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All a matter of opinion, but in my experience if we do 2 things consistently (head still & hands inside the ball) we can do a lot of things wrong and still be a pretty good hitter. Listed below is an article. Thanks for your reply.

The golden rule in the batting stance
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.The most important tip that anyone can give to a hitter is "Keep your head down and still in your stance and swing."

Every hitter has been given this cue, but only the consistent hitters actually put it to use.

The still head helps create consistency, and consistency is what separates the good hitter from the journeyman hitter - enabling him to hit the ball hard again and again.

A hitter has very little time to judge the location, speed, and category of the pitch, and then command the muscles to swing the bat aggressively at the pitch. That is why hitting remains "the most difficult thing to do in sports."

Obviously, when fractions of a second mean so much, the act of keeping the head down and still so that you can see the ball longer, can mean everything in the hitting process.

What causes head movement during a swing?

The most common cause is "pulling the head out." It is a bad habit that not only keeps the hitter from seeing the baseball in the contact zone, but helps pull the front shoulder and hips out of the power zone. In fact, it constricts the hit selection to just the inside pitch.

All hitters face this problem at one time or another. The good hitters never stop working at it - to keep it from happening. Fortunately, it remains a relatively easy part of the hitting process to focus on in practice: Keep the head down and still with your eye on the ball, on every swing.

Another common cause of head movement is overstriding or lunging. Whenever a hitter overstrides or lunges, he will move his head downward - changing the level of his eyes and making it harder to judge the pitch. Hitting is hard enough as it is without having the eyes bouncing around while the pitch in on its way.

The hitter, depending on his body size, will generally take a six to eight-inch stride. Anything over eight will usually lead to excessive head movement that will prevent the hitter from meeting the ball consistently.

Overstriding can be averted by having the hitter spread out more and take a smaller stride. The wide stance-short stride will help promote balance and allow the hitter to use his body more efficiently.

The archetype hitter in this respect was, of course, Joe DiMaggio, who set up with his feet well apart and barely moved his front foot on his step-to-hit.

DiMaggio's seamless, perfectly balanced stroke provided great consistency and power. What's more, unlike most great power hitters, he rarely struck out.

Coaching point: Besides spreading out and reducing the stride, the hitter should be taught to keep his stride soft - move his foot forward as if testing an icy surface to determine whether it will support the body weight. The "soft" step will help keep the body balanced at its strongest hitting position.

The hitter's head will dictate what kind of hitter he is. The key thing in coaching is to get the hitter to focus on keeping the head down and still on every swing.

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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
I thought the golden rule was,,get a good pitch to hit?


Not to discount getting a good pitch either. We can be mechanically sound and if we do not get a good pitch to hit either than it does not do much good either. Hitting is all about doing things consistently. If i do the wrong things consistently then i will get the same results consistently. Same holds true for doing the right things consistently. To me, it all really starts with keeping the head still. So often in coaching high school hitters we get the head coming up early wanting to follow the ball after contact. This is all fine and well after contact, but would much, much rather hitter be in habit of keeping head down throughout swing and finish. Once contact has been made "what is done, is done." Lifting head slightly to follow contact path so often resulsts in head coming up just slightly or early and pretty soon, we have a problem and have made hitting round ball with round bat lot more difficult.
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Originally posted by ironhorse:
Um, I could make that for pretty much free. It's a mouthpiece with a clip on the end. No offense. Just sayin.....


None taken. You are correct that the design is very simple yet effective. Within the last 2 weeks put in use with 4 high school programs and all reviews have been very positive. In terms of cost being free, nothing is free. You have cost, overhead, case as well as we offer free shipping. Like stated earlier, we are promoting improving hitting and this has been a very effective tool that i have personally used with high school hitters, students i give lessons to etc. Thanks for your response
Wow... a somewhat misinformed idea combined with things that don't match up to video.

