (sorry about the diversion TGUF):
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Originally posted by theygrowupfast:
I'm not criticizing or applauding the decision, just wanted some thoughts.

Like most teams Saturday, we finished up our scrimmages in prep for Tuesdays non-district openers.
We played twelve innings and most of our pitchers threw. Our #1 guy, who will start Tuesday, threw second in the game and threw three innings. With Tuesdays game right around the corner, was this a little much? not enough? or about right?

Any thoughts?


I think it was way too much. Any coach that would do this is only putting a MLB career in question.

On second thought, I don't think it was enough. In order for #1 to have his best stuff he should throw until he feels right about his stuff.

No, really it's just about right. He struck out the side in the 5th. Scouts were there and said the radar showed 90mph 4 times.

"guilty of stirring the pot first when posting as a future baseball parent second."

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
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C crawdad100+ posts
My observation comes from a long time in baseball...I played in the early 80's, have 18 and 20 year old sons, and now have a 8 year old son playing ball. I have NEVER seen as many 8 year old kids throwing curve balls as I have with my youngest. And it IS the parents because these little turds are getting pitching lessons paid for and encouraged by their parents. These parents want their 8 year old to dominate at 8 years of age - and I don't mean getting outs they want strikeouts!

With all the above being said, I still think the bigger problem is the recent (past 5-10 years) emphasis on year around baseball. I don't think there is any real harm in doing this (other than burn out) for position players but there is no way that kid pitchers should play three full seasons of baseball every year in addition to a tournament or camp or two during the winter "break". Some of these young arms don't get more than a 3 week break at any time during the year.

My 18 year old son never pitched in the fall until this past fall (his senior year in HS). It has not hurt him - he seems to be able to compete very well. He has never had any arm trouble at all and has never missed a start in his baseball career (other than when he broke his scapulas in a non-baseball accident).

Parents are so afraid that if their son skips a season (summer or fall) that he will fall behind the "elite" players. I promise you - if he really is an "elite" player nothing could be further from the truth.
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