You two are awfully spunky today!
I feel like Arthur Mercante breaking up Joe Frazier and Muhammed Ali.
Beenthere is coming out smokin
But TPM aint jokin
She's a pickin and a pokin
Pouring water on Been's smokin.
Hint: As my Dad always reminded me - You cannot talk the ball over the fence - you have to hit it over the fence. LOL
Oh go away, what is your purpose here?
Example is bringing up the CU/MSU game, you live in the past, you have nothing to contribute to this site but negative comments.
iitg,
I always beleive, on this site and in life, you get back what you give out. In BT's case, it's garbage.
Example is bringing up the CU/MSU game, you live in the past, you have nothing to contribute to this site but negative comments.
iitg,
I always beleive, on this site and in life, you get back what you give out. In BT's case, it's garbage.
Tiger...
You still haven't gotten over your BLABBERING (sp) about how Clemson was going to beat Mississippi State and it shows. Smoked in two by MSU!!!!!!
Sounds like I've ruffled your petticoat. Does anyone wear petticoats any more?
Kid asked about Penn State and I told him what I knew, not about Penn State specifically, but how the conference is regarded and about the best teams in the conference. Nothing wrong with that. Too, I suggested that if you can "play" better to go South and play. Then, everyone went nutso on me.
Go SEC and Ron Polk and MSU.
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Tiger....believe not beleive. Learned that in 4th grade..."i before e except...."
You still haven't gotten over your BLABBERING (sp) about how Clemson was going to beat Mississippi State and it shows. Smoked in two by MSU!!!!!!
Sounds like I've ruffled your petticoat. Does anyone wear petticoats any more?
Kid asked about Penn State and I told him what I knew, not about Penn State specifically, but how the conference is regarded and about the best teams in the conference. Nothing wrong with that. Too, I suggested that if you can "play" better to go South and play. Then, everyone went nutso on me.
Go SEC and Ron Polk and MSU.
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Tiger....believe not beleive. Learned that in 4th grade..."i before e except...."
So I guess all the players on the Back to Back College World Series Champion Oregon State Beavers would have been better off had they all gone to play in the South? Or was it they werent good enough to play in the South? Im confused.
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Sounds like I've ruffled your petticoat. Does anyone wear petticoats any more?
Yes - I do.
But that is a whole different topic. LOL
Don't be confused, Walala.
They won. Good for them.
How many "Northern" teams have won in the past 40 years?
2 out of 40 years is an aberration.
They won. Good for them.
How many "Northern" teams have won in the past 40 years?
2 out of 40 years is an aberration.
Aberration - babberation.
Oregon State has 2 rings - and Polk has a cinnamon donut,
a cup of mojo and a few dreams of what might have been.
Tradition doesnt win games - runs scored do.
LOL
Oregon State has 2 rings - and Polk has a cinnamon donut,
a cup of mojo and a few dreams of what might have been.
Tradition doesnt win games - runs scored do.
LOL
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
All of you are right. I am wrong.
The schools down South don't have better players or programs.
All of the better programs are up North....in your own little minds.
MOM...Happy to talk to you and compare knowledge about pro players any time. Watched high school and college games for 40 years. Apparently you haven't recovered from Clemson getting SMOKED by Mississippi State last spring. Ask South Carolina fans what they think of Clemson.
You see, little minds are the ones not capable of thoughts other than broad generalizations like...
Nice one pea brain.quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
If you can play, you go down South.
You can't even stick with your original statement, now you have to backpeddal and twist it into something it wasn't to make you sound more reasonable...which you most obviously are not.
That's all BT can do..... bring up the past, be nasty, trash people, teams and players.
BEEN listening to it for years.... all garbage.
BEEN listening to it for years.... all garbage.
pardon me, I got a PM re info about Northwestern U baseball, from someone too shy to start a new topic
so I thought I'd throw it out here as this seems to be winding down
so I thought I'd throw it out here as this seems to be winding down
quote:Originally posted by Bee>:
pardon me, I got a PM re info about Northwestern U baseball, from someone too shy to start a new topic
so I thought I'd throw it out here as this seems to be winding down
Good point Bee>, I guess that is what got me going, BT's original post which got some others going as well.
Done.
Not to throw fuel on the fire, but…
The top ranked players in the 2008 class from PA, have signed early with the following colleges.
North Carolina State
Stanford
North Carolina State
Florida
Old Dominion
Florida Southern
I think Big 10 baseball is very good. IMO Penn State is very good, but lots of kids want to go south.
