You are correct CPLZ. A couple of weeks ago a coach offered my son what he said was a 55% scholarship. But it was 35% athletic, 20% academic. My son's feeling was that the coach was not truly investing in him the commitment that other schools were that were offering a higher percentage for athletic. My son felt that he could pursue the academic on his own. He wanted to know the exact level of commitment (%of 11.7) that the coach was giving him.
RRF8,
I'm not sure if you know how academic aid is handled when blended with athletic aid or not, so I'll outline here. (when you said...My son felt that he could pursue the academic on his own, it threw up a red flag that a coach may not allow depending on the circumstances.)
In order for academic aid to be seperate from athletic aid, the student/athelete must meet NCAA criteria before entering school for the first time. That criteria is any ONE of the following must be met...
Top 10% of his class
3.5 unweighted GPA
105 ACT total
(don't remember SAT total)
If the student doesn't meet at least one of those criteria, and the student accepts baseball scholarship money, any aid, grants or academic, taken by the student is then counted against the baseball budget of 11.7 scholarships. Most coaches will tell the player he is not allowed to accept that aid because it exceeds the threshold amount of what the coach offered and has budgeted for the player.
If the student meets one of the NCAA criteria, academic aid and grants that are available to all students under the same criteria, are not counted against the baseball budget of 11.7 scholarships, only the aid offered from the coach is then counted.
This is why it is so important for young baseball players to focus on academics. It opens a much wider door to financing their college education than just baseball alone.
I'm not sure if you know how academic aid is handled when blended with athletic aid or not, so I'll outline here. (when you said...My son felt that he could pursue the academic on his own, it threw up a red flag that a coach may not allow depending on the circumstances.)
In order for academic aid to be seperate from athletic aid, the student/athelete must meet NCAA criteria before entering school for the first time. That criteria is any ONE of the following must be met...
Top 10% of his class
3.5 unweighted GPA
105 ACT total
(don't remember SAT total)
If the student doesn't meet at least one of those criteria, and the student accepts baseball scholarship money, any aid, grants or academic, taken by the student is then counted against the baseball budget of 11.7 scholarships. Most coaches will tell the player he is not allowed to accept that aid because it exceeds the threshold amount of what the coach offered and has budgeted for the player.
If the student meets one of the NCAA criteria, academic aid and grants that are available to all students under the same criteria, are not counted against the baseball budget of 11.7 scholarships, only the aid offered from the coach is then counted.
This is why it is so important for young baseball players to focus on academics. It opens a much wider door to financing their college education than just baseball alone.
your insights and breakdown was very well thought out and provides a good outline so I commend you on that. But to hint that I am not in the know or uninformed is arrogant and just not true, but I come to expect that out of this forum. People making little digs at others without having normal conversations. I was referring to the old way where there was easily 10 players on the team not on scholarship and not all of them were getting just books. Alot of state schools didn't even have the book stipend to throw at a kid so he was a true walk-on, trying to earn money later. I also believe there are alot more 80-90% offers than you think, especially to big name pitchers. The money has to go up to get the top top guy. I am sure all schools would like to give 50% to everyone and break it down as you did but that's not how it works, i'd say there's at least 3 kids on each team getting 80-90% rides......therefore leaving more than a few kids not on scholarship and playing because they want to be there and part of a good program.
Nails,
I didn't hint that you were uninformed, I came right out and said it, because on this particular subject, it's fairly obvious. It's not a dig, it's honest.
The old way had more players on scholarship, not less. It was a way for coaches to show non prioritzed positions some love by giving them 10%. The term "book money scholarship" has nothing to do with stipend, only refers to the amount of scholarship dollars that player recieved. It is baseball scholarship slang for, "a few bucks".
I would agree that big name pitchers get big time scholarships, well upwards of 75%, but how many big name pitchers are there really? In a four year stint at an IL D1, there was only one player, a pitcher, that got over 50% and he was 100%.
