For those in the know, how do Power 5 schools plan or handle situations where they lose senior commits to the draft? Do they recruit and make offers to more players then they need? Do they sometimes end up in situations where they have to recruit a player very late in the game? So if a school loses a 2018 commit that they thought would skip draft, are they scrambling to find a 2018 in May or June?
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Big time programs over recruit guessing who will actually sign. If they have a player pegged as a signee and he doesn’t someone at the other end of their recruiting list gets screwed.
A friend’s son thought he was headed for a top baseball/academic program. He was told to attend a specific JuCo instead. He was committed and screwed by his NLI. His only out was go JuCo or drop down to D2. They never brought him back with another offer after he went JuCo.
This scenario occurs far more often than needing an extra recruit. The advantage is all in favor of the college. The player has no power at all.
Thanks. I just finished reading up on the NLI and better understand what you mean. D1 baseball program can lock you in for one year but same program has no requirement to honor the NLI in terms of roster spot. Wow! We have definitely gained a better understanding of how big a role performance plays in sticking with a program but had no idea that the NLI only guarantees athletic $ for 1 year and nothing more. Light bulb moment for me. Thanks.
This is why the most commonly heard mantra on this site is “go where you are loved.” If a player does so he won’t be at the bottom of the recruit list and get screwed. This can mean taking a pass on the dream school. But the objective is to get on the field not just on the roster or screwed altogether.
coachld posted:Thanks. I just finished reading up on the NLI and better understand what you mean. D1 baseball program can lock you in for one year but same program has no requirement to honor the NLI in terms of roster spot. Wow! We have definitely gained a better understanding of how big a role performance plays in sticking with a program but had no idea that the NLI only guarantees athletic $ for 1 year and nothing more. Light bulb moment for me. Thanks.
Fairly certain that NLI at a Power Five conference school guarantees money for 4 years. Now, a player could get bounced from the roster, and a vast majority choose to transfer rather than just be a student and not play, but the money is guaranteed for four years.
We were told, for example, by one Big 10 HC that the Big 10 guarantees at least a 25% scholarship for the four years.
Yes, as of Jan 2015 Power 5's are guaranteed for 4 years if you stick around where you're not wanted. Most kids quit or move on.
Yes, the scholarship may be guaranteed for four years. But how many baseball players are going to hang around if they can’t play baseball? When players go D1 they believe they have some shot at going pro. It can’t be done without playing. It’s why these guaranteed scholarships are meaningless.
Shoveit4Ks posted:Yes, as of Jan 2015 Power 5's are guaranteed for 4 years if you stick around where you're not wanted. Most kids quit or move on.
What is the definition of "stick around"...do you have to remain on the team? Could you try out for other sports? I get the fact that the vast majority of kids that get to this level are so desperate to play baseball that they'd be gone in a heart beat...but there must be some who would rather stay at their dream school even w/o baseball.
K9 posted:Shoveit4Ks posted:Yes, as of Jan 2015 Power 5's are guaranteed for 4 years if you stick around where you're not wanted. Most kids quit or move on.
What is the definition of "stick around"...do you have to remain on the team? Could you try out for other sports? I get the fact that the vast majority of kids that get to this level are so desperate to play baseball that they'd be gone in a heart beat...but there must be some who would rather stay at their dream school even w/o baseball.
Some, yes. But it tends to be an awfully small minority of players. The type of athlete who plays in a Power Five, generally speaking wants to play, and if you are good enough to play D1 Power Five you are not delusional to think you at least have a shot at pro Baseball.
I suppose there are sometimes kids whose main goal is academic, who use Baseball to get a partial ride at a place like Vanderbilt or Stanford in pre-med etc, and are just fine with or without college Baseball, but I gotta think those kids are the exceptions and are much more likely to attend Harvard or Yale or MIT....
I know a kid attending Vanderbilt (not playing although he was a good high school Baseball player). Tickets are free or low cost to Vandy students students. He's thrilled he gets to see Alabama football and Kentucky basketball for free. He's in pre-med at one of the best medical schools in the country. Now, if his athletic genetics were higher and he threw 93 instead of 81 and was on Vandy's Baseball team, and if things didn't work out and the coaches said "we don't have a roster spot for you anymore", I bet this particular kid would just stay. But he'd be an exception....
3and2Fastball posted:K9 posted:Shoveit4Ks posted:Yes, as of Jan 2015 Power 5's are guaranteed for 4 years if you stick around where you're not wanted. Most kids quit or move on.
What is the definition of "stick around"...do you have to remain on the team? Could you try out for other sports? I get the fact that the vast majority of kids that get to this level are so desperate to play baseball that they'd be gone in a heart beat...but there must be some who would rather stay at their dream school even w/o baseball.
Some, yes. But it tends to be an awfully small minority of players. The type of athlete who plays in a Power Five, generally speaking wants to play, and if you are good enough to play D1 Power Five you are not delusional to think you at least have a shot at pro Baseball.
I suppose there are sometimes kids whose main goal is academic, who use Baseball to get a partial ride at a place like Vanderbilt or Stanford in pre-med etc, and are just fine with or without college Baseball, but I gotta think those kids are the exceptions and are much more likely to attend Harvard or Yale or MIT....
I know a kid attending Vanderbilt (not playing although he was a good high school Baseball player). Tickets are free or low cost to Vandy students students. He's thrilled he gets to see Alabama football and Kentucky basketball for free. He's in pre-med at one of the best medical schools in the country. Now, if his athletic genetics were higher and he threw 93 instead of 81 and was on Vandy's Baseball team, and if things didn't work out and the coaches said "we don't have a roster spot for you anymore", I bet this particular kid would just stay. But he'd be an exception....
I hear you and agree that most would leave. If it were me, I wonder if the experience of getting "demoted" would sour me on the whole process. I'm advising my son to think about schools that he'd be happy at even without baseball...I suppose that the logical extension of that could be sticking around if baseball went away.
