Yes and 4 kids from that team are still playing TODAY. When did you when a State Champ? Jealousy is very funny.
"Sour grapes?"
I don't have a stake in Plano West, Flower Mound, or Jesuit, don't have a favorite among the teams affected, and frankly don't care who wins.
I have acknowledged that I don't even have an opinion on who is the best of those teams. Your coach has an opinion--he was unwilling to test his team against the others over a 3 game series.
The point of my posting is not to knock PW, which obviously is a good team, or their coach, who is using the system that is available. My point is simple, a 3 game series is a fairer way to determine the truly better team. If you don't believe that, then perhaps you would advocate PW returning it's State Championship trophy from 2008, since they lost the first game in the Regional final that year. (I know, you have excuses--they didn't pitch Flora, etc.)
And obviously, many times,the better team wins a one game series, anyway, and I've never said otherwise. It is true though that the lesser team has a better chance in one game than in three.
Plano West has lost games this year. From a review of your posts, it's clear that you don't think those teams that beat PW were really better. But of course, when PW wins, you always accept that it's because they are better. It's clear that your opinion is determined by how PW performs, whereas mine, and that of many others on this Board, are not dependent upon individual results, but on an understanding of baseball in general--the vagaries of the game have a much greater impact in one game than they do over the course of several games.
Good luck to Plano West in the rest of the play-offs. As a fan of baseball in this area, I'm hoping that either PW or Marcus wins it all. At least we can rest easy knowing that (according to you at least) PW will never face a team better than they are.
I don't have a stake in Plano West, Flower Mound, or Jesuit, don't have a favorite among the teams affected, and frankly don't care who wins.
I have acknowledged that I don't even have an opinion on who is the best of those teams. Your coach has an opinion--he was unwilling to test his team against the others over a 3 game series.
The point of my posting is not to knock PW, which obviously is a good team, or their coach, who is using the system that is available. My point is simple, a 3 game series is a fairer way to determine the truly better team. If you don't believe that, then perhaps you would advocate PW returning it's State Championship trophy from 2008, since they lost the first game in the Regional final that year. (I know, you have excuses--they didn't pitch Flora, etc.)
And obviously, many times,the better team wins a one game series, anyway, and I've never said otherwise. It is true though that the lesser team has a better chance in one game than in three.
Plano West has lost games this year. From a review of your posts, it's clear that you don't think those teams that beat PW were really better. But of course, when PW wins, you always accept that it's because they are better. It's clear that your opinion is determined by how PW performs, whereas mine, and that of many others on this Board, are not dependent upon individual results, but on an understanding of baseball in general--the vagaries of the game have a much greater impact in one game than they do over the course of several games.
Good luck to Plano West in the rest of the play-offs. As a fan of baseball in this area, I'm hoping that either PW or Marcus wins it all. At least we can rest easy knowing that (according to you at least) PW will never face a team better than they are.
quote:Originally posted by hornsr1:
Yes and 4 kids from that team are still playing TODAY. When did you when a State Champ? Jealousy is very funny.
Haha. I have one, don't worry. Which means one more than you. I just don't have to reference it all the time in an attempt to gain credibility.
Just admit that your coach felt Jesuit and Flower Mound had better pitching. Why is that so hard???
I'll also say I have no stake in anything here.
I'm simply pointing out the unfairness in the system.
I think my previous posts have stated my case clear enough.
Baseball isn't a sport meant to be decided on one game. That's why you play so many games. And that's also why you RARELY have teams go undefeated and even the best of teams that have come along the past decade have 5-6 losses a year.
If the best team won 95% of the time like in football, there would be no need to play so many games in baseball.
I'm simply pointing out the unfairness in the system.
I think my previous posts have stated my case clear enough.
Baseball isn't a sport meant to be decided on one game. That's why you play so many games. And that's also why you RARELY have teams go undefeated and even the best of teams that have come along the past decade have 5-6 losses a year.
If the best team won 95% of the time like in football, there would be no need to play so many games in baseball.
