Will
Perhaps you would want to think about joining our coaching staff when we play in PA this September
Scranton
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Will
I actually received one of those... literally (and without warning) at a football practice from the head coach. I can still feel it. Lifted me off the ground!! I was never late to practice again because I was talking to my girlfriend! Do that today and get arrested I'm sure.quote:If they needed a boot in the but they got it.
there is a lot you can not do today. I pose the question as to why this is so? Many of us older posters seemed to have survived. Why so different today?
Will, you will like this one. I also coach football. A few years back I was coaching a J.V. team that was not playing to their potential. It was half time and I told the other coaches to go along with me, that I was going to try to wake them up a little. Keep in mind that I am not a yeller. I tossed a water cooler and and got loud. But here's the kicker was only yelling positive things like "You have worked too hard this season not to give your best effort. Hate losing and do your best and you will like to results." You get the idea. We went out and came back to win. The next day our A.D. came to me and told me that the parents were complaining that I was too loud. I asked if they heard any cussing, "no", any negativism, again "no". My response..."Tell the parents not to stand by the fieldhouse at half-time anymore." Some people just need a reason to complain.
hsballcoach
And sometimes they dont even need a reason-- I had one Dad, this is how it came back to me, that every evening after our days action would drop by the bar to talk sports etc with the other dads and somehow he always got to how we weren't doing anything for his kid--- his kid was a regular starter in the lineup every game---so you tell me-- and no --- the Dad was not drunk--just blowing off steam while he chatted-- and he never ever complained to me or my coaches.
Funny world !!!
And sometimes they dont even need a reason-- I had one Dad, this is how it came back to me, that every evening after our days action would drop by the bar to talk sports etc with the other dads and somehow he always got to how we weren't doing anything for his kid--- his kid was a regular starter in the lineup every game---so you tell me-- and no --- the Dad was not drunk--just blowing off steam while he chatted-- and he never ever complained to me or my coaches.
Funny world !!!
hsballcoach
Once after we gave a game away I got the kids on the bus the driver went to get a cup of coffee and it was just me and them. I told them in no uncertain terms that they had no (*&^&*. IMy AD caled me into my office saying that a parent had called complaining of my "tirade". As they say give me a break. Can people get any softer?
Once after we gave a game away I got the kids on the bus the driver went to get a cup of coffee and it was just me and them. I told them in no uncertain terms that they had no (*&^&*. IMy AD caled me into my office saying that a parent had called complaining of my "tirade". As they say give me a break. Can people get any softer?
not according to you...
It sounds like you're really stuck in the past and unwilling to accept that the world has changed. Maybe you don't like it, but it has. And although my kids are only 14, the primary reason they're out there is to have fun and learn the game, not get yelled at every time they slip up. And I would imagine its hard to have fun when you're constantly criticized.
Just my opinion, that's all...
It sounds like you're really stuck in the past and unwilling to accept that the world has changed. Maybe you don't like it, but it has. And although my kids are only 14, the primary reason they're out there is to have fun and learn the game, not get yelled at every time they slip up. And I would imagine its hard to have fun when you're constantly criticized.
Just my opinion, that's all...
Not fun when you f up all the time either.
no, its not. but if you f up all the time, you either don't have the talent or the drive, and no amount of yelling and screaming is going to change that...
I am not stuck in the past. I very rarely yelled or screamed so when I did the players knew i was upset. You are right the times have changed. For the better/ a matter of opinion .Just look around. Everybody has an excuse for everything. It is the blame everybody else generation. So as one stuck in the past I guess it is welcome to the present and good luck in the future.
I do not support publicly chastising a player for the first 10 times they make a mistake but once they hit double figures it might start to be a little more excusable.
Anyone who has ever played competitive sports knows that there are just some things that coaches need to say to players that shouldn’t be heard by their mothers. There are also things said to players that shouldn’t be overheard by fathers who are not familiar with competitive sports.
It used to be players were not worried when a coach “Yelled” at them. They knew that the time to be worried is when the coach stopped “Yelling” at them.
Anyone who has ever played competitive sports knows that there are just some things that coaches need to say to players that shouldn’t be heard by their mothers. There are also things said to players that shouldn’t be overheard by fathers who are not familiar with competitive sports.
It used to be players were not worried when a coach “Yelled” at them. They knew that the time to be worried is when the coach stopped “Yelling” at them.
SBK
Who keeps count up to ten? --Daddy ?
You must be kidding--Daddy ball at it best -- and then you argue with the coach over whether it is the 9th or 10th miscue
Who keeps count up to ten? --Daddy ?
You must be kidding--Daddy ball at it best -- and then you argue with the coach over whether it is the 9th or 10th miscue
Discipline is great as long as it is for the other kid.