Good hitters do not keep their "eyes on the ball" and their heads down throughout the swing. It simply doesn't happen. You can't see the ball for the last 12 or so feet, which is why late breaking pitches are so effective. Keeping the head down inhibits lower body action.

Ted Williams hated it. Ted Williams is also on the record as saying that he never saw the ball hit the bat. Nor did Mike Epstein. I haven't seen the ball hit the bat. No MLB hitter now or ever has seen it.

Go look at some pictures at contact. MLB hitters aren't looking down at the ball. They're looking out at the field.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Wow... a somewhat misinformed idea combined with things that don't match up to video.

Good hitters do not keep their "eyes on the ball" and their heads down throughout the swing. It simply doesn't happen. You can't see the ball for the last 12 or so feet, which is why late breaking pitches are so effective. Keeping the head down inhibits lower body action.

Ted Williams hated it. Ted Williams is also on the record as saying that he never saw the ball hit the bat. Nor did Mike Epstein. I haven't seen the ball hit the bat. No MLB hitter now or ever has seen it.

Go look at some pictures at contact. MLB hitters aren't looking down at the ball. They're looking out at the field.


Check out pics on website under examples: Joe Mauer, Derek Jeter & Albert Pujols. All speak for themselves with hitting accolades & pics speak for themselves with head positioning and lower body rotation.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Wow... a somewhat misinformed idea combined with things that don't match up to video.

Good hitters do not keep their "eyes on the ball" and their heads down throughout the swing. It simply doesn't happen. You can't see the ball for the last 12 or so feet, which is why late breaking pitches are so effective. Keeping the head down inhibits lower body action.

Ted Williams hated it. Ted Williams is also on the record as saying that he never saw the ball hit the bat. Nor did Mike Epstein. I haven't seen the ball hit the bat. No MLB hitter now or ever has seen it.

Go look at some pictures at contact. MLB hitters aren't looking down at the ball. They're looking out at the field.


Not arguing that any major league hitter has "seen the ball hit the bat," however for 20 years we have taught head starts on front shoulder, finishes on back shoulder, head actually stays still (hence the name) and head stays down through contact. I know from 20 yrs. experience that the players who have the least head movement are the most consistent. keeping the head down through contact has no effect on lower half rotation. Does not matter if you are teaching rotational hitting or linear hitting or a mixture the head must stay still. Check out mlb pics on site of the 3 hitters. I see head down, lower half working through ball etc. Anyway, thanks for the post, I enjoy talking hitting. Thanks again
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
Wow... a somewhat misinformed idea combined with things that don't match up to video.

Good hitters do not keep their "eyes on the ball" and their heads down throughout the swing. It simply doesn't happen. You can't see the ball for the last 12 or so feet, which is why late breaking pitches are so effective. Keeping the head down inhibits lower body action.

Ted Williams hated it. Ted Williams is also on the record as saying that he never saw the ball hit the bat. Nor did Mike Epstein. I haven't seen the ball hit the bat. No MLB hitter now or ever has seen it.

Go look at some pictures at contact. MLB hitters aren't looking down at the ball. They're looking out at the field.


Not arguing that any major league hitter has "seen the ball hit the bat," however for 20 years we have taught head starts on front shoulder, finishes on back shoulder, head actually stays still (hence the name) and head stays down through contact. I know from 20 yrs. experience that the players who have the least head movement are the most consistent. keeping the head down through contact has no effect on lower half rotation. Does not matter if you are teaching rotational hitting or linear hitting or a mixture the head must stay still. Check out mlb pics on site of the 3 hitters. I see head down, lower half working through ball etc. Anyway, thanks for the post, I enjoy talking hitting. Thanks again


Yes, it does. Without a doubt.

Ted Williams said something about how George Brett screws himself up when he tries to keep his head down. And so did Dwight Evans.



Varitek's head is not down.



Nor is Vlad's.