Agreed, system is problem, not the way current teams for coaches play within the current system. Change to 2/3 mandatory!
quote:Originally posted by The Voice of Reason:
"Sour grapes?"
I don't have a stake in Plano West, Flower Mound, or Jesuit, don't have a favorite among the teams affected, and frankly don't care who wins.
I have acknowledged that I don't even have an opinion on who is the best of those teams. Your coach has an opinion--he was unwilling to test his team against the others over a 3 game series.
The point of my posting is not to knock PW, which obviously is a good team, or their coach, who is using the system that is available. My point is simple, a 3 game series is a fairer way to determine the truly better team. If you don't believe that, then perhaps you would advocate PW returning it's State Championship trophy from 2008, since they lost the first game in the Regional final that year. (I know, you have excuses--they didn't pitch Flora, etc.)
And obviously, many times,the better team wins a one game series, anyway, and I've never said otherwise. It is true though that the lesser team has a better chance in one game than in three.
Plano West has lost games this year. From a review of your posts, it's clear that you don't think those teams that beat PW were really better. But of course, when PW wins, you always accept that it's because they are better. It's clear that your opinion is determined by how PW performs, whereas mine, and that of many others on this Board, are not dependent upon individual results, but on an understanding of baseball in general--the vagaries of the game have a much greater impact in one game than they do over the course of several games.
Good luck to Plano West in the rest of the play-offs. As a fan of baseball in this area, I'm hoping that either PW or Marcus wins it all. At least we can rest easy knowing that (according to you at least) PW will never face a team better than they are.
Iron,
Obviously, the teams that PW beat in a 1 gamer didn't have better pitching, those teams threw their best and got beat, plain and simple. The best TEAM won.
DFW,
Where did I say that PW will never face a team better? Please take your meds and for the record, I said that PW has played two very good teams and beat them, They can lose this weekend, Coronado is a good team and congrats to them if they pull it off.
It is just baseball and your large inferiority complex is very funny.
Obviously, the teams that PW beat in a 1 gamer didn't have better pitching, those teams threw their best and got beat, plain and simple. The best TEAM won.
DFW,
Where did I say that PW will never face a team better? Please take your meds and for the record, I said that PW has played two very good teams and beat them, They can lose this weekend, Coronado is a good team and congrats to them if they pull it off.
It is just baseball and your large inferiority complex is very funny.
Nanny nanny boo boo, my team is better than yours. We are #1. Wooooooo Hooooooooo. Get ya some of that. Take that.
Keep it up Horns1... I get a good chuckle each time I read your postings... Better than reading the comics...
Mav,
thanks for your educated thoughts. Shouldn't you be tending to your still in trailer park village? Is your team still playing?
thanks for your educated thoughts. Shouldn't you be tending to your still in trailer park village? Is your team still playing?
I liked it better when you retreated into the darkness as PW fell to 3rd in the district.
Actually, it was a T2, but thanks for caring.
quote:Originally posted by hornsr1: Shouldn't you be tending to your still in trailer park village?
Mav,
Did you move to Mesquite?
quote:Originally posted by hornsr1:
Actually, it was a T2, but thanks for caring.
Oh yeah. It was 3-seed though because they lost their one-gamer. My bad.
Wait, hold the presses !!!!! PW got beat in a one gamer? Wow, that team must be better than PW, if you go by horny1's theory. Or maybe it was like an old indian once said, "I would rather be lucky than good"
OMG!!!!!!
Do you guys ever get tired of bickering? Everyone knows that there are plenty of people who do not like the existing rules, but they are what they are.
Please remember, baseball is a game and it is supposed to be about the kids!!!
They are friends before and after games - in the words of the infamous Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"
Do you guys ever get tired of bickering? Everyone knows that there are plenty of people who do not like the existing rules, but they are what they are.
Please remember, baseball is a game and it is supposed to be about the kids!!!
They are friends before and after games - in the words of the infamous Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"
quote:Originally posted by Roy Hobbs: I've always had the argument that if you are a district champion or higher seed even you should have the right to play 2 out of 3 if you want.