But to assume that at least three kids on each team get 80-90% rides, most people would disagree with strongly. That may be true if it were blended athletic and academic aid, but not pur baseball money. It's comments like these that lead me to believe that on this particular subject, you are uninformed.
I didn't hint that you were uninformed, I came right out and said it, because on this particular subject, it's fairly obvious. It's not a dig, it's honest.
The old way had more players on scholarship, not less. It was a way for coaches to show non prioritzed positions some love by giving them 10%. The term "book money scholarship" has nothing to do with stipend, only refers to the amount of scholarship dollars that player recieved. It is baseball scholarship slang for, "a few bucks".
I would agree that big name pitchers get big time scholarships, well upwards of 75%, but how many big name pitchers are there really? In a four year stint at an IL D1, there was only one player, a pitcher, that got over 50% and he was 100%.
But to assume that at least three kids on each team get 80-90% rides, most people would disagree with strongly. That may be true if it were blended athletic and academic aid, but not pur baseball money. It's comments like these that lead me to believe that on this particular subject, you are uninformed.
If i were you i'd talk to more schools. I sure they aren't telling a parent of the kid they are recreuting their entire breakdown either, sorry but I doubt your informed on that. Isn't Army non-scholarship anyway?
As for RRF8 not thinking that a school is committed to the player because he only gave 35% and not more is the wrong way to look at it. Maybe they need to divey it up to other players. Nothing is guaranteed if you think your position is reserved because your getting 100% scholarship or 50%, etc and that's going to merit your value to the team that is completely false. These coaches are in it to win conference tournaments, get to regionals, etc.....if there is a player that's on 80% scholarship and a dog and someone that's on 20% and better guess whose playing. I wouldn't base my security on how much money I was getting, i'd go there trying to earn my position every year which is going to happen no matter how much money you get. ASU shortstop this year was a walk-on, don't you think there was other middle guys at that predigious school with more money invested in them, it didn't matter.
As for RRF8 not thinking that a school is committed to the player because he only gave 35% and not more is the wrong way to look at it. Maybe they need to divey it up to other players. Nothing is guaranteed if you think your position is reserved because your getting 100% scholarship or 50%, etc and that's going to merit your value to the team that is completely false. These coaches are in it to win conference tournaments, get to regionals, etc.....if there is a player that's on 80% scholarship and a dog and someone that's on 20% and better guess whose playing. I wouldn't base my security on how much money I was getting, i'd go there trying to earn my position every year which is going to happen no matter how much money you get. ASU shortstop this year was a walk-on, don't you think there was other middle guys at that predigious school with more money invested in them, it didn't matter.
I think some people don't tell the whole story when they talk scholarship percentages. I've heard about the 100 percenters only to find out that was 100% of tution only, no room and board. The NCAA 25% minimum if for tution and room board and CPLZ's math would seem to include both. Their may be some true 100% scolly's out there but I bet most of those guys end up signing for 7 figure bonuses and never set foot on campus.
Most players don't share too much about how much money they are getting since that can cause problems with teammates. I'd rather not know how much money others on my son's team are getting. In the end it really only matters if YOU think you got what you are worth.
Most players don't share too much about how much money they are getting since that can cause problems with teammates. I'd rather not know how much money others on my son's team are getting. In the end it really only matters if YOU think you got what you are worth.
that's a great point, that's why I know they aren't sharing their scholarship money allotments with a player of a parent they are recreuting. Once you tell them what someone else got they want that much and there becomes resentment, competition, jealousy. That's why I can't believe he's discrediting everyone on here and he's talking as if it's fact based on articles he's reading in magazine's generalizing the scholarship plans and priorities of schools. To say pitchers are all getting 50%, middle guys only 30% and only 1 of 3 catchers getting any money is very misinformed.
