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That's TRUE teamwork!!!!! 
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An interesting question might be, and I don't wish to open a can of worms here... but....
Would this ever happen in a boys game?
cadDAD
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An interesting question might be, and I don't wish to open a can of worms here... but....
Would this ever happen in a boys game?
cadDAD
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Academy Dad
I would venture to say NO !!!!
I would venture to say NO !!!!
That is the ulitimate act of sportsmanship. Yet another reason girls rule and will inherit the earth sooner or later.
Cadad, I'd ask my kid, but his answer would be similar to Col. Nathan Jessup's "I'll rip out your eys and p*** in your dead skull!"
Cadad, I'd ask my kid, but his answer would be similar to Col. Nathan Jessup's "I'll rip out your eys and p*** in your dead skull!"
In a boys game it would have been "Tough break, sucker." I've coached softball and baseball. The girls are different. They stick together. When you chew out a baseball player the other players stay off in the distance happy it's not them. When you chew out a softball player you tick off the entire team.quote:Would this ever happen in a boys game?
Holtman is the senior first baseman for the opposing team who suggested that she and her teammate carry the injured batter around the bases.quote:"In the end, it is not about winning and losing so much," Holtman said. "It was about this girl. She hit it over the fence and was in pain and she deserved a home run. . . .
Mallory Holtman is a young woman on a team, Central Washington, who absolutely have their priorities straight. In the end, it is not about winning and losing so much. It is about being a human being. I forgot who has the tag-line--"Do unto others as they would do unto you"... What a shame that the question--if it would happen in a boys game--would even be asked.
This is one of the most inspirational and heart-warming stories. Although the win by Western Oregon (because of the homerun) ended Central Washington's season, they walked off the field winners. Because "in the end, it is not about winning and losing so much." Rob, thanks for posting this story. I love a good cry!
By the way, "Mallory Holtman is scheduled for arthroscopic surgery on both knees on June 7."
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Both eyes welled up Rob...couldn't help it.
We have two sons who are baseball players and two daughters who are softball players. There are distinct differences between our boys and our girls...no question.
RJM mentioned some of these differences in his post, but make no mistake, there is no difference in the level of competitiveness. Girls are every bit as competitive as the boys. They are.
Looking at the big picture, and this is what Dad04 was most likely alluding to, the girls show more compassion given the circumstance. Those very admirable players from Central Washington easily placed themselves in the Western Oregon player's shoes (cleats). Truly they were abiding by the Golden Rule. Is there a higher standard that all of us would wish our sons or daughters to strive for?
If anyone wants to liken this to a battle in a war that is fine...just remember that battles are fought and wars are waged for a reason. The expectation is that once the battles are over and the war concluded the situation between the combatants is clarified. One team must win. The Western Oregon player had delivered a crushing blow and the Central Washington team knew and respected that...even with their season on the line.
The Central Washington players had the good sense to just cut to the chase. They watched as their pitcher battled and the Western Oregon player smacked a legitimate clutch hit over the wall. Official decisions were made on the field and I'm certain if the only option that was left for the Western Oregon batter to score was for her to drag her body slowly and in agony around the base paths then this is what she would have done. She is a competitor. That may have made for an even more dramatic story.
The Central Washington players knew this and spared the Western Oregon batter the pain, agony, and risk of further damage to her knee. As it turns out, after further research, a substitute runner would have officially been permitted. My guess is a similar rule exists for baseball...if for no other reason than to prevent a player from doing further damage to an already injured body.
There were several more innings to play in the game and both teams had opportunities to win...what the Central Washington players did was absolutely the right and decent thing to do. I'm inspired by their actions.
We have two sons who are baseball players and two daughters who are softball players. There are distinct differences between our boys and our girls...no question.
RJM mentioned some of these differences in his post, but make no mistake, there is no difference in the level of competitiveness. Girls are every bit as competitive as the boys. They are.