I keep hearing this argument that it is OK for coaches to cry for their one gamer as long as it gives their team an advantage. That because the option is available, it is therefore permissible to take it.
No. I think less of any coach who opts for the one gamer. I want a series from start to finish.
No. I think less of any coach who opts for the one gamer. I want a series from start to finish.
then call the UIL and/or start a petition
OMG 58DD, can't you just get along with other people.
quote:Originally posted by hornsr1:
Sizzle.
If the bats are better than the other team and the pitcher is better, than 1 games series do make sense. It rest your pitchers for the long road.
Your scenario is very flawed and most likely would not happen.A mediocre team can get lucky in a 2-3, just ask the Woodlands or Bellaire and on and on.
In NT, the best TEAM has won in most of the 1 game series and it was proven on the field.
Tells me that the coach only has confidence in one pitcher, just say'in
Not bickering. Just working toward the change of the system. Lots of things happen via internet, including the fact that newpapers and others read, listen, think, write, and eventually things happen that are good. The system must be changed and 90% of the coaches and probably the same percent of rational fans agree. Right now it is not about the kids playing and that is what has to change. Right now it is too much about how many coin flips are won and lost. That is where the insanity lays! I can't believe student athletes have to wait and cringe over winning or losing a coin flip before the game starts. Could you imagine if a football team decided they were only really equiped to play 1/2 a game against a team and could flip to make that happen. Or on the other side, that they wanted 2/3 instead and could flip for that? Change the system to make it the same for all teams and not dependant upon a coin flip!
quote:Originally posted by 58diamonddad:
OMG!!!!!!
Do you guys ever get tired of bickering? Everyone knows that there are plenty of people who do not like the existing rules, but they are what they are.
Please remember, baseball is a game and it is supposed to be about the kids!!!
They are friends before and after games - in the words of the infamous Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"
quote:Originally posted by ironhorse:quote:Originally posted by hornsr1:
Yes and 4 kids from that team are still playing TODAY. When did you when a State Champ? Jealousy is very funny.
Haha. I have one, don't worry. Which means one more than you. I just don't have to reference it all the time in an attempt to gain credibility.
Just admit that your coach felt Jesuit and Flower Mound had better pitching. Why is that so hard???
Here's my guess.... Clark felt like Huber was better than Jesuits #1 pitcher... and it looks like he was right. Ace on Ace... West Prevailed.
hornsr1, hope PW wins so u can gettcha some of FM Marcus !! So sick of hearing u talk smack, along with alot of others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember LONGBALLS
long,
Not talking smack,PW could lose this week, just like Marcus. I hope we play you, I like the matchup. Good luck vs Monterey, you will need it.
Not talking smack,PW could lose this week, just like Marcus. I hope we play you, I like the matchup. Good luck vs Monterey, you will need it.
quote:Originally posted by hornsr1:
Mav,
thanks for your educated thoughts. Shouldn't you be tending to your still in trailer park village? Is your team still playing?
Sorry... Don't HAVE A TEAM to root for in HS... Your welcome for the educated thought but I simply stated I like to read your posts. You have to admit they are funny.
I don't have a still either. I buy wine online and have it delivered. It goes in the wine celler.
Never been in Trailer Park Village either. Is there something wrong with living in a trailer park? Lots of good folks live in single and double wides.
Keep up the good work...
quote:Originally posted by DrewJohnson:
Here's my guess.... Clark felt like Huber was better than Jesuits #1 pitcher... and it looks like he was right. Ace on Ace... West Prevailed.
He also felt his #2-4 weren't as good, I would imagine.
hornr1 , thanks! But yall might need some luck also since its a best of 3
When we did this debate before, it seemed to me that the best arguments were made for 3 game series. (Even though I personally took a run at defending the 1-game option for the hell of it). To me the the most valid reasons for 3-game series from that debate were:
1) A team that seeded lower in district play shouldn't be given an opportunity to take AWAY the statistical advantage a proven better team has (yes, VOR, everyone does understand the math...you don't have to go over it again)
2) The inconsistency is intrinsically unfair because its not the same for all series'. So people who lose 1-game series end up wishing (for obvious reasons) that they could have taken the 3-game option, and will never, ever shut up about it, as we're witnessing. So it ends up tainting eventual State title winner. Nobody really wants that result, otherwise, what's the point?