Tony Clark?
Like I stated earlier. Look at examples of mlb guys on website and tell me there head is not down. Tool is for youth league to high school hitters whom I have worked with for 20 years. Everyday, with kids it is the same thing, keep the head down. Looking at pic. of Jeter and others on website their head is down. Do you not think mlb hitters get head up occasionally? Matt Williams was notorious for it. Thanks again and i invite you to look at pictures on website under "examples" tag.
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Like I stated earlier. Look at examples of mlb guys on website and tell me there head is not down. Tool is for youth league to high school hitters whom I have worked with for 20 years. Everyday, with kids it is the same thing, keep the head down. Looking at pic. of Jeter and others on website their head is down. Do you not think mlb hitters get head up occasionally? Matt Williams was notorious for it. Thanks again and i invite you to look at pictures on website under "examples" tag.


the head moves forward slightly with the "stride" teaching a kid not to move his head could be counterproductive unless its excessive.the head does move THEN it becomes stable.
We actually teach head starts front shoulder and actually stays "still" throughout the swing finishing on the back shoulder. Head is going to move slightly due to shift in weight transfer, but needs to remain as "still" as possible. If i could have all our hitters do 2 things consistently it would be: head still/hands inside ball. Obviously lot else comes into play, but if we do these 2 things consistently we can do some things wrong and still be a pretty good high school hitter.
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
We actually teach head starts front shoulder and actually stays "still" throughout the swing finishing on the back shoulder. Head is going to move slightly due to shift in weight transfer, but needs to remain as "still" as possible. If i could have all our hitters do 2 things consistently it would be: head still/hands inside ball. Obviously lot else comes into play, but if we do these 2 things consistently we can do some things wrong and still be a pretty good high school hitter.


how do you hit a baseball if your hands are outside the ball..with the knob? I hate these stupid catch phrases that do more damage than good.like knob to the ball and squish the bug.
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
We actually teach head starts front shoulder and actually stays "still" throughout the swing finishing on the back shoulder. Head is going to move slightly due to shift in weight transfer, but needs to remain as "still" as possible. If i could have all our hitters do 2 things consistently it would be: head still/hands inside ball. Obviously lot else comes into play, but if we do these 2 things consistently we can do some things wrong and still be a pretty good high school hitter.


how do you hit a baseball if your hands are outside the ball..with the knob? I hate these stupid catch phrases that do more damage than good.like knob to the ball and squish the bug.


What is purpose of hands inside the ball? Swing path is the shortest. All a matter of physics. Shortest path from A to B. When i get hands away from body i gain length deep in hitting zone, hence hands staying inside the ball. Regardless of pitch location our path to the ball is always hands leading the swing gaining length out front at contact
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
We actually teach head starts front shoulder and actually stays "still" throughout the swing finishing on the back shoulder. Head is going to move slightly due to shift in weight transfer, but needs to remain as "still" as possible. If i could have all our hitters do 2 things consistently it would be: head still/hands inside ball. Obviously lot else comes into play, but if we do these 2 things consistently we can do some things wrong and still be a pretty good high school hitter.


how do you hit a baseball if your hands are outside the ball..with the knob? I hate these stupid catch phrases that do more damage than good.like knob to the ball and squish the bug.


What is purpose of hands inside the ball? Swing path is the shortest. All a matter of physics. Shortest path from A to B. When i get hands away from body i gain length deep in hitting zone, hence hands staying inside the ball. Regardless of pitch location our path to the ball is always hands leading the swing gaining length out front at contact


just tell me how anyone can hit a ball with their hands outside the ball the cue is worthless and means NOTHING.show mean one clip where somebody can hit a ball inside their hands..

please show me a clip with hands OUTSIDE the ball..
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Originally posted by ironhorse:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
please show me a clip with hands OUTSIDE the ball..