I think there are some power programs that are not in the south. Nebraska, Oregon State, Wichita State, Notre Dame, come to mind. Nearly all the schools among the top 40 or so in baseball are in the south or the west. It’s that way every year and is hard to argue against. (Of course, we could argue about what is defined as north and west and south)
There are also power conferences… SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 12 and then some others. A large number of the top 40 programs are from those conferences every year, including a couple northern teams mentioned earlier. There is no denying that these programs have more depth in talent. It does not mean that the northern schools don’t have talent. Every year there are draft picks, including high draft picks, from northern states.
The Big 10 is a great place to play baseball and get an education, as are many other northern schools. If a player is being recruited by Penn State or any other Big 10 school, he should be very proud. It means you are a very good player!
BTW, perhaps the following will provide some information as to the evolution of DI baseball. It’s the final 4 from all the DI college World Series through 2006.
YEAR CHAMPION SCORE RUNNER-UP THIRD PLACE FOURTH PLACE
1947 +California 8-7 Yale Two-team championship
1948 Southern California 9-2 Yale Two-team championship
1949 +Texas 10-3 Wake Forest Southern California St. John’s (N.Y.)
1950 #Texas 3-0 Washington St. Rutgers Wisconsin
1951 +Oklahoma 3-2 Tennessee *Southern California *Utah
1952 Holy Cross 8-4 Missouri *Western Mich. *Penn St.
1953 Michigan 7-5 Texas Lafayette Boston College
1954 Missouri 4-1 Rollins Michigan St. Oklahoma St.
1955 Wake Forest 7-6 Western Mich. Oklahoma St. Arizona
1956 Minnesota 12-1 Arizona *Bradley *Mississippi
1957 +California 1-0 Penn St. *Iowa State *Notre Dame
1958 #Southern California 8-7++ Missouri *Holy Cross *Western Mich.
1959 Oklahoma St. 5-3 Arizona Fresno St. Penn St.
1960 Minnesota 2-1** Southern California *Oklahoma St. *Arizona
1961 +Southern California 1-0 Oklahoma St. *Boston College *Syracuse
1962 Michigan 5-4** Santa Clara Texas Florida St.
1963 #Southern California 5-2 Arizona *Missouri *Texas
1964 Minnesota 5-1 Missouri Maine Southern California
1965 Arizona St. 2-1 Ohio St. *St. Louis *Washington St.
1966 Ohio St. 8-2 Oklahoma St. Southern California St. John’s (N.Y.)
1967 Arizona St. 11-2 Houston Stanford Auburn
1968 +Southern California 4-3 Southern Ill. *North Carolina St. *St. John’s (N.Y.)
1969 #Arizona St. 10-1 Tulsa New York U. Texas
1970 #Southern California 2-1*** Florida St. Texas Ohio
1971 Southern California 7-2 Southern Ill. Tulsa Tex.-Pan American
1972 Southern California 1-0 Arizona St. *Texas *Temple
1973 +Southern California 4-3 Arizona St. *Minnesota *Texas
1974 Southern California 7-3 Miami (Fla.) Southern Ill. Texas
1975 Texas 5-1 South Carolina Arizona St. Oklahoma
1976 #Arizona 7-1 Eastern Mich. Arizona St. Maine
1977 Arizona St. 2-1 South Carolina Southern Ill. Cal St. L.A.
1978 +Southern California 10-3 Arizona St. *North Carolina *Miami (Fla.)
1979 #Cal St. Fullerton 2-1 Arkansas Pepperdine Texas
1980 #Arizona 5-3 Hawaii California Miami (Fla.)
1981 Arizona St. 7-4 Oklahoma St. Texas South Carolina
1982 +Miami (Fla.) 9-3 Wichita St. *Maine *Texas
1983 +Texas 4-3 Alabama *Arizona St. *Michigan
1984 Cal St. Fullerton 3-1 Texas Oklahoma St. Arizona St.
1985 Miami (Fla.) 10-6 Texas *Arkansas *Mississippi St.
1986 Arizona 10-2 Florida St. Miami (Fla.) Oklahoma St.
1987 Stanford 9-5 Oklahoma St. Texas LSU
1988 Stanford 9-4 Arizona St. *Cal St. Fullerton *Wichita St.
1989 Wichita St. 5-3 Texas *Florida St. *LSU
1990 Georgia 2-1 Oklahoma St. *Stanford *LSU
1991 +LSU 6-3 Wichita St. *Creighton *Florida
1992 +Pepperdine 3-2 Cal St. Fullerton *Miami (Fla.) *Oklahoma St.