I agree whole heartedly though, who cares how much you get and to nitpick whether it's academic or athletic who really cares? It's about the total you get and how you fit into that program. Like I said before you could get 100% and be benched all four years because your not cutting it. All that should matter is if you are getting consistent playing time. Seen a ton of guys go to schools just for the money only to hate it, not play, and end up transferring. I think it's because they like bragging about how much money they got and don't look at how much playing time they will get or think to work hard to earn that playing time, they rely on the fact they got money to automatically play. Too many players and parents think they are entitled now..............big reason pro teams are going out of the country to look at guys. Can you imagine if a kid who hasn't played 1 inning of college baseball is nitpicking over 30 or 50% and telling the coach that he feels the coach isn't putting enough faith in him because he's not getting more money???? I'd say see you later and go to the next guy and that's what they are doing.
I agree whole heartedly though, who cares how much you get and to nitpick whether it's academic or athletic who really cares? It's about the total you get and how you fit into that program. Like I said before you could get 100% and be benched all four years because your not cutting it. All that should matter is if you are getting consistent playing time. Seen a ton of guys go to schools just for the money only to hate it, not play, and end up transferring. I think it's because they like bragging about how much money they got and don't look at how much playing time they will get or think to work hard to earn that playing time, they rely on the fact they got money to automatically play. Too many players and parents think they are entitled now..............big reason pro teams are going out of the country to look at guys. Can you imagine if a kid who hasn't played 1 inning of college baseball is nitpicking over 30 or 50% and telling the coach that he feels the coach isn't putting enough faith in him because he's not getting more money???? I'd say see you later and go to the next guy and that's what they are doing.
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
Top 10% of his class
3.5 unweighted GPA
105 ACT total
(don't remember SAT total)
What does 105 ACT total mean?
I thought 32 or 33 was the highest you could get?
quote:Originally posted by Nails:
These coaches are in it to win conference tournaments, get to regionals, etc.
I'd like to strongly disagree with this statement. I think these coaches would LIKE to win conf. tournaments, regionals, etc.
I think most of them are in it for a job and some security. Using the MVC as an example: How can every team have 11.7 schollys and yet Wichita State win the conference every year? How come they get the best players? Aren't the rest of the coaches in the conference going after a lot of the same recruits?
On another note:
Rules towards baseball is so slanted it is sickening. You see athletes in other sports transferring from school to school (D1) and able to play without sitting. Baseball players must now sit out a year or transfer to a JUCO. Can anyone explain why baseball players are discriminated against when other athletes can transfer without having to wait a year? Is the NCAA opening itself up to lawsuits if other athletes are able to transfer and play when baseball players cannot?
Nails, nobody said the offer was the only thing that was being considered, but when you have more than one offer, don't you want to compare apples to apples? I guess I should have said financial commitment. Also, We understand that the scholarship does not gurantee playing time. Every school we went to said exactly that. However, just because you get a nice offer does not mean that you are going to rest on your laurels. He will need to go out and earn his playing time every day, every practice. With each year, the school that he is at will be making similar or better offers to incoming freshmen to continue to upgrade. The academics and the opportunity are most important.
quote:Originally posted by Nails:
That's why I can't believe he's discrediting everyone on here...
Nails,
I didn't discredit everyone, only you and Mark/Dolphin Mom.
Reading is a skill that you also have yet to master. Debate me on things I actually said. For example...
quote:Originally posted by Nails:
To say pitchers are all getting 50%, middle guys only 30% and only 1 of 3 catchers getting any money...
Sorry, didn't say that. I showed the average of 7 pitchers, one catcher getting 50% and the average of 3 MIF's. If you keep reading you see that there is still plenty of scholarship money to throw around for more catchers, MIF's etc. It was illustrative, and informed.
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
Top 10% of his class
3.5 unweighted GPA
105 ACT total
(don't remember SAT total)
What does 105 ACT total mean?
I thought 32 or 33 was the highest you could get?