There is an atmosphere that the coach controlls. It can be an atmosphere of fear of failure or and atmosphere of free to suceed. Now the coach sets the tone and has to be consistent. There are things that are set in stone like the 10 commandments. You will hustle at all times. You will be respectfull of your teamates at all times. You will be respectfull of your coaches at all times. You will be on time and follow all rules at all times. ETC ETC ETC. Kids dont do these things they get hammered and suffer the consequences. Then there are the things that you teach. Your fundemantals of the game. You drill these things over and over and over they are the cornerstone of your program. Then there is playing the game. I dont want kids on the field or at the plate that are in fear of failure because I might go off on them. I want them to know that they can turn it loose and go play the game with confidence. And I want them to know that if they make an error or pop up its ok just go after it the next time with the same positive attitude. I dont think kids can do that if they are in constant fear of getting their *** chewed out if they mess up. The only time I go off is when there is a lack of effort or focus. Then I let them hear it. This is my opinion on the matter. I had coaches that made me so afraid of messing up that I did not even enjoy the game. I was relieved when the game was over kinda like Whew Im glad I didnt screw up today. I would rather have a kid come off the field and say Man that was fun we got after it today. The game itself offers enough pressure without a coach adding to it. Some of you might disagree thats ok. Everyone is different. We all want to win. We all want the kids to succeed. There are alot of ways to go about it.
TR,
Yes, you are right, I was kidding.
You are finally catching on to humor. Your short vacation must have done you some good.
Coach May, Well thought out!
Yes, you are right, I was kidding.
You are finally catching on to humor. Your short vacation must have done you some good.
Coach May, Well thought out!
I agree very much with coach May. It is important for a kid to want the ball to be hit to them or to want to be up with the game on the line. A player needs to think about what to do right, not what not to do. We tell our kids to play the game aggressively, if you are going to make a mistake...then make it a big one. Don't be afraid to throw the ball hard because of what might happen, do things right set your feet and let it fly. I follow the rule of "never embarrass yourself or me on the field and I will never embarrass you." Case in point, we had a third baseman playing out of position and it caused him to miss a ball. I told him to be ready that the next one would be to him and repositioned him. He waved me off and said he knew what he was doing. Time-out, new third baseman, butt on bench. No need to yell to deliver a message. When a kid messes up a play they know it, they do not want to be yelled at and will not take to heart what you say if you do. When they come in pull them over and coach them.
Didn't this all start with the double cut? Here is a good one! That's Halfmoon Jr. wearing good ole #1.
Halfmoon,
Well done Jr.!
Just curious where the first baseman was when this picture was being snapped?
Well done Jr.!
Just curious where the first baseman was when this picture was being snapped?
Always a critic 
The 2nd team all conference, defensive player of the year 1st baseman is just out of view trailing the runner 
The 2nd team all conference, defensive player of the year 1st baseman is just out of view trailing the runner
Does that SS play basketball? Pretty good vertical.
Will
you have a PM
you have a PM
I heard some parents complain that the coaches needed to be more comforting after players made errors.
sgv
you have to be kidding !!!!
you have to be kidding !!!!
CADad...that is the 2nd baseman in the air and no he doesn't play basketball. He was the backup QB on our state champion football team, baseball team captain this year and West Point hopeful. We call him the Stepford Kid The kind of kid you want dating your daughter.
The kind of kid you want dating your daughter.
Usually the shortstop's job to go out for the relay on a double cut and the second baseman's job to back the play up. Does your son's coach teach it this way, or were they just reacting to the situation, i.e. the second baseman was already out there?
Just reacting to a ball hit to right center, if I remember correctly. Picture was taken last Summer.
Coaches should not embarrass players and coaches should not have to comfort them. Yukkk! Why say anything after an error unless it was a mental error?
Usually I can kill a thread faster than BigWi answers the dinner bell. This one is not dying.
So....let me add this. I always keep a pile of Hersey kisses in my pocket so that in case one of my players makes an error, I can quickly come to their aid with a kiss. I then write a letter to every parent whose son either errs or goes 0 for, each and every game, bolstering their confidence that it was just a fluke and that perfect genetics will ultimately prevail and junior will certainly be successful in the end. I have a participation trophy for every player for every game. This ensures that everyone's self esteem is secure. We have a contract with a local counselling service and they send in counsellors to talk with our players about traumatic events during the game. I think I have everything pretty much covered.
So....let me add this. I always keep a pile of Hersey kisses in my pocket so that in case one of my players makes an error, I can quickly come to their aid with a kiss. I then write a letter to every parent whose son either errs or goes 0 for, each and every game, bolstering their confidence that it was just a fluke and that perfect genetics will ultimately prevail and junior will certainly be successful in the end. I have a participation trophy for every player for every game. This ensures that everyone's self esteem is secure. We have a contract with a local counselling service and they send in counsellors to talk with our players about traumatic events during the game. I think I have everything pretty much covered.