Looking at the big picture, and this is what Dad04 was most likely alluding to, the girls show more compassion given the circumstance. Those very admirable players from Central Washington easily placed themselves in the Western Oregon player's shoes (cleats). Truly they were abiding by the Golden Rule. Is there a higher standard that all of us would wish our sons or daughters to strive for?
If anyone wants to liken this to a battle in a war that is fine...just remember that battles are fought and wars are waged for a reason. The expectation is that once the battles are over and the war concluded the situation between the combatants is clarified. One team must win. The Western Oregon player had delivered a crushing blow and the Central Washington team knew and respected that...even with their season on the line.
The Central Washington players had the good sense to just cut to the chase. They watched as their pitcher battled and the Western Oregon player smacked a legitimate clutch hit over the wall. Official decisions were made on the field and I'm certain if the only option that was left for the Western Oregon batter to score was for her to drag her body slowly and in agony around the base paths then this is what she would have done. She is a competitor. That may have made for an even more dramatic story.
The Central Washington players knew this and spared the Western Oregon batter the pain, agony, and risk of further damage to her knee. As it turns out, after further research, a substitute runner would have officially been permitted. My guess is a similar rule exists for baseball...if for no other reason than to prevent a player from doing further damage to an already injured body.
There were several more innings to play in the game and both teams had opportunities to win...what the Central Washington players did was absolutely the right and decent thing to do. I'm inspired by their actions.
As a followup, local colunmist wrote on the question of whether a mens' team would have done the same thing.
I'm not sure how much I agree with his characterization, but it is interesting. This guy also does a radio show on the same station my show is on, and he and I have tangled in the past.
I'm not sure how much I agree with his characterization, but it is interesting. This guy also does a radio show on the same station my show is on, and he and I have tangled in the past.
Rob:
Thanks for posting both articles...
Given my son's injury this season, it certainly struck close to home - and I am not ashamed to say brought tears to my eyes...
I think there is no way boys do the same thing - no one from the opposing team has ever asked how 08son is doing... even though rival coach was 08son's coach last year...
Thanks for posting both articles...
Given my son's injury this season, it certainly struck close to home - and I am not ashamed to say brought tears to my eyes...
I think there is no way boys do the same thing - no one from the opposing team has ever asked how 08son is doing... even though rival coach was 08son's coach last year...
That's sad 08Dad.
The same happened to our oldest son in seventh grade football. It would have done wonders for his morale if one of the several coaches, just once during the course of the season, would have put his arm around my son's shoulder and said something like "I know how frustrating this must be to sit on the sideline all year...get yourself healed up for next year".
He decided to play fall ball the following year...no more football.
The same happened to our oldest son in seventh grade football. It would have done wonders for his morale if one of the several coaches, just once during the course of the season, would have put his arm around my son's shoulder and said something like "I know how frustrating this must be to sit on the sideline all year...get yourself healed up for next year".
He decided to play fall ball the following year...no more football.
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Woody.... with all due respect, I think you have missed the point... even if EVER SO SLIGHTLY. You and I are friends, so please PM me if you don't get my drift.
What happened to your son is just plain.... classless. What you have painted is a picture where his own coaches didn't have the class to "pick him up". That's a million miles different from a member of the other team "picking him up".
I was truly afraid to even raise the "question" on Page 1 of this thread, so I'm glad to see even the media thought "the thought". To be clear, I thought the story incredibly touching, but I just could never see it happen in an all male environment. At Bucknell a couple of weekends ago, Navy played on a field virtually back-to-back with a girl's Varsity softball game. And it was apparent, just from the "bench singing" going on with the girl's game, that even though the games were "similar" in so many respects... well as a recent book pointed out... it was like Venus and Mars.
And my question was just that... a question. I still don't think I've formulated an opinion on whether the fact that the girl's show compassion and the boy's "appear ruthless" is a good or a bad thing. Should seem quite obvious for civilized people, but quite honestly, it's not. I just know that in the real world of 9-5, you'd better be able to play the ways the boys do... at least for a long time.