105 is the total of all four categories of the test. i.e. reading, math, science, english. The highest composite score is a 36 which is the total of the four tests divided by 4. So, a 105 total is equivilant to scoring a 26.25 composite.
CPLZ, et al -
Very informative and the insight is much appreciated.
One more question: How do public schools figure the value of the 11.7 scholly's? Out-of-state tuition? In-state? Specific to the residency of the student/athlete? Some combo? I recall seeing this on an old thread prior to the implementation of the new rules but not discussed since.
Any additional info would be great.
Very informative and the insight is much appreciated.
One more question: How do public schools figure the value of the 11.7 scholly's? Out-of-state tuition? In-state? Specific to the residency of the student/athlete? Some combo? I recall seeing this on an old thread prior to the implementation of the new rules but not discussed since.
Any additional info would be great.
For purposes of the NCAA, they deal with percentages and not actual dollars.
The NCAA uses Tuition + Room&Board + normal fees & books as its basis for what a 100% scholarship includes.
If in state costs were $10,000 and out of state costs $20,000 and each player recieved a 50% scholarship, ones value would be $5,000, while the others would be $10,000, but for the purpose of the NCAA baseball scholarship budget, each player used up .5 scholarships of the 11.7 available. NOTE***Baseball and athletic budgets (not to be confused with the NCAA baseball 11.7 scholarship budget) are drawn up in dollars. This may affect some public schools as to how many out of state scholarships they can offer. This is because the athletic budget is charged the dollar amount of the scholarship, which is higher for non residents. Just another consideration coaches have to take into account.
The in state student would then have to come up with an additional $5,000 out of pocket while the out of state student would have to come up with $10,000. There are situations where the schools can waive out of state (OOS) tuition, but like the example before of blended athletic and academic aid, it must be a benifit waived to all students falling into a particular category and not just athletes. Also, the athlete probably will still be required to qualify for the OOS waiver under the NCAA academic minimum or it may be counted as athletic aid and charged against the 11.7 budgeted scholarships.
It's no wonder universities have whole departments for NCAA compliance!
The NCAA uses Tuition + Room&Board + normal fees & books as its basis for what a 100% scholarship includes.
If in state costs were $10,000 and out of state costs $20,000 and each player recieved a 50% scholarship, ones value would be $5,000, while the others would be $10,000, but for the purpose of the NCAA baseball scholarship budget, each player used up .5 scholarships of the 11.7 available. NOTE***Baseball and athletic budgets (not to be confused with the NCAA baseball 11.7 scholarship budget) are drawn up in dollars. This may affect some public schools as to how many out of state scholarships they can offer. This is because the athletic budget is charged the dollar amount of the scholarship, which is higher for non residents. Just another consideration coaches have to take into account.
The in state student would then have to come up with an additional $5,000 out of pocket while the out of state student would have to come up with $10,000. There are situations where the schools can waive out of state (OOS) tuition, but like the example before of blended athletic and academic aid, it must be a benifit waived to all students falling into a particular category and not just athletes. Also, the athlete probably will still be required to qualify for the OOS waiver under the NCAA academic minimum or it may be counted as athletic aid and charged against the 11.7 budgeted scholarships.
It's no wonder universities have whole departments for NCAA compliance!
One thing I didn't see mentioned so far even in CPLZ's info (but maybe I can't read LOL) is that there is a third component in the money a student may recieve and that of course is need-based financial aid. I don't know how it fits into the overall formula but I would guess the guidelines are similar in that The FAFSA would determine the eligibility just as The NCAA has it's formula for qualifying academic aid.
I'm sure that every kid playing baseball in college does not have parents who have a ton of money or high incomes. This is a factor that often allows a kid to attend an expensive D-3 School for about the same amount of money or less than it would cost to go to say, The University of Illinois. Some of the best and most expensive schools in the country have quite high thresholds to family income regarding need based aid and in fact create great opportunities for kids who are fine students and athletes. I'd guess for the average family, a kid could easily qualify for more money via academic and need-based aid than for the baseball Scholarship.
