Quality of ML Umpiring

Such a shame, you talk so much and yet, don't listen. Not even to yourself.

"The [coaches] who have no idea regarding the process of [umpiring] but think that they have all the answers."

I did change a couple of words just to illustrate the same meaning. Guess where I got this quote from. Hmmmmmmm. Does it look familiar? I would hope so. YOU wrote it.

With that last post alone, talk about double talking.

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I am trying to make the Men in Blue sound better

BULL!!!

Mr Umpire

Before you deride me you had better look in the mirror

This forum is like the field--the umpire never loses, at least in his mind

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Mr Umpire

Before you deride me you had better look in the mirror

This forum is like the field--the umpire never loses, at least in his mind

OK. Point out my double talking. Since we are on that subject, tell me where I double talked. It is all in writing and not edited. It isn't there but you can try.

Now, I know why Jimmy has his nickname for you. Time to close the thread. It has deteriorated.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Mr Umpire

At my age I am what i am--I am not looking to make myself sound better---I am trying to make the Men in Blue sound better---all you guys do is double talk to explain yourself

As cowboy Ron would say: There you go, again.

1. You arrogantly lump all umpires together with universal accusations.

2. You confuse identifying "why a mistake was made" with defending the mistake.

3. You have a terrible memory.

PIAA, MTS, DASH and most other umpire who post here are among the first to point out mistakes by ML umpires and by umpires who come here and post action they have taken that was incorrect. But, as trainers and umpires we usually try to discover why the mistake was made. It helps us avoid a similar mistake.

Think of it in terms of coaching. Do you just yell at players who screw up, or do you tell them what they did that caused the screw up. If you do the former, you a worse coach than anyone here has ever accused you of being.

Jimmy

Does making a mistake mean you are wrong?

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy

Does making a mistake mean you are wrong?

A. Depends on who's judging whether or not a mistake was made. If you're the judge, maybe yes, maybe no.

B. Really making a mistake means you did something wrong which then led to being wrong. There is always a reason for a "mistake". This doesn't change the mistake, but it can explain it.

Since this is a thread on MLB umpiring I have to comment on the great position 1B ump was last night on the Gardner slide at 1B. Even on the first look I swore he got the bag and beat the throw but on further even slower motion you can see where he missed the bag with his hand. This call was made splt second-fast action and included a small collision as well but the ump was right there perfectly positioned on one knee and had a great view. Unfortunately this isn't as heralded as when they miss a call, just the way it goes.

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Originally posted by fillsfan:
Jimmy, How do you explain, or what do you attribute, the in or your face and more confrontational umpires of today as opposed to years ago. Is this an accurate assessment or is this also overblown.

Want to see confrontation by an Umpire? Watch this from the 69 WS. Listen closely around 18-19 second mark. You can clearly hear HPU Shag Crawford yell to Earl Weaver "You shut your God **** mouth" he then walks to the O's dugout, Weaver comes out and gets run. I believe it was the first ejection of a manager in a WS game.
You dont see things like this from Umpires much anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfxt_A-eBOw

Good clip. Welcome to the board from a fellow Marylander. What part are you from?

agreed...earl met his match in Shag....

good clip and welcome to the board!

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy

Does making a mistake mean you are wrong?

I would say no to this question. If the umpire does everything correct then smokes a call, that makes him incorrect. If he doesn't do what he was trained to do and goes to an incorrect location or blows a coverage then he is wrong.
Equate it to an infielder fielding a grounder and then makes a bad throw. He wasn't wrong, he just didn't execute properly. Halliday not running on the bunt the other night was wrong, he knows to run until the umpire says foul. They should have gotten a double play but the F5 couldn't find the base, that's incorrect execution. If Halliday had run, he likely would have been in the way of the throw and prevented the throw completely.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy

Does making a mistake mean you are wrong?

I would say no to this question. If the umpire does everything correct then smokes a call, that makes him incorrect. If he doesn't do what he was trained to do and goes to an incorrect location or blows a coverage then he is wrong.
Equate it to an infielder fielding a grounder and then makes a bad throw. He wasn't wrong, he just didn't execute properly. Halliday not running on the bunt the other night was wrong, he knows to run until the umpire says foul. They should have gotten a double play but the F5 couldn't find the base, that's incorrect execution. If Halliday had run, he likely would have been in the way of the throw and prevented the throw completely.

Except he (like everyone else but home plate umpire) knew the ball was foul....didn't think it was foul....knew it was foul.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Good clip. Welcome to the board from a fellow Marylander. What part are you from?

Anne Arundel Co.

Here's another. I'm sure most have seen this before, but it's a great chuckle no matter how many times I watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Yagc&feature=related