Pick off

1B, 1-3 out (if picked by Pitcher 2-3 by catcher, etc etc)

Correct me if I am wrong, but this would effectively nullify the base hit, right? I wondered if there was such thing as a baserunning error to be charged, but if he loses his hit, that seems to be the "penalty".

Not sure how you can loose a hit...you indicated that he singled, thus the hit.
Are you saying the BR rounded first and got caught off the bag during the same play? I was picturing a pick off by the pitcher on the next pitch...If it is rounding first during the play, I would think that would still be a single and an out as if he were trying to stretch it to a double, but let the experts answer - don't take my opinion as an answer...

As long as the batter/runner touches first safely, it is a hit - regardless of what happens after that. If he gets thrown out after that, it is scored a single, and a put out after that. Does not nullify the hit.

Same applies to any kind of hit. If a batter hits a ball to the gap, rounds second and tries to stretch it into a triple, batter is credited with a double and then thrown out going to 3rd.

Hope that clarifies things a little.

bballman - Your last paragraph does clarify. Baserunning error is not charged wheather a runner is picked off or makes a mistake trying to stretch a double to a triple. My problem is in thinking in terms of defensive errors when there seems to be no offensive error that is recorded here.

I would think that a "base running error" would be a mental mistake. A mental mistake in the field is not counted as an error either.

You could also say the result, or consequence, of a base running error is an out. The batter has to shlump back to the dugout with his head down, knowing he made a mistake. I think that is enough in itself.

Unless it's the base coach's fault for sending him.

No such thing as offensive errors (Charged to anybody that is!) The only situation I can think of where a player can have a hit taken away from him is an appeal play that puts a preceding batter out. For example, Batter gets a hit to right field, runner on first goes to third but misses bag at 2nd. Pitcher appeals, runner on third called out. Batter now gets a fielder's choice instead of a hit.

OK Heat ... interesting scenario. What are you using as the basis to score this as a FC?

This is part of OBR 10.05

(b) The official scorer shall not credit a base hit when a:

(2) batter apparently hits safely and a runner who is forced to advance by reason of
the batter becoming a runner fails to touch the first base to which such runner
is advancing and is called out on appeal. The official scorer shall charge the
batter with a time at bat but no hit;

This of course, makes the guy that hit the ball a very unhappy camper and is allowed to punish said baserunner in a manner agreed upon by Kangaroo court.

Got me on that one. You're exactly right. Good call!

That scenario feels even more unfair to the batter than the case when R1 gets thrown out at 2nd on a hard hit grounder to CF who's playing shallow -- turning a clean single into an FC.

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Originally posted by OK Heat:
No such thing as offensive errors (Charged to anybody that is!) The only situation I can think of where a player can have a hit taken away from him is an appeal play that puts a preceding batter out. For example, Batter gets a hit to right field, runner on first goes to third but misses bag at 2nd. Pitcher appeals, runner on third called out. Batter now gets a fielder's choice instead of a hit.

I am learning so much here.

Yes I am glad I found this particular forum about scorekeeping. I have been scoring games over 30 years and am still learning new things. But that's baseball for you, our sport just has all kind of rules to cover every situation and some of them don't happen very often.