If it doesn't snow this year, my kid may be able to go to school for free in his Senior Year! I know that would make all the Illinois HS Baseball people happy.
This is a huge factor that has not been talked about, but then again maybe everyone posting here is making at least 200K.
I'm sure that every kid playing baseball in college does not have parents who have a ton of money or high incomes. This is a factor that often allows a kid to attend an expensive D-3 School for about the same amount of money or less than it would cost to go to say, The University of Illinois. Some of the best and most expensive schools in the country have quite high thresholds to family income regarding need based aid and in fact create great opportunities for kids who are fine students and athletes. I'd guess for the average family, a kid could easily qualify for more money via academic and need-based aid than for the baseball Scholarship.
If it doesn't snow this year, my kid may be able to go to school for free in his Senior Year! I know that would make all the Illinois HS Baseball people happy.
This is a huge factor that has not been talked about, but then again maybe everyone posting here is making at least 200K.
Fastball Dad. You are preaching to the choir. It seems that all I read on this site is how people are flying their kids to Tim Buk Tu and back to throw a couple of innings, I feel that I have done something wrong in life.
RRF8
It is often difficult for a parent to have the best handle on where a kid fits in so I guess I can understand why people send kids out to find out where that is.
I also know that when my 3 kids have gone off to college I sure wish I had a little more cash in my pocket! It is always nice to have some unbiased guidance on this. This is also one reason The Stevenson Showcase is so good.
Another thing I didn't mention in my previosu post: The Financial Aid thing also applies to Private D-1 and D-2 Schools as well as D-3 in giving generous non academic and baseball money.
It is often difficult for a parent to have the best handle on where a kid fits in so I guess I can understand why people send kids out to find out where that is.
I also know that when my 3 kids have gone off to college I sure wish I had a little more cash in my pocket! It is always nice to have some unbiased guidance on this. This is also one reason The Stevenson Showcase is so good.
Another thing I didn't mention in my previosu post: The Financial Aid thing also applies to Private D-1 and D-2 Schools as well as D-3 in giving generous non academic and baseball money.
glad to hear that the coaches are telling you that playing time isn't guaranteed. I think alot of parents think the kid is going to play because he has a scholarship. On the other topic, it's very hard to get need based financial aid, the middle class ends up getting screwed with this. College is alot of money and the formula's they come up with to decide if you need help or not are ridiculous.
CPLZ, since you seem to know it all. Don't forget the fact that alot of out of state schools have grants and aid allowed toward out of state players to help them lure those type of players. There's a ton of programs out there, not a ton of kids getting money and even so.........25% isn't much help for some families. Or 25% might not be worth it if you dont' think it's a good fit.
One last thing, all other sports have to sit out as well if they transfer.
CPLZ, since you seem to know it all. Don't forget the fact that alot of out of state schools have grants and aid allowed toward out of state players to help them lure those type of players. There's a ton of programs out there, not a ton of kids getting money and even so.........25% isn't much help for some families. Or 25% might not be worth it if you dont' think it's a good fit.
One last thing, all other sports have to sit out as well if they transfer.
I'm not sure the statement regarding less kids are getting scholarships with the newly instituted rules, is correct. The new rules have capped the roster size, while directing that a minimum number of players on that capped roster get a minimum scholarship. So isn't it a minimum 27 kids of a capped roster size of something around 33 or 35, get a minimum a 25% scholarship;;; better than when a coach didn't have to give a kid a dime, and have a roster as big as he wanted.
Regarding the ACT, is it a sum score biggerpapi. So add up all 4 components of the ACT, and if it is equal to or greater than the number, mediumpapi qualifies for what is called an ACADEMIC HONOR AWARD. ACADEMIC HONOR AWARDS DO NOT COUNT AGAINST BASEBALL MONEY, I.E. THE 11.7 BASEBALL SCHOLARSHIPS.