Blue skies & calm seas...
cadDAD
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Woody.... with all due respect, I think you have missed the point... even if EVER SO SLIGHTLY. You and I are friends, so please PM me if you don't get my drift.
What happened to your son is just plain.... classless. What you have painted is a picture where his own coaches didn't have the class to "pick him up". That's a million miles different from a member of the other team "picking him up".
I was truly afraid to even raise the "question" on Page 1 of this thread, so I'm glad to see even the media thought "the thought". To be clear, I thought the story incredibly touching, but I just could never see it happen in an all male environment. At Bucknell a couple of weekends ago, Navy played on a field virtually back-to-back with a girl's Varsity softball game. And it was apparent, just from the "bench singing" going on with the girl's game, that even though the games were "similar" in so many respects... well as a recent book pointed out... it was like Venus and Mars.
And my question was just that... a question. I still don't think I've formulated an opinion on whether the fact that the girl's show compassion and the boy's "appear ruthless" is a good or a bad thing. Should seem quite obvious for civilized people, but quite honestly, it's not. I just know that in the real world of 9-5, you'd better be able to play the ways the boys do... at least for a long time.
Blue skies & calm seas...
cadDAD
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" ... try to find a case of a female athlete trying to cheat the system." - from the second article
Marion Jones
Rosie Ruiz
Tonya Harding
Rene Richards
East German Olympic athletes
USSR Olympic athletes
These came to mind without thinking
Marion Jones
Rosie Ruiz
Tonya Harding
Rene Richards
East German Olympic athletes
USSR Olympic athletes
These came to mind without thinking
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I didn't miss your point cadDAD. My comment concerning my son and his football coaches was merely a response to 08Dad son's situation. I wasn't even considering your initial question when responding.
There are definite differences between boys and girls when it comes to sports, but it is my experience that the girls can be just as competitive as the boys...not against each other, but on their respective teams.
I just finished reading the column. I'm in agreement with you. What the Central Washington softball players accomplished would probably never be accomplished by a men's baseball team.
And RJM...your list confirms my point. Women can be just as driven and competitive as the men.
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I didn't miss your point cadDAD. My comment concerning my son and his football coaches was merely a response to 08Dad son's situation. I wasn't even considering your initial question when responding.
There are definite differences between boys and girls when it comes to sports, but it is my experience that the girls can be just as competitive as the boys...not against each other, but on their respective teams.
I just finished reading the column. I'm in agreement with you. What the Central Washington softball players accomplished would probably never be accomplished by a men's baseball team.
And RJM...your list confirms my point. Women can be just as driven and competitive as the men.
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Personally - I think it is ridiculous that the player had to go through that in the first place.
She smashed the ball over the fence - its a home run.
She obviously couldnt run around the bases because of her injury - but the ******* ball is in the parking lot.
What kind of moronic ruling would require her to touch all the bases - when her knee is in pieces - and the ball is lodged in someones windshield.
Idiotic. IMO.
Teammates did do a nice thing though - IMO.
She smashed the ball over the fence - its a home run.
She obviously couldnt run around the bases because of her injury - but the ******* ball is in the parking lot.
What kind of moronic ruling would require her to touch all the bases - when her knee is in pieces - and the ball is lodged in someones windshield.
Idiotic. IMO.
Teammates did do a nice thing though - IMO.
It was the oppostion who took her around the bases. If her teammates advance her she's out. If the opposition touches her the only call could be obstruction. But they weren't obstructing. They were helping. But she could have legally had a pinch runner.quote:Teammates did do a nice thing though
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It's...
I do agree with you that a ball hit over the outfield fence should somehow be "a confirming factor". I once spoke with a D1 Umpire who told me that when a kid hits one out, he turns away so as not to be able to make a judgement call if by chance the kid misses, say second base, when rounding the bags.
Some would say that could never be morally called, but it happened in the WWBA Finals a few years ago between our Norcal U18 team and the local East Cobb team. In the bottom of the 9th a kid hits a walk-off, runs the bases, in the celebration clearly misses home and they call him out and Norcal took home the trophy. Or maybe it was the semi-finals... I can't remember the name of that memory disease either... but I do remember the call, and the pursuant tyrade thrown by the overwhelmingly partison home East Cobb crowd.