I still feel like there's a valid argument for valuing a team which can consistently rise to the occasion when faced with the challenge of having to win 1-game series, but I don't think that outweighs the importance of these other two.
1) A team that seeded lower in district play shouldn't be given an opportunity to take AWAY the statistical advantage a proven better team has (yes, VOR, everyone does understand the math...you don't have to go over it again)
2) The inconsistency is intrinsically unfair because its not the same for all series'. So people who lose 1-game series end up wishing (for obvious reasons) that they could have taken the 3-game option, and will never, ever shut up about it, as we're witnessing. So it ends up tainting eventual State title winner. Nobody really wants that result, otherwise, what's the point?
I still feel like there's a valid argument for valuing a team which can consistently rise to the occasion when faced with the challenge of having to win 1-game series, but I don't think that outweighs the importance of these other two.
long,
You are probably right, we have PW probably has no chance in a 3 game series with 2 D1 pitchers and quality set up guys. However, the talent and EXPERIENCE level between our teams is immense, just ask Flower Mound.
You are probably right, we have PW probably has no chance in a 3 game series with 2 D1 pitchers and quality set up guys. However, the talent and EXPERIENCE level between our teams is immense, just ask Flower Mound.
hornsr1 I assume by your name that you are a UT fan so ---- NEWSFLASH---- Mizzou beats #1 ranked Texas today 7 - 3 in one game.
Obviously by your logic Mizzou is clearly the better TEAM. Both teams threw D1 pitchers, both teams played hard and tried to win, both coaches coached to the best of thier abilities and the better team won, right?
Probably not, but you get my point. Anything can happen in one game. BTW - Texas swept Mizzou in a 3 game series last weekend. Good luck to all in the playoffs.
Obviously by your logic Mizzou is clearly the better TEAM. Both teams threw D1 pitchers, both teams played hard and tried to win, both coaches coached to the best of thier abilities and the better team won, right?
Probably not, but you get my point. Anything can happen in one game. BTW - Texas swept Mizzou in a 3 game series last weekend. Good luck to all in the playoffs.
I have not been much of a contributor to this site but as I have a Jesuit senior this may be one of my last posts (I think I've only done 3 or 4 in the last 2 years). I keep hearing that "this is about the kids". Well, all I know is that if Jesuit had been given the opportunity to play a best of 3 like MOST os the other teams my son would have had at least one more game to play as a senior Ranger. Horns....I'm not saying that we would have won BUT I am saying that I would have had at least one more game (perhaps more???) to see my son in the blue and gold. About the kids????? I think not. About the coaches??????
Boudreax is out....best to luck to you all. Please say a prayer for me that I can kick this high school baseball habit as Boudreaux's boy is off to LSU (go figure).
GOD BLESS.
Boudreax is out....best to luck to you all. Please say a prayer for me that I can kick this high school baseball habit as Boudreaux's boy is off to LSU (go figure).
GOD BLESS.
we're all in agreeance, single-game format isn't best
jesuit has a good team, plano west a good team..
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not that much difference to say one of them is absolutely better than the other...
if jesuit had won Game 1, would the rangers have been so righteous about playing Games 2 and/or 3 cause that is the right way to play? ...sure plano west would have agreed at that point
jesuit has a good team, plano west a good team..
