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J HJ H5,000+ posts
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My son doesn't ice because he doesn't damage his arm.



Your son damages his arm every time throws a baseball. That is not my opinion, that is pure scientific fact. If you rephrased and said "injures" his arm then I completely agree with you. But the wording you used caused this statement to be wrong.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by J H:
quote:
My son doesn't ice because he doesn't damage his arm.



Your son damages his arm every time throws a baseball. That is not my opinion, that is pure scientific fact. If you rephrased and said "injures" his arm then I completely agree with you. But the wording you used caused this statement to be wrong.


I don't think he has gotten that far in his research to know what you are talking about. Roll Eyes
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GM Gingerbread Man500+ posts
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Originally posted by TPM:
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Originally posted by J H:
quote:
My son doesn't ice because he doesn't damage his arm.



Your son damages his arm every time throws a baseball. That is not my opinion, that is pure scientific fact. If you rephrased and said "injures" his arm then I completely agree with you. But the wording you used caused this statement to be wrong.




I dopn't think he has gotten that far in his research to know what you are talking about. Roll Eyes


It's best to just let people think your stupid rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
J HJ H5,000+ posts
I'm nitpicking because you're wrong. I don't care what you do at work. Don't assume people know what you're talking about, because I sure as hell don't 99% of the time. To me you have no credibility here and I believe someone would be ill-advised to take any part of what you say pertaining to baseball into thoughtful consideration.

You're wrong. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong before, so has TPM and everyone else here.
J HJ H5,000+ posts
I have an honest question GBM. Why do you post on this website? It's quite obvious to me, and MANY other members here, that you do not take any opinions into consideration other than your own. I know that I began posting on this site to gain valuable knowledge about all aspects of the game, and that is why I still continue to post. But since you evidently refuse to take any information of value out of anything that another individual posts, then why bother?
ShelbyShelby1,000+ posts
GPM:
Now, that is like calling the kettle black! No reason for name calling or belittling others. Possibly, you just can't help yourself... but, regardless, it needs to end now! Sometimes, one is just posting a comment, based on their own experience, some which, I know for fact, is extensive. Not everyone is asking you a question or looking for an always lively conversation. Maybe, try PM others, then you'll know whether or not they do, indeed want to banter back and forth. The poor guy who started this post...is most likely regretting it.

And, if being polite & diplomatic doesn't get it across... then maybe others should just ignore your posts. It's gotten old!

Be nice! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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GM Gingerbread Man500+ posts
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Originally posted by J H:
I'm nitpicking because you're wrong. I don't care what you do at work. Don't assume people know what you're talking about, because I sure as hell don't 99% of the time. To me you have no credibility here and I believe someone would be ill-advised to take any part of what you say pertaining to baseball into thoughtful consideration.

You're wrong. It's ok to be wrong. I've been wrong before, so has TPM and everyone else here.


Where am I wrong? If you are going to point fingers please at least point it at something specific so we can discuss it.
GM Gingerbread Man500+ posts
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Originally posted by Shelby:
GPM:
Now, that is like calling the kettle black! No reason for name calling or belittling others. Possibly, you just can't help yourself... but, regardless, it needs to end now! Sometimes, one is just posting a comment, based on their own experience, some which, I know for fact, is extensive. Not everyone is asking you a question or looking for an always lively conversation. Maybe, try PM others, then you'll know whether or not they do, indeed want to banter back and forth. The poor guy who started this post...is most likely regretting it.

And, if being polite & diplomatic doesn't get it across... then maybe others should just ignore your posts. It's gotten old!

Be nice! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


Perhaps I do go off sometimes but you don't know these folks like I do. They will jump on to destroy your credibility whenever and however they can. Their arguments are mostly baseless and done only to disrespect. I am just returning their own wrath.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by Shelby:
GPM:
Now, that is like calling the kettle black! No reason for name calling or belittling others. Possibly, you just can't help yourself... but, regardless, it needs to end now! Sometimes, one is just posting a comment, based on their own experience, some which, I know for fact, is extensive. Not everyone is asking you a question or looking for an always lively question. Maybe, try PM others, then you'll know whether or not they do, indeed want to banter back and forth. The poor guy who started this post...is most likely regretting it.

And, if being polite & diplomatic doesn't get it across... then maybe others should just ignore your posts. It's gotten old!

Be nice! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


Shelby,
Don't worry yourself this is typical. It's BS.
So are the stories. He hurts his own credibility.