1993 LSU 8-0 Wichita St. *Long Beach St. *Oklahoma St.
1994 +Oklahoma 13-5 Georgia Tech *Arizona St. *Cal St. Fullerton
1995 +Cal St. Fullerton 11-5 Southern California *Miami (Fla.) *Tennessee
1996 +LSU 9-8 Miami (Fla.) *Clemson *Florida
1997 +LSU 13-6 Alabama *Miami (Fla.) *Stanford
1998 #Southern California 21-14 Arizona St. Long Beach St. *LSU
1999 +Miami (Fla.) 6-5 Florida St. *Alabama *Stanford
2000 +LSU 6-5 Stanford *Florida St. *La.-Lafayette
2001 +Miami (Fla.) 12-1 Stanford *Cal St. Fullerton *Tennessee
2002 +Texas 12-6 South Carolina *Clemson *Stanford
2003 Rice 14-2 Stanford *Texas *Cal St. Fullerton
2004 Cal St. Fullerton 3-2 Texas *South Carolina *Georgia
2005 +Texas 6-2 Florida *Arizona St. *Baylor
2006 #Oregon St. 3-2 North Carolina *Cal St. Fullerton *Rice
The top ranked players in the 2008 class from PA, have signed early with the following colleges.
North Carolina State
Stanford
North Carolina State
Florida
Old Dominion
Florida Southern
I think Big 10 baseball is very good. IMO Penn State is very good, but lots of kids want to go south.
I think there are some power programs that are not in the south. Nebraska, Oregon State, Wichita State, Notre Dame, come to mind. Nearly all the schools among the top 40 or so in baseball are in the south or the west. It’s that way every year and is hard to argue against. (Of course, we could argue about what is defined as north and west and south)
There are also power conferences… SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 12 and then some others. A large number of the top 40 programs are from those conferences every year, including a couple northern teams mentioned earlier. There is no denying that these programs have more depth in talent. It does not mean that the northern schools don’t have talent. Every year there are draft picks, including high draft picks, from northern states.
The Big 10 is a great place to play baseball and get an education, as are many other northern schools. If a player is being recruited by Penn State or any other Big 10 school, he should be very proud. It means you are a very good player!
BTW, perhaps the following will provide some information as to the evolution of DI baseball. It’s the final 4 from all the DI college World Series through 2006.
YEAR CHAMPION SCORE RUNNER-UP THIRD PLACE FOURTH PLACE
1947 +California 8-7 Yale Two-team championship
1948 Southern California 9-2 Yale Two-team championship
1949 +Texas 10-3 Wake Forest Southern California St. John’s (N.Y.)
1950 #Texas 3-0 Washington St. Rutgers Wisconsin
1951 +Oklahoma 3-2 Tennessee *Southern California *Utah
1952 Holy Cross 8-4 Missouri *Western Mich. *Penn St.
1953 Michigan 7-5 Texas Lafayette Boston College
1954 Missouri 4-1 Rollins Michigan St. Oklahoma St.
1955 Wake Forest 7-6 Western Mich. Oklahoma St. Arizona
1956 Minnesota 12-1 Arizona *Bradley *Mississippi
1957 +California 1-0 Penn St. *Iowa State *Notre Dame
1958 #Southern California 8-7++ Missouri *Holy Cross *Western Mich.
1959 Oklahoma St. 5-3 Arizona Fresno St. Penn St.
1960 Minnesota 2-1** Southern California *Oklahoma St. *Arizona
1961 +Southern California 1-0 Oklahoma St. *Boston College *Syracuse
1962 Michigan 5-4** Santa Clara Texas Florida St.
1963 #Southern California 5-2 Arizona *Missouri *Texas
1964 Minnesota 5-1 Missouri Maine Southern California
1965 Arizona St. 2-1 Ohio St. *St. Louis *Washington St.
1966 Ohio St. 8-2 Oklahoma St. Southern California St. John’s (N.Y.)
1967 Arizona St. 11-2 Houston Stanford Auburn
1968 +Southern California 4-3 Southern Ill. *North Carolina St. *St. John’s (N.Y.)