AND COACHES LOVE TO GIVE IT. HOWEVER, THERE IS A MINIMUM GPA REQUIREMENT THAT HE WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN TO MAINTAIN THAT ACADEMIC HONOR AWARD.
Regarding the ACT, is it a sum score biggerpapi. So add up all 4 components of the ACT, and if it is equal to or greater than the number, mediumpapi qualifies for what is called an ACADEMIC HONOR AWARD. ACADEMIC HONOR AWARDS DO NOT COUNT AGAINST BASEBALL MONEY, I.E. THE 11.7 BASEBALL SCHOLARSHIPS.
AND COACHES LOVE TO GIVE IT. HOWEVER, THERE IS A MINIMUM GPA REQUIREMENT THAT HE WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN TO MAINTAIN THAT ACADEMIC HONOR AWARD.
Tuzi,
It is better in some ways and not better in others. From my standpoint I like that kids are getting a minimum, i think something like books or $1000 is just a way to keep a bullpen catcher on board. I like not having 40 kids on the team. This will though start eliminating some kids that are quality players, fell through the cracks and they let walk on and that player earns a spot possibly to start eventually. Schools are going to be very very selective now in who they give money to which is also good. But as I said there's always a situation where the guy getting $1,000 works his way up to get 25% from hard work and getting better........that might not happen as much and that player might end up being on at a smaller school because the D1 had to pass him up due to scholarship or roster restrictions.
Can't wait to see who else commits, still a ton of good names out there.
It is better in some ways and not better in others. From my standpoint I like that kids are getting a minimum, i think something like books or $1000 is just a way to keep a bullpen catcher on board. I like not having 40 kids on the team. This will though start eliminating some kids that are quality players, fell through the cracks and they let walk on and that player earns a spot possibly to start eventually. Schools are going to be very very selective now in who they give money to which is also good. But as I said there's always a situation where the guy getting $1,000 works his way up to get 25% from hard work and getting better........that might not happen as much and that player might end up being on at a smaller school because the D1 had to pass him up due to scholarship or roster restrictions.
Can't wait to see who else commits, still a ton of good names out there.
quote:Originally posted by Tuzigoot:
HOWEVER, THERE IS A MINIMUM GPA REQUIREMENT THAT HE WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN TO MAINTAIN THAT ACADEMIC HONOR AWARD.
Tuzi,
Qualifying to be eligible for academic aid to not be counted as athletic aid is a one time event in the NCAA's eyes. When you enter college, you either qualify or you don't. You can't gain qualification and you can't lose it.
There may be, and probably are, specific rules at individual institutions regarding the continuation of academic aid, but not with the NCAA in regards to whether it is counted against the 11.7 baseball scholarships.
Of this I am not 100% since I am over a year out from the recruiting process, so someone please correct me if I am wrong.
I'll correct you since your so quick to correct everyone else, your wrong. There are programs, especially academic grants that you have to keep a minimum GPA to keep getting and if you don't you lose that grant and have to re-apply for it once you raise your GPA again. Tuzi is right. Bottom line is there's ways to get money, it's difficult and time consuming with the paperwork. Playing baseball is not guaranteed and your fighting for your job not every year but every week with 35 other kids on the team that were all-conference, all-area, all-state as well as you so to get a big head and coast is not the way to go.
CPLZ, here it is I just pulled of the NCAA bylaws and I'm not going back there again! he.. he.. Bottom line if kids qualify for and the institution awards it to him, he needs to maintain a minimum of a 3.0 per the NCAA rules. Again, ACADEMIC HONOR AWARDS DO NOT COUNT AGAINST THE 11.7.