Here's one...
http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/f...921072982#4921072982

Wait, didn't he say a few posts back his son began throwing his cb @11 and a half. That's not what he said back in 2008. He claims his son was throwing a CB at 10 in two leagues, had some issue as well. I for one am not impressed with anything he posts about all the studies he's read, blah blah, blah. Maybe he's just coming around to reality. This is a great example why parents need to seek out qualified pitching instructors!

Do some research folks, this guy is arguing that CB isn't the culprit, overuse is, back when he first began posting he bragged how is son threw about 150-200 throws a day to stay conditioned and his week consisted of 150 pitch counts. 150 pitches a week and how old was he back then? How many leagues was he playing in?

I have no clue why he is here either, he's right, we are wrong, that's it, everything an issue.
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
I wouldn't worry about people saying "no curveballs", I have been hearing it for 5 years. GBM son started throwing breaking balls when he was 11 and he just turned 16. Have had many a soul tell me that sons arm would be toast by the time he got to HS. Well, sons arm is still good going into his sophmore year.

Knowing your son and watching him carefully is the best advice. Teach son the importance of warning signs and that he has the power to shut his arm down no matter what. Overuse is the leading cause for serious injuries related to throwing and pitching.

I would also chime in that pretty much every competetive pre-HS team of 13 years olds has pitchers who know how and do throw breaking balls. Even here in Idaho you will not find a team of travel 13u kids who don't throw breaking balls. Just watch the LLWS. What have they done to help with preventing arm injury? Limited total pitches to decrease "overuse". It's interesting that no national little league sanctioning body has outlawed breaking balls but almost all have limited how much total pitches a kid can throw over a period of time.


Here's the post that opened it up.
I didn't realize that he stated his son began throwing a CB at 11, then it was 11 and a half in 2008 it was 10. I feel that this was a direct effort to take away from the original post, something he does often. Some refer to this as trolling. And this is just an example. Then we get blasted because we should know what he means? What do you mean, did he begin at 10, 11 or 11 and a half? Roll Eyes
GM Gingerbread Man500+ posts
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Originally posted by TPM:
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Originally posted by Gingerbread Man:
I wouldn't worry about people saying "no curveballs", I have been hearing it for 5 years. GBM son started throwing breaking balls when he was 11 and he just turned 16. Have had many a soul tell me that sons arm would be toast by the time he got to HS. Well, sons arm is still good going into his sophmore year.

Knowing your son and watching him carefully is the best advice. Teach son the importance of warning signs and that he has the power to shut his arm down no matter what. Overuse is the leading cause for serious injuries related to throwing and pitching.

I would also chime in that pretty much every competetive pre-HS team of 13 years olds has pitchers who know how and do throw breaking balls. Even here in Idaho you will not find a team of travel 13u kids who don't throw breaking balls. Just watch the LLWS. What have they done to help with preventing arm injury? Limited total pitches to decrease "overuse". It's interesting that no national little league sanctioning body has outlawed breaking balls but almost all have limited how much total pitches a kid can throw over a period of time.


Here's the post that opened it up.
I didn't realize that he stated his son began throwing a CB at 11, then it was 11 and a half in 2008 it was 10. I feel that this was a direct effort to take away from the original post, something he does often. Some refer to this as trolling. And this is just an example. Then we get blasted because we should know what he means? What do you mean, did he begin at 10, 11 or 11 and a half? Roll Eyes


It's not that hard to figure out. You make it seem as if I took him out on his 10th birthday and showed him how to throw a hook. I have never ever stated that son was throwing curveballs at 10 years of age. Just so you know, I will say it one more time- I taught him a knuckle curve grip when he was 10. He threw it the same way he threw his fastball. In the spring of the next year, he then learned how to throw it so that it was a true "curveball". At that time he was 11 1/2 years old.

Perhaps you may have forgot that I brought up the deal about the curveball after there was some potential misinformation posted.
TP The Pitching Academy100+ posts
First off I'd like to say he has a great presence on the mound. He looks comfortable and confident like he knows he belongs there so that is working in his favor.
He does need an overhaul on his mechanics but nothing that hard work and dedication won't fix during the winter. A few basics (leading with his hips, throwing with his legs, and not dropping his arm) will help him tremendously.
Here is a quick video that will get him started. Good luck next season and keep up the good work!
http://youtu.be/xqorZLqRUm0
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