1969 #Arizona St. 10-1 Tulsa New York U. Texas
1970 #Southern California 2-1*** Florida St. Texas Ohio
1971 Southern California 7-2 Southern Ill. Tulsa Tex.-Pan American
1972 Southern California 1-0 Arizona St. *Texas *Temple
1973 +Southern California 4-3 Arizona St. *Minnesota *Texas
1974 Southern California 7-3 Miami (Fla.) Southern Ill. Texas
1975 Texas 5-1 South Carolina Arizona St. Oklahoma
1976 #Arizona 7-1 Eastern Mich. Arizona St. Maine
1977 Arizona St. 2-1 South Carolina Southern Ill. Cal St. L.A.
1978 +Southern California 10-3 Arizona St. *North Carolina *Miami (Fla.)
1979 #Cal St. Fullerton 2-1 Arkansas Pepperdine Texas
1980 #Arizona 5-3 Hawaii California Miami (Fla.)
1981 Arizona St. 7-4 Oklahoma St. Texas South Carolina
1982 +Miami (Fla.) 9-3 Wichita St. *Maine *Texas
1983 +Texas 4-3 Alabama *Arizona St. *Michigan
1984 Cal St. Fullerton 3-1 Texas Oklahoma St. Arizona St.
1985 Miami (Fla.) 10-6 Texas *Arkansas *Mississippi St.
1986 Arizona 10-2 Florida St. Miami (Fla.) Oklahoma St.
1987 Stanford 9-5 Oklahoma St. Texas LSU
1988 Stanford 9-4 Arizona St. *Cal St. Fullerton *Wichita St.
1989 Wichita St. 5-3 Texas *Florida St. *LSU
1990 Georgia 2-1 Oklahoma St. *Stanford *LSU
1991 +LSU 6-3 Wichita St. *Creighton *Florida
1992 +Pepperdine 3-2 Cal St. Fullerton *Miami (Fla.) *Oklahoma St.
1993 LSU 8-0 Wichita St. *Long Beach St. *Oklahoma St.
1994 +Oklahoma 13-5 Georgia Tech *Arizona St. *Cal St. Fullerton
1995 +Cal St. Fullerton 11-5 Southern California *Miami (Fla.) *Tennessee
1996 +LSU 9-8 Miami (Fla.) *Clemson *Florida
1997 +LSU 13-6 Alabama *Miami (Fla.) *Stanford
1998 #Southern California 21-14 Arizona St. Long Beach St. *LSU
1999 +Miami (Fla.) 6-5 Florida St. *Alabama *Stanford
2000 +LSU 6-5 Stanford *Florida St. *La.-Lafayette
2001 +Miami (Fla.) 12-1 Stanford *Cal St. Fullerton *Tennessee
2002 +Texas 12-6 South Carolina *Clemson *Stanford
2003 Rice 14-2 Stanford *Texas *Cal St. Fullerton
2004 Cal St. Fullerton 3-2 Texas *South Carolina *Georgia
2005 +Texas 6-2 Florida *Arizona St. *Baylor
2006 #Oregon St. 3-2 North Carolina *Cal St. Fullerton *Rice
Thanks PG, cool post. My great uncle was on that Cal team that won in 1957...
now for this whole argument, I'm going to try to snub it.
BeenthereIL- I completely get what your saying, the South is very deep and I will not argue that. That doesn't mean there aren't good teams other places.
I am also trying to be realistic BeenthereIL, I think if I can play for a nationally ranked high school team I can play D1 ball....but not at a top 25 program, I know I am not good enough to play or even make the team. If I did make the team I would not want to sit for 2 or 3 years...I did that for one year and it was not FUN.
For everyone opposing him- can we get past what he's saying? I know you may have sons playing ball and are insulted by this.....but if your sons are playing college ball they are definitely good, maybe even great, players.
Now can we move ahead...this arguement makes me remember TPG, and we dont want more forums and time wasted
now for this whole argument, I'm going to try to snub it.
BeenthereIL- I completely get what your saying, the South is very deep and I will not argue that. That doesn't mean there aren't good teams other places.
I am also trying to be realistic BeenthereIL, I think if I can play for a nationally ranked high school team I can play D1 ball....but not at a top 25 program, I know I am not good enough to play or even make the team. If I did make the team I would not want to sit for 2 or 3 years...I did that for one year and it was not FUN.
For everyone opposing him- can we get past what he's saying? I know you may have sons playing ball and are insulted by this.....but if your sons are playing college ball they are definitely good, maybe even great, players.
Now can we move ahead...this arguement makes me remember TPG, and we dont want more forums and time wasted
shp,
Like I said before - go where you will enjoy yourself and get a good education. You only get one clean shot at your undergraduate years.
If that includes baseball at a school YOU will be comfortable at - go for it. Play every game like a wild dog - and be proud of the fact that you were able to play at the next level.