A D1 instition can award an incoming FR an Academic Honor Award (academic scholarship money) that will not count against their athletic program's Athletic Scholarships, if any one of the following critera are met by the perspective student/athlete:
1. Top 10% in their HS graduating class, or
2. Achieved a 3.5 based upon a 4.0 scale in their core HS courses, or
3. A minimum sum ACT score of 105, or
4. A minimum SAT score of 1200.
See the section below from the NCAA's D1 bylaws:
15.5.3.2.1.1 Academic Honor Awards. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s
normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient’s high
school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent
with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, are exempt from an institution’s
equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a core-course grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200. (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
For the college student/athlete to continue to receive the Academic Honor Award throughout his college career, he must maintain a cumulative GPA of 3.0 out of 4.0.
See the section below from the NCAA's D1 bylaws:
15.5.3.2.1.1.2 Renewals. The renewal of an academic honor award (per Bylaw 15.5.3.2.1) is exempt from an institution’s equivalency computation, provided: (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
(a) The recipient achieves a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (based
on a maximum of 4.000) at the certifying institution; and
(b) The recipient meets all NCAA, conference and institutional progress toward degree requirements.
A D1 instition can award an incoming FR an Academic Honor Award (academic scholarship money) that will not count against their athletic program's Athletic Scholarships, if any one of the following critera are met by the perspective student/athlete:
1. Top 10% in their HS graduating class, or
2. Achieved a 3.5 based upon a 4.0 scale in their core HS courses, or
3. A minimum sum ACT score of 105, or
4. A minimum SAT score of 1200.
See the section below from the NCAA's D1 bylaws:
15.5.3.2.1.1 Academic Honor Awards. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s
normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient’s high
school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent
with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, are exempt from an institution’s
equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a core-course grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200. (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
For the college student/athlete to continue to receive the Academic Honor Award throughout his college career, he must maintain a cumulative GPA of 3.0 out of 4.0.
See the section below from the NCAA's D1 bylaws:
15.5.3.2.1.1.2 Renewals. The renewal of an academic honor award (per Bylaw 15.5.3.2.1) is exempt from an institution’s equivalency computation, provided: (Adopted: 1/12/99 effective 8/1/99)
(a) The recipient achieves a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (based
on a maximum of 4.000) at the certifying institution; and
(b) The recipient meets all NCAA, conference and institutional progress toward degree requirements.
quote:Originally posted by Tuzigoot:
if any one of the following critera are met by the perspective student/athlete:
1. Top 10% in their HS graduating class, or
2. Achieved a 3.5 based upon a 4.0 scale in their core HS courses, or
3. A minimum sum ACT score of 105, or
4. A minimum SAT score of 1200.
So you only have to achieve ONE of the above goals. Can mediumpapi get more academic money if he achieves more than one of the above?
PS. Or LittlePapi...don't want to leave him out, but he's only 10!
Tuzi,
Nice work!
You don't have to tell me about navigating the NCAA by-laws! 
Nails,
Feel better now?
Nice work!
Nails,
Feel better now?
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:
So you only have to achieve ONE of the above goals. Can mediumpapi get more academic money if he achieves more than one of the above?
That is just the threshold at which the NCAA allows academic aid above and beyond athletic aid. I'm sure that the more of those goals juniorpapi achieves, the better his chances of greater aid. That is more institutionally dependant though.
Best of luck to both mediumpapi and your checkbook!
Yea i do, maybe you'll think twice before telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. I will pose this question to you though. Picking the Army must be difficult. YOu have to serve 4 years after you graduate is my indication of it. I know they tell you that they let you out of your duty if you get drafted but that has to be questioned now after what they did with the football player. Any thoughts on that.
Nails,
You seem to have a pretty good handle on who's who and what's what on the prep scene, certainly more so than I, but here, you were over your head and handing out bad info and got called on it. Get over it.