We all sat there like deer in the headlights...
cadDAD
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It's...
I do agree with you that a ball hit over the outfield fence should somehow be "a confirming factor". I once spoke with a D1 Umpire who told me that when a kid hits one out, he turns away so as not to be able to make a judgement call if by chance the kid misses, say second base, when rounding the bags.
Some would say that could never be morally called, but it happened in the WWBA Finals a few years ago between our Norcal U18 team and the local East Cobb team. In the bottom of the 9th a kid hits a walk-off, runs the bases, in the celebration clearly misses home and they call him out and Norcal took home the trophy. Or maybe it was the semi-finals... I can't remember the name of that memory disease either... but I do remember the call, and the pursuant tyrade thrown by the overwhelmingly partison home East Cobb crowd.
We all sat there like deer in the headlights...
cadDAD
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quote:Originally posted by RJM:It was the oppostion who took her around the bases. If her teammates advance her she's out. If the opposition touches her the only call could be obstruction. But they weren't obstructing. They were helping. But she could have legally had a pinch runner.quote:Teammates did do a nice thing though
Oops - sorry - missed that (as usual - LOL) still a nice thing to do - IMO
Its a home run - and her knee is ****** up - what exactly is the point of making her go around the bases?
As I said before - the ball is stuck in a car windshield over the centerfield fence. Its a home run.
I dont care what the umpire - or the scorekeeper - or anyone else says.
They can call it whatever they want to.
It wont change the fact that the she hit a home run.
It is in the game. And it also requires some common ******* sense.
quote:There are distinct differences between our boys and our girls...no question.
An excellent observation...............
FO,
I am sure that is true. - Not really something I ever thought about - probably because I didnt have any daughters.
My personal view (probably better for a seperate topic) - as it regards boys/girls/men/women - in sports is pretty simple.
If we are playing football - my job was to make sure you didnt catch the ball - and if you did - my job was to try as best I could to make you pay for catching the ball. It didnt matter if you were a girl - a boy - or a donkey.
Same with boxing - my objective was to knock you out. Who you were - or what you were - didnt matter much - I just wanted to focus on knocking you out.
I never really understood the guys/girls things in sports.
Sometimes - I do think that guys that beef about it arent very secure or confident in their abilities.
Just my opinion - but on the sports field - any sport - my goal was to win - and to make you lose - regardless of what species you were LOL
P.S. And after the event - win or lose - shake your hand for a well contested match hopefully.
Sorry for the rant.
I am sure that is true. - Not really something I ever thought about - probably because I didnt have any daughters.
My personal view (probably better for a seperate topic) - as it regards boys/girls/men/women - in sports is pretty simple.
If we are playing football - my job was to make sure you didnt catch the ball - and if you did - my job was to try as best I could to make you pay for catching the ball. It didnt matter if you were a girl - a boy - or a donkey.
Same with boxing - my objective was to knock you out. Who you were - or what you were - didnt matter much - I just wanted to focus on knocking you out.
I never really understood the guys/girls things in sports.
Sometimes - I do think that guys that beef about it arent very secure or confident in their abilities.
Just my opinion - but on the sports field - any sport - my goal was to win - and to make you lose - regardless of what species you were LOL
P.S. And after the event - win or lose - shake your hand for a well contested match hopefully.
Sorry for the rant.
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As you know we have two of each model. And back years ago when I was called upon to change their diapers you would suspect it was then that I could clearly tell of some of the more obvious differences between them.
Your suspicions would be wrong...I changed them all with eyes closed and nose plugged!
quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:
An excellent observation...............
As you know we have two of each model. And back years ago when I was called upon to change their diapers you would suspect it was then that I could clearly tell of some of the more obvious differences between them.
Your suspicions would be wrong...I changed them all with eyes closed and nose plugged!