So how do you describe it?


well if you hands inside the ball,,which happens on EVERY swing..just wondered what hands outside the ball looks like..you see parents and kids are bombarded with bull slogans like hands inside the ball..what does hands outside the ball look like just curious?
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Like I stated earlier. Look at examples of mlb guys on website and tell me there head is not down. Tool is for youth league to high school hitters whom I have worked with for 20 years. Everyday, with kids it is the same thing, keep the head down. Looking at pic. of Jeter and others on website their head is down. Do you not think mlb hitters get head up occasionally? Matt Williams was notorious for it. Thanks again and i invite you to look at pictures on website under "examples" tag.


No. They do not keep their heads down. Jeter is an aberration.

Ted Williams says this:
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All I've heard around the Red Sox for the last five years is to keep your head straight down all the time, and it's a terrible thing. Mr. Brett does it sometimes and gets himself all screwed up. You know why? There's no way you can complete your swing.
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
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Originally posted by ironhorse:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
please show me a clip with hands OUTSIDE the ball..

So how do you describe it?


well if you hands inside the ball,,which happens on EVERY swing..just wondered what hands outside the ball looks like..you see parents and kids are bombarded with bull slogans like hands inside the ball..what does hands outside the ball look like just curious?

I understand you're point. But I don't put it in the BS slogan category. Taken literally it is poorly worded (in my opinion) as simply a verbal cue. But my kids understand what I mean when I say it because it's been demonstrated to them multiple times. To me it means to hit the "inside" of the ball, which makes complete sense to me as a concept.

So I'm not asking why you don't like it, I'm wondering what phrases you use with kids you coach to instruct them on swing path and such.
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
We actually teach head starts front shoulder and actually stays "still" throughout the swing finishing on the back shoulder. Head is going to move slightly due to shift in weight transfer, but needs to remain as "still" as possible. If i could have all our hitters do 2 things consistently it would be: head still/hands inside ball. Obviously lot else comes into play, but if we do these 2 things consistently we can do some things wrong and still be a pretty good high school hitter.


how do you hit a baseball if your hands are outside the ball..with the knob? I hate these stupid catch phrases that do more damage than good.like knob to the ball and squish the bug.


What is purpose of hands inside the ball? Swing path is the shortest. All a matter of physics. Shortest path from A to B. When i get hands away from body i gain length deep in hitting zone, hence hands staying inside the ball. Regardless of pitch location our path to the ball is always hands leading the swing gaining length out front at contact


The shortest path is a straight line, yes. But the quickest path is an elliptical arc; following the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. You don't need to teach it. In fact, as long as you don't teach stupid things that prevent it from occurring naturally (i.e. with rotation) it's a no-teach.
Problem i have always ran into with hitters from youth to high school is the long swing. To be more specific the swing in which you gain length deep in the zone. Some call it casting, some call it getting around the ball. Still have to be short to the ball. And I agree that kids respond to that (hands inside the ball). We also talk about letting hands lead.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Like I stated earlier. Look at examples of mlb guys on website and tell me there head is not down. Tool is for youth league to high school hitters whom I have worked with for 20 years. Everyday, with kids it is the same thing, keep the head down. Looking at pic. of Jeter and others on website their head is down. Do you not think mlb hitters get head up occasionally? Matt Williams was notorious for it. Thanks again and i invite you to look at pictures on website under "examples" tag.


No. They do not keep their heads down. Jeter is an aberration.

Ted Williams says this:
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All I've heard around the Red Sox for the last five years is to keep your head straight down all the time, and it's a terrible thing. Mr. Brett does it sometimes and gets himself all screwed up. You know why? There's no way you can complete your swing.
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To say Jeter is an abberation is fine. But look at Mauer, Pujols. Got great pics of them with head down. Maybe somewhat misleading in saying "down." Like said before, head starts front shoulder, finishes back shoulder and actually stays still throughout swing. Matt Williams was a great of example of guy who pulled head a lot. All I am saying is head has to stay still. If we get head movement pretty hard to time and square up a pitch.
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Problem i have always ran into with hitters from youth to high school is the long swing. To be more specific the swing in which you gain length deep in the zone. Some call it casting, some call it getting around the ball. Still have to be short to the ball. And I agree that kids respond to that (hands inside the ball). We also talk about letting hands lead.