You can read my earlier posts on this subject to see where I stand. But the last few posts about not being so hard on kids got me thinking. There is a difference in yelling and trying to be the show instead of coaching them and coddling players. It has been my experience that the parents that complain about the coaches being too hard on the kids are the parents of the soft kids. I wonder why they are soft? These are the same parents that buy there kids M&M cds but go off when they hear that a coach used an expletive or yelled at someone. These are the same parents that get upset when their kid has to run extra for being late to practice and then write them a note saying that they were at the doctor when they over sleep for school. The same parents that get upset when the coach pulls their son in the sixth with a no no because his pitch count is getting up there but raise hell when he is not pulled when he is getting hit (because his pitch count is getting up there)? The list goes no but you get the point. They have no idea that the only person they are hurting is their child.
Gotta have both the steel and the velvet.
TR,
I am not kidding. I couldn't believe until I heard it myself. They said the coach should let them know it is ok to make an error because if the coach expect the players to make all they plays that is too much pressure.
I have seen coach removed a kid from a game in the 3rd after 3 errors and almost a fourth error. The mom confronted the coach in the parking lot crying how could he do that to him. It will hurt his feelings and that is is too much pressure to expect a kid to catch every ground ball.
I am not kidding. I couldn't believe until I heard it myself. They said the coach should let them know it is ok to make an error because if the coach expect the players to make all they plays that is too much pressure.
I have seen coach removed a kid from a game in the 3rd after 3 errors and almost a fourth error. The mom confronted the coach in the parking lot crying how could he do that to him. It will hurt his feelings and that is is too much pressure to expect a kid to catch every ground ball.
Coach May,
You are right on the money! Of all the countless players I have coached, the best player were of the parents who told thier kids to just be quiet and do what the coach tells you. The same parents who sits quietly at the game and doesn't say a peep when the ump makes a bad call or things go bad. The same parents who realizes the kids must have did something wrong at practice to have to extra running or field duties.
The other parent who complains in the stands why thier kid is not playing and questions everything the coaches do. The parents tells the kid on the way home you are better than the other kids. The same parent who doesnt see thier kid miss the sign, the cut off or covers the wrong base. This parent doesnt see at practice that the kid messes around, goes to wrong base, doesn't perform well at practice and shows up late and when the coaches aren't watching(he thinks they are not watching) slacks off. That is the soft kid.
I was at one early season HS game and the pitcher is throwing an no hitter. The coaches takes him out after the fifth. A parent who was complaining all game( his kid was on the bench) is upset that the pitcher is pulled. He starts with his speech how the coaches could do that to him/.,. He goes to the mom of the kid(a D1 prospect) and starts to complain. She listens for few then tells the dad that it is ok because his pitch total is right where it should be and since they had a big lead it would be good to get another pitcher some work. He had no repsonse.
You are right on the money! Of all the countless players I have coached, the best player were of the parents who told thier kids to just be quiet and do what the coach tells you. The same parents who sits quietly at the game and doesn't say a peep when the ump makes a bad call or things go bad. The same parents who realizes the kids must have did something wrong at practice to have to extra running or field duties.
The other parent who complains in the stands why thier kid is not playing and questions everything the coaches do. The parents tells the kid on the way home you are better than the other kids. The same parent who doesnt see thier kid miss the sign, the cut off or covers the wrong base. This parent doesnt see at practice that the kid messes around, goes to wrong base, doesn't perform well at practice and shows up late and when the coaches aren't watching(he thinks they are not watching) slacks off. That is the soft kid.
I was at one early season HS game and the pitcher is throwing an no hitter. The coaches takes him out after the fifth. A parent who was complaining all game( his kid was on the bench) is upset that the pitcher is pulled. He starts with his speech how the coaches could do that to him/.,. He goes to the mom of the kid(a D1 prospect) and starts to complain. She listens for few then tells the dad that it is ok because his pitch total is right where it should be and since they had a big lead it would be good to get another pitcher some work. He had no repsonse.
Dont yell. When they mess up tell them dont worry about it. Dont embarress them. I hope these same people have understanding bosses in their places of employment. When you cost the company an account or lose money it will be great to have your boss say forget about it dont worry. and then you do it again and he says the same thing.
Kids today are getting softer. I was a coach for a long time. I have been in education for over 30 years. Now if a student is not performing or is failing some times the finger is pointed at you. You cant teach. You are too tough. i have heard you dont like my son or daughter. Then you have all the psychological mumbo jumbo explanations. I have heard them all. School phobia, Low self esteem etc etc. Legitimate or not kids have to deal with whatever. Same on the ball field. You deal with the situation. All coaches are not and never will be the same. some are demanding and overbearing and some are laid back. some holler some dont. that is life.
Kids today are getting softer. I was a coach for a long time. I have been in education for over 30 years. Now if a student is not performing or is failing some times the finger is pointed at you. You cant teach. You are too tough. i have heard you dont like my son or daughter. Then you have all the psychological mumbo jumbo explanations. I have heard them all. School phobia, Low self esteem etc etc. Legitimate or not kids have to deal with whatever. Same on the ball field. You deal with the situation. All coaches are not and never will be the same. some are demanding and overbearing and some are laid back. some holler some dont. that is life.