Here's a website Rivals Baseball
Go over there and click on the College Baseball Clubhouse and ask guys like Kendall Rogers, WaltGreenberg, DaveWright, JPK77, DodgerMatt, GEO, BoydsWorld, NYDore, about how many players on a team get 90% scholly's. They've forgotten more about college baseball than I'll ever know. (as an FYI, I already know the answer you'll get)
Army committment after graduation is 8 years, 5 years active duty, 3 years reserves. These days everyone serves their 8 years on active duty. Army rescinded the Pro Service Option in May. I have thoughts, but it's a fight still in progress, so I'll wait and see. My son, who most considered would be drafted out of college, has the option of leaving after this year and transferring to a another college where he can be drafted. No cadet owes any service time until the first day of their Junior year.
My sons intentions are to remain at West Point and if the Army doesn't reinstitute the Pro Service option, serve his country as an Army Officer. There may be an opportunity for him to apply for release after 2 years of active duty, just as Napoleon McCallum and David Robinson did at Navy. He would consider that when the time comes.
You seem to have a pretty good handle on who's who and what's what on the prep scene, certainly more so than I, but here, you were over your head and handing out bad info and got called on it. Get over it.
Here's a website Rivals Baseball
Go over there and click on the College Baseball Clubhouse and ask guys like Kendall Rogers, WaltGreenberg, DaveWright, JPK77, DodgerMatt, GEO, BoydsWorld, NYDore, about how many players on a team get 90% scholly's. They've forgotten more about college baseball than I'll ever know. (as an FYI, I already know the answer you'll get)
Army committment after graduation is 8 years, 5 years active duty, 3 years reserves. These days everyone serves their 8 years on active duty. Army rescinded the Pro Service Option in May. I have thoughts, but it's a fight still in progress, so I'll wait and see. My son, who most considered would be drafted out of college, has the option of leaving after this year and transferring to a another college where he can be drafted. No cadet owes any service time until the first day of their Junior year.
My sons intentions are to remain at West Point and if the Army doesn't reinstitute the Pro Service option, serve his country as an Army Officer. There may be an opportunity for him to apply for release after 2 years of active duty, just as Napoleon McCallum and David Robinson did at Navy. He would consider that when the time comes.
CPLZ-
Your written descriptions of the NCAA baseball recruiting process are very well done. Enjoyed reading them all. Thanks.
Your written descriptions of the NCAA baseball recruiting process are very well done. Enjoyed reading them all. Thanks.
dolphin Mom- there are books about athletic recruiting that detail what you are talking about. A great on is available on varsityedge.com. It's called " The making of a student athlete" by Dave Galehouse and Ray Lauenstein. It is a great road map for all the sports, not just baseball.
I would highly recommend it for anyone going through the recruiting process.
I would highly recommend it for anyone going through the recruiting process.
that's some very interesting stuff. I never knew you could leave after 2 years and not be owed any duty. They almost give you a chance to see if you like the lifestyle and what they have to offer or not. I still don't understand how they were able to pull the kid back from football if they made the rule in May, the NFL draft happened in April. It seems shady from that perspective, they put on a big show, TV ratings, talk about the kid, etc and probably told players before they entered that if they get drafted they could leave, to change it mid stream like that and not grandfather them in is somewhat deceiving and not fair in my opinion. But you can't argue with the Gov't.
cplz -- great information. thanks, and as an aside hats of to your son for even electing to attend an academy. Not matter what his decision will be, i think it took stones to even do it in the first place. I've met many an individual who have gone throught these institutions and can say we are a better land for their efforts. If my boy were to follow the same track, i'd be honored as you must be.
DM
No scholarships are guaranteed be they academic or athletic---are you aware of that Mister in a LAdies Dress (ThAT still disturbs me)?
Did perhaps your son get cut in the frosh year?
Yes many are weeded out for various reasons many havibng to do with off field situations
No scholarships are guaranteed be they academic or athletic---are you aware of that Mister in a LAdies Dress (ThAT still disturbs me)?
Did perhaps your son get cut in the frosh year?
Yes many are weeded out for various reasons many havibng to do with off field situations