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not that much difference to say one of them is absolutely better than the other...
if jesuit had won Game 1, would the rangers have been so righteous about playing Games 2 and/or 3 cause that is the right way to play? ...sure plano west would have agreed at that point
I agree that you all are weetarted.
hornsr1 - How do you know that Jesuit actually threw their best pitcher against PW??? I can't believe that this topic hasn't come up till now. I do have a horse in this race. The last time they played, Jesuit's pitcher threw a 2 hitter and won the game.. One of the hits was in the 7th. The same kid who beat PW last time came into the game to relieve the starter down 3-1 and threw a 2 hitter in 3 1/3 innings. Jesuit's coach didn't start this kid because he said that PW was expecting to see him and they were preparing for him so he started another pitcher. I didn't and still don't understand that logic. Per his Jesuit pitching coach, this kid was the hottest pitcher on the team at that time. In my humble opinion the kid who won the last PW district game and didn't start, matched up better against PW as he was extremely confidant and was 90 - 93 at the end of the season and into the playoffs.
The smart play was to do exactly what Jesuit did. PW's strongest bats are left handers, so it was a good call to go with a lefty. Jesuit was fortunate to have to of them from which to choose.
Flower Mound started one of the best righthanders in the area and the PW lefthanders did the damage against him in breaking out to the 5-0 lead. FM brought in their power lefthander after the rain delay and he threw five scoreless. The Jesuit coaches apparently took notes.
While coach-bashing is an Olympic event around these parts (I have a Ph.D in it myself) this was the right call by the Jesuit coaching staff.
To Boudreaux:
It was a pleasure watching your son on the field. He plays the game as it was meant to be played. Best of luck to him.
Flower Mound started one of the best righthanders in the area and the PW lefthanders did the damage against him in breaking out to the 5-0 lead. FM brought in their power lefthander after the rain delay and he threw five scoreless. The Jesuit coaches apparently took notes.
While coach-bashing is an Olympic event around these parts (I have a Ph.D in it myself) this was the right call by the Jesuit coaching staff.
To Boudreaux:
It was a pleasure watching your son on the field. He plays the game as it was meant to be played. Best of luck to him.
quote:Originally posted by longballs:
hornsr1, hope PW wins so u can gettcha some of FM Marcus !! So sick of hearing u talk smack, along with alot of others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember LONGBALLS
its too bad PW wont be able to "gettcha some of FM Marcus this weekend"....
FM's lefty came in and got hit hard and gave up a 3 run HR to a Freshman that sealed the game.so much for the lefty "theory".
It's not bashing when you don't agree. If you can't disagree respectfully why have a forum. The righty from FM was gunned that night at 87 - 89.. There is quite a bit of difference from that velo and 90 - 92.. Jacques threw ag the same lefties earlier in the year and gave up 2 hits and and in relief in 3 1/3 gave up 2 singles that had eyes on them. I believe that you want your best athletes, who have proven they can pitch and win in HUGE games/events/showcases, on the field when the season is on the line. Just my humble and respectful opinion.
Mr. DeGruy,
What big games has your son pitched in, respectfully?
BTW, Bruce was clocked at 90-92 in the playoff game vs PW and your son was clocked at 87-89 by the opposing coaches from Lubbock in the game vs PW.
From I understand, your son is a good pitcher and should fit in well at Tulane. Congrats on a good year and in the future.
What big games has your son pitched in, respectfully?
BTW, Bruce was clocked at 90-92 in the playoff game vs PW and your son was clocked at 87-89 by the opposing coaches from Lubbock in the game vs PW.
From I understand, your son is a good pitcher and should fit in well at Tulane. Congrats on a good year and in the future.
1. This shouldn't even be a discussion because it should have been a 3-gamer anyway.
2. I myself would have started Jans. It's not a no-brainer, but I don't understand why why no one else has brought this up yet--maybe because Mr. Jans does not post on this site?
3. Horns I'm not sure what your affiliation with Plano West baseball is, but you're posts embarrass the program and all those who represent it. I hope you are having fun.
2. I myself would have started Jans. It's not a no-brainer, but I don't understand why why no one else has brought this up yet--maybe because Mr. Jans does not post on this site?
3. Horns I'm not sure what your affiliation with Plano West baseball is, but you're posts embarrass the program and all those who represent it. I hope you are having fun.