The rest is BS rah rah nonsense. IMO.
Like I said before - go where you will enjoy yourself and get a good education. You only get one clean shot at your undergraduate years.
If that includes baseball at a school YOU will be comfortable at - go for it. Play every game like a wild dog - and be proud of the fact that you were able to play at the next level.
The rest is BS rah rah nonsense. IMO.
I'm kind of wondering if all this hoopla has scared off anyone from answering another Big10 school query in this forum...Purdue??? 
I hope not! 
I see it has remained unanswered for a few days.
I see it has remained unanswered for a few days.
Since academics become a big part of the picture long term, a player can't go wrong attending a Big Ten. The facilities are incredible. It's a new park in co-op with a minor league franchise. The program seems to be headed upwards.
My only concern as a freshman prospect would be the coach seems (from looking at the roster) to have utilized several JuCo players to build the program. My last sentence may be a good place for our Penn State mom to make a valuable comment for a potential incoming freshman.
My only concern as a freshman prospect would be the coach seems (from looking at the roster) to have utilized several JuCo players to build the program. My last sentence may be a good place for our Penn State mom to make a valuable comment for a potential incoming freshman.
quote:Originally posted by luvbb:
I'm kind of wondering if all this hoopla has scared off anyone from answering another Big10 school query in this forum...Purdue???
Luvbb,
If you read the original question - and then take a peek at the answer - why in God's name would anybody ask anything about a school that wasnt in the "South".
What a moronic mess.
IMO - I think the whole thing should be deleted.
quote:My only concern as a freshman prospect would be the coach seems (from looking at the roster) to have utilized several JuCo players to build the program. My last sentence may be a good place for our Penn State mom to make a valuable comment for a potential incoming freshman.
Very good observation...and an accurate one. Considering all the hoopla re: southern vs. northern schools in this thread...I think that PSU is "catching up" with the southern/western mentality when it comes to JUCO players being utilized. Historically, JUCO players at PSU were very rare...actually, one of the reasons it appealed to my son and his desire to play north. However, a new coaching regime came in after my son's freshman year, along with a new mentality and approach. The coaches came from Oklahoma State and brought with them some new ideas....including the use of JUCO players.
Keep in mind, the new coaching staff inherited a roster with holes that needed to be filled sooner..rather than later. They didn't have the luxury of developing...or even SELECTING, the players on their roster. The coaches have only been at Penn State three years now...and the JUCO's they have brought in are in areas that they feel needed immediate "fixes". I can also tell you that my son was one of those players who fell into the "immediate fix" category because he didn't come back from Tommy John as quickly as anticipated, and didn't perform well the previous season. The coaches brought in a JUCO catcher last fall to take over the catching duties. BUT...I can also tell you that by time conference play began, my son was behind the dish everyday.
What would be my advice to an incoming freshman, or ANY player, facing the possibility of JUCO competition? If you want to be on the field...you find a way to make it happen. I sometimes feel that having that JUCO there was the extra incentive that my son needed to push himself to perform the way he knew how to. Competition is a good motivator!
Altho a new phenomenon at PSU...I am sure if you look at the rosters of many southern/western schools and compare...PSU probably has fewer JUCO's on the roster than most. However, it definetly is a change at Penn State.
What I CAN tell you is this...the coach may bring in JUCOS...but they have to perform. They aren't an "automatic" in the starting line up. Actually, my son is proof positive of that statement. Bottom line...whether there are JUCO's or not being recruited...every player needs to prepare to win his position each season. More coming to you in a PM.
Does anyone know of any programs that have a reputation for developing pitching?
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
I suggested that if you can "play" better to go South and play. Then, everyone went nutso on me.
Maybe because your own son, the one you said is better than the MSU player, went to a school in the north? I simply didn't see any point in saying the good players head south. And no, my feathers aren't ruffled and I don't have a dog in the fight since my son is only 15...and would love to play in the south himself some day.
I look at it this way with regard to PSU
01-- great academic and student environment
02-- they play in the Big Tem which is slowly but surely becoming a strong baseball concerence
03-- relatively new coaching staff which is looking to turn the program around
If you can go to PSU and play ball I ask you this--_WHY NOT???? It is a no lose situation
01-- great academic and student environment
02-- they play in the Big Tem which is slowly but surely becoming a strong baseball concerence
03-- relatively new coaching staff which is looking to turn the program around
If you can go to PSU and play ball I ask you this--_WHY NOT???? It is a no lose situation
