Packer fans

WHERE HAVE ALL THE PACKERS GONE?

Where have all the Packers gone?
With Favre passing
Where have all the Packers gone?
Wrong time to go
Where have all the Packers gone?
DB's have picked him every one
When will they ever win?
when will they ever win?

gotwood...I liked that.

The Packers have hammered the Bears for 13 of the last 15 years. Don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back for finally having a good seaon. Good luck in the playoffs without an offense. Oh, maybe now that Grossman is playing it will have turned around (if he makes it the next 3 games w/o getting hurt.

What does thathave to do with the Packers? They looked great last night.

I love how all the Bears come out when the win...typical.

Don't worry your season will only last one game longer than the Packers this year...and you won't have Reggie Bush to show for it.

Good luck to you with Rex at QB...you'll need it.

The Bears are not a great football team. But the Packers success the last several years has nothing to do with being a good organization....it has been tied to the performance of a once-great quarterback, who like the team is in decline. Bush or no Bush (The Texans are going to grab him) the Pack is going back into hibernation...who knows it could be another 25 years---1968-1993.

Not being a great organization?

That comming from a bears fan is really a slap (as you guys have the market cornered on bad organizational traits)

We had one of the most respecected GM's in the game as well as a head coach who's assistants are now head coaches in record numbers.

We go through one bad year and its over?!?...we're not the Bears...we'll bounce back.

We're 25 mil under the salary cap and have an up and comming defense.

Bring your lunchbox on Sunday beacuse it's gonna be a fight to the end.

I believe that the Packers had a load of injuries this year which does not help a QB with old legs

Fastball

In this day and age with free agency and salary caps a team can turn its fortunes around in a matter of 2 or 3 years

as I said, the Bears are not a great team. But if anyone has the idea that the Packers have done well because of a great plan or organization.....sorry I disagree. It was #4 that made the team special.

Football is a team game.

#4 is 1 of the best ever. Even he, however, requires the assistance of the other 21 players!

Dan Marino was even better, but those other 21 players and Dan played in exactly 1 Super Bowl.

What Blazer says is true, every bit of it.

Bears are just big cubs.

soxnole:

quote:

Bears are just big cubs.

And we all know what you think of cubs!

24 and 4 against the Bears! (Favre)
12 NFL Championships(League leading) to 9

Most touchdown passes in Soldier Field History of ANY QB (Brett Favre)

1st TD pass new soldier field (Brett Favre)
1st 300 yard game new Soldier field (Brett Favre).
1st Blocked punt ( Packers)
1st INT (Packers)
1st 100 yard rusher (Ahman Green)
1st fumble recovery ( Packers)

C'mon give it up already! The only reason the Bears are leading the division is because
1st RB Green out
2nd RB Davenport out
3rd RB Tony Fischer out several weeks
4th RB Gado out
1st Receiver Walker out
3rd Receiver Ferguson out most of season
4th Receiver Murphy out for season.
1st Tight end Franks out most of season.

Enjoy your one year in the sun via default. The Packers went from 29th to 5th in the NFL in team defense without making a single personnel change. They are 30 million under the salary cap for next year(4th in the NFL). Can you say quick turn around? The Packers take 1 year to rebuild while it has taken the Bears 20. The Bears are built and nowhere near an NFL elite team. They are at their peak right now with no chance of beating any AFC playoff team for at least 2 years.

Next year will be another strong year for the Packers. As the Bears will once again be a flash in the pan as they were a few years ago.

By the way, the Packers had the best won loss record in the NFL during the last 10 years heading into this season.

Rip Favre all you want, he has torched your team forever.

Who is this Favre guy?..."he has torched your team forever"...sounds like Chief Joseph..."I shall fight no more forever."

Who ripped Favre?

It may have been my Peter, Paul, and Mary Where Have All the Flowers Gone? parody.

Favre, in my book, deserves the utmost of respect...it's just that the Packers this year are very sub-par...especially as compared to the last decade or so.

The great thing is that the Packers may actually be deluded into thinking theyaq re a few players away. This team relied on a great QB, and he was great....but without him they woudl have been an average up one year down the next team. And even though he is dangerous, his time is just about up......and Aaron Rogers is no Brett Favre.

Favre can still play. Can still move well enough to buy time to throw and still has great zip on the ball. In his prime he had fantastic coaches and a solid defense, good line, receivers and running game. It is the loss of surrounding talent more than his decline that has led to Packers offensive woes.
Put Manning or anyone you want in GB this year and you have similar #'s, there is simply nothing available and Favre then must force things to try and make something happen.
Conversely, put Favre with the Bears the last 15 years and while they would have been somewhat better the surrounding talent simply wasn't there. Soxnole was right, a team game all the way.

Farve looks like he is done, not physically, but mentally. Maybe if they were contenders he wouldn't just throw it up for grabs so much. While I can't argue that Rodgers is no Farve (how many hall of fame guys are second to Marino in all the top categories), it is way too early to tell if he can play or how good he will be in the NFL. It is still too early to tell if Grossman or Orten wil be any good. Parity allows teams to come back quickly. With high picks (if they don't blow them) and money under the cap, a team can come back fast.
As a Packer fan since 1961, this season didn't bother me. they have had a good run and THE WHITE SOX WON THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!