Please tell me your hitters aren't literally leading with the hands.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Like I stated earlier. Look at examples of mlb guys on website and tell me there head is not down. Tool is for youth league to high school hitters whom I have worked with for 20 years. Everyday, with kids it is the same thing, keep the head down. Looking at pic. of Jeter and others on website their head is down. Do you not think mlb hitters get head up occasionally? Matt Williams was notorious for it. Thanks again and i invite you to look at pictures on website under "examples" tag.


No. They do not keep their heads down. Jeter is an aberration.

Ted Williams says this:
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All I've heard around the Red Sox for the last five years is to keep your head straight down all the time, and it's a terrible thing. Mr. Brett does it sometimes and gets himself all screwed up. You know why? There's no way you can complete your swing.
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To say Jeter is an abberation is fine. But look at Mauer, Pujols. Got great pics of them with head down. Maybe somewhat misleading in saying "down." Like said before, head starts front shoulder, finishes back shoulder and actually stays still throughout swing. Matt Williams was a great of example of guy who pulled head a lot. All I am saying is head has to stay still. If we get head movement pretty hard to time and square up a pitch.


The head is not down. Good hitters are not sticking their faces in the ball at contact. And they are not doing what Wade Boggs did.

I agree that head movement is minimal at best. Actually, the head does move during the swing. A study done 10 or so years ago says that the head moves between 0.5 and 2.5 inches during the swing. But, that's a very small movement at most.
Low Finish, we agree on something. Head movement is minimal at best. Agreed. Never said hitters were sticking their face in the ball at contact however would be interesting to see that tried.

Ok, just out of curiosity are you a linear or rotational guy in teaching hitting? Another question for you as i have heard varying opinoins on this. What would you classify Pujols as? Purely rotational or combination of the two?
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Problem i have always ran into with hitters from youth to high school is the long swing. To be more specific the swing in which you gain length deep in the zone. Some call it casting, some call it getting around the ball. Still have to be short to the ball. And I agree that kids respond to that (hands inside the ball). We also talk about letting hands lead.


Please tell me your hitters aren't literally leading with the hands.


Leading with hands another common used term that high school kids seem to "understand". We are simply staying away from gaining length deep in the hitting zone. We want to gain some length but out front at contact.
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Problem i have always ran into with hitters from youth to high school is the long swing. To be more specific the swing in which you gain length deep in the zone. Some call it casting, some call it getting around the ball. Still have to be short to the ball. And I agree that kids respond to that (hands inside the ball). We also talk about letting hands lead.


short to the ball with no running barrel start? not for success..handcrock and a barrel with a running start may look like a long swing to the average guy yet it is not in actuality.
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Originally posted by wogdoggy:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Problem i have always ran into with hitters from youth to high school is the long swing. To be more specific the swing in which you gain length deep in the zone. Some call it casting, some call it getting around the ball. Still have to be short to the ball. And I agree that kids respond to that (hands inside the ball). We also talk about letting hands lead.


short to the ball with no running barrel start? not for success..handcrock and a barrel with a running start may look like a long swing to the average guy yet it is not in actuality.


Running barrel start? Yes, we call that load. Long swing actually comes into play when you start the path from A to B and where length is gained. Running start agreed just another term for load.
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Low Finish, we agree on something. Head movement is minimal at best. Agreed. Never said hitters were sticking their face in the ball at contact however would be interesting to see that tried.

Ok, just out of curiosity are you a linear or rotational guy in teaching hitting? Another question for you as i have heard varying opinoins on this. What would you classify Pujols as? Purely rotational or combination of the two?


I'm neither. I believe in a swing powered by the breaking of resistance. Technically, it's rotation, but it doesn't feel like that. You try to avoid turning the hips for as long as you can. And finally, when you feel like your hands are working (even though they aren't). You try to keep everything pulling rearward. Especially the lower back and the hips. When the time comes to "GO!" you "break the handle" and hit the ball.

I guess (in theory), I'm more rotational. But I don't believe in teaching people to actively rotate. I believe in teaching people to build resistance, which will then cause the rotation.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Low Finish, we agree on something. Head movement is minimal at best. Agreed. Never said hitters were sticking their face in the ball at contact however would be interesting to see that tried.

Ok, just out of curiosity are you a linear or rotational guy in teaching hitting? Another question for you as i have heard varying opinoins on this. What would you classify Pujols as? Purely rotational or combination of the two?


I'm neither. I believe in a swing powered by the breaking of resistance. Technically, it's rotation, but it doesn't feel like that. You try to avoid turning the hips for as long as you can. And finally, when you feel like your hands are working (even though they aren't). You try to keep everything pulling rearward. Especially the lower back and the hips. When the time comes to "GO!" you "break the handle" and hit the ball.

I guess (in theory), I'm more rotational. But I don't believe in teaching people to actively rotate. I believe in teaching people to build resistance, which will then cause the rotation.


Must be a full moon as we have found little more common ground. I agree and think you pay little attention to either "school." Reason i bring Pujols up is i have heard people say he is purely rotational, but he works down and through the ball as well, not trying to create lift. As far as the resistance, a firm front side is imperative to hit against. I am somewhere in the middle as i like to teach high school hitters to work swing in a downward plane. Playing the numbers game with line drives and ground balls. As well, when you are consistent the long ball comes from consistency, not trying to lift the ball.
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Originally posted by Low Finish:
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Originally posted by headstillhitter:
Low Finish, we agree on something. Head movement is minimal at best. Agreed. Never said hitters were sticking their face in the ball at contact however would be interesting to see that tried.

Ok, just out of curiosity are you a linear or rotational guy in teaching hitting? Another question for you as i have heard varying opinoins on this. What would you classify Pujols as? Purely rotational or combination of the two?


I'm neither. I believe in a swing powered by the breaking of resistance. Technically, it's rotation, but it doesn't feel like that. You try to avoid turning the hips for as long as you can. And finally, when you feel like your hands are working (even though they aren't). You try to keep everything pulling rearward. Especially the lower back and the hips. When the time comes to "GO!" you "break the handle" and hit the ball.

I guess (in theory), I'm more rotational. But I don't believe in teaching people to actively rotate. I believe in teaching people to build resistance, which will then cause the rotation.


Must be a full moon as we have found little more common ground. I agree and think you pay little attention to either "school." Reason i bring Pujols up is i have heard people say he is purely rotational, but he works down and through the ball as well, not trying to create lift. As far as the resistance, a firm front side is imperative to hit against. I am somewhere in the middle as i like to teach high school hitters to work swing in a downward plane. Playing the numbers game with line drives and ground balls. As well, when you are consistent the long ball comes from consistency, not trying to lift the ball.


Swinging in a downward plane is BAD, unless you train it as "down, level (to the ball), up". Or swing down meaning flatten it behind yourself. Quickly.

The resistance is NOT from pushing against the front leg. It is coming from the hip coil, the lower back pull back, and the scapula pinch. Yes, you resist floating over the front leg. But when I say "resist" I don't mean to do it with the front leg. I see it being done with what I've outlined. That is how you get the "slightly up" barrel path (highly desirable).
Worst thing i hear is "swing level". This can't happen due to where hands start. We are trying to be short to ball and long through ball. Obviously the picture perfect swing is the one that creates backspin and carry. Extremely tough to get that on consistent basis with high school hitters. Like the downward plane to contact (which is more from linear school), but like high finish and lot of hip rotation.
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Worst thing i hear is "swing level". This can't happen due to where hands start. We are trying to be short to ball and long through ball. Obviously the picture perfect swing is the one that creates backspin and carry. Extremely tough to get that on consistent basis with high school hitters. Like the downward plane to contact (which is more from linear school), but like high finish and lot of hip rotation.


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