Agreed, although Favre has really struggled this year. Who's fault is it when he throws interception after interception?

It will be an even better Christmas today as the Bears clinch a home playoff game in January. I guess my season tickets finally payed off this year. To clinch the division on Christmas and in Green Bay against the Packers. Sounds like Christmas to me.

Don't count your chickens...errr.... blessings!

The Bears are divisional champs. Possibly could have two home games in January when the Seahawks have another playoff meltdown. Like I said, another 4 interceptions for Farve today.

Division Champs has a nice ring to it. This team obviously believes in itself, the coaches and that's all they need. The predicted (on this site) collapse or meltdown or playing like the worst playoff team in NFL history didn't happen. Too many naysayers here for our city's team.

Right again Rosy. They are Divisional Champions and are arguably the best team in the history of the NFL. Possibly best defense ever and now an offense that plays well when it matters most. Only the curmudgeons and naysayers and bah humbuggers would argue.

I was one of those that predicted a 3-13 season.
Considering they played the Lions, Pack and Vikings in 6 games. From what I've seen, those 6 games were a lock.

I've seen Favre a few times on tv this year...wasn't pretty. Wonder how much the NO hurricane has affected his mental toughness?

I still think that the Bears stink but Grossman is 50 times better than his bud from Purdue.

Denver should win it all.

Been, how can we read your posts and not question your motives, judgement and credibility when you say something so
S&%&*d. "The Bears Stink?"
Your 40 years experience apparently has nothing to do with evaluating football talent. That team has the potential to win the ring: Let's evaluate (1)Ferocious defense, (2)with a bunch of durable athletes, (3) commingled with tenacity, desire & instincts...Kind of reminds me of a bunch of grinders known as the 05' White Sox! Now you throw in a QB who is tough has pinpoint accuracy and leadership skills. "The only thing that stinks is the hands of certain receivers"! Fix that...and you can place your order at Jostens!

TBS...I'm a fan.

I can say and think anything that I want.

Indeed...

Been...Big Fans of your posts that is!

Re; Favre...Sad to see a legend twisting in the wind as the sun sets on a great career...That city owes him a great debt of gratitude!

I do not see the Bears going deep in the playoffsd-- I like the team but they are a QB away from being really a solid contender ---they remind me of the old NY Giants teams --all defense and make the breaks

TRHit...I guess you missed last nights game and the QB's pinpoint accuracy and rocket like arm.
He couldn't have threaded the needle any better...
This kids been injured, what 8 starts in 3 years. Give him a chance...could be a franchise guy!

TBS

Not to doubt your football acumen and risk another email/PM--Grossman is not the guy--and after three years in the NFL he isnt a kid

By the way who did the Bears play and what was their opponents record ?

Like I said --I like the team but they are not there yet

TRHit, keep it within the realm of sports and we will get along just fine! With Grossman now leading the offense and that great defense..I think they have a great chance...I'm no old timer, but he's a kid to me.

TBS

I didnt know I had to get along with you--is that why I get demeaning emails from you and 5 times more from regular posters asking about you and your attitude.

Grossman being a kid has nothing to do with your age or mine--I said he was in the NFL for 3 years now --that means he is no longer a kid in terms of being a pro QB just like Eli Manning is no longer a kid--he is a two year pro that is growing

I am truly beginning to wonder about where you are coming from. Go back and read your post regarding speed rations and radar gun

Could you be good enough to enlighten the posters here as to your baseball background?

Curious minds would like to know--all you list is BIG GAME HUNTING--hey you better get approval from BUllwinkle !!!!

Bullwinkle where are you

Gees...can't we agree on anything? Could it be that I'm on TBS' side this time? TR, why do you think that Grossman is not the guy? I can see not being sold on him, but to say he isn't is a bit quick......

TRHit...I will tell you this..I gave out a little too much personal information. Julie is now dealing with that. When people or (kids) take it upon themselves to contact someone outside the realm of this venue (message board)and in several instances besmirch the professional reputations of individuals well...some serious issues have arisen, Julie is now aware of it and hopefully the problem corrected. If you want to discuss anything personal with me; send me PM and I will decide what if any "personal information" I wish to share with a community populated with people utilizing pseudonym's. In light of what recently happened, I don't feel comfortable discussing my private life in any detail.
If you have any other problems I suggest you contact Julie.

Fastball

All I said he is not the guy to take them all the way

TrHit...now you stay put...your scampering around...jittery today? Approved for release: Travel; Grew up in California..Indian Wells to be exact..played baseball from the youth level through college..DII, some interest but not drafted. Currently live/work in Oak Brook, Illinois but travel extensively.. left the game for a while and have returned with a vengeance! Currently tapping the vast Travel Ball demographic...have successfully launched an Internet based company and have appeared in Baseball America Magazine and various other publications and web entities in line with what we cover. T-Hit Your background please.

TBS

It is on my profile


I am impressed but I still do not have to get along

I look forward to talking with you...We probably have more in common than you think.