Recruiting Class Size

I was thinking the same thing as lafmom.

If you go to a DI you can transfer out at Christmas and go to a juco (NAIA).

And it may be possible to receive a release to another DI, as long as it is not in the same conference as the DI you are leaving.

I'm talking about FROSH......

did you guys read my last post....

LOW - the two players that I speak of - one was a freshman (the DI player). The other one was older - was a sophomore. I don't think being a freshman compared to an older student makes a difference in transferring out. What rule is it that you're referring to?

In D-1 you have one transfer with no sitting out--- provided there are no extenuating circumstances

I'll get back w/ you guys on this....I'm going fishing....

quote:

Posted July 24, 2006 08:28 AM
I agree with lafmom here. One of our players was given his release at mid-year last year; and he was available to play for his new Division I program as soon as the second semester began.

Prepster and everyone else, I am talking about FRESHMAN.

PLEASE READ:
Go back and look at the posts again. Lafmom commented on tranferring at the break and I made note on FRESHMAN transferring at the break (of their freshman year obviously).

I then commented that you need to establish a year of residency before that can happen.

So OF COURSE a Soph, Jr, Sr can trasfer at the break. No one here ever said they couldn't.

Again I just commented on the Freshman not being able to trasfer AND, notice I said AND be eligible that spring.

If you still don't believe me call your local baseball coach or compliance officer. And yes perhaps it is possible to transfer to from NCAA Div-I or II TO an NAIA at the break of your Freshman year and be eligible in the spring but I doubt it.

Please read the posts carefully and completely.

I guess the fish were not biting !!!

After that rebuke, I'm not altogether clear why I'm still trying to be a Good Samaritan here (along with others); but, here's a link to the NCAA's guide for transfers, which is called "Transfer 101."

"Transfer 101"

You should read it more thoroughly than I; but, after skimming it, I see no prohibition against FRESHMEN from transferring.

Best of luck.

I know 3 or 4 FRESHMAN that left different D1's after fall semester and played Juco in the spring. Happens all the time.

LOL Prepster - I had the same thoughts. I KNOW freshman can transfer at Christmas. I know several that have done it.

TR,

Fishing was OK....small stripers and white bass....

I did a little more research and made some phone calls.....

**Freshman transferring at the break to the following:

1. JUCO - possibly eligible right away. Not 100% sure.
2. Other Div-I, II or III (must establish a year of residency) not eligible that spring.

Again I was not questioning if a kid could transfer or not. I only questioned if could participate (be eligible) that spring.

Prep

Isnt it fun when you try to help and get kicked in the shins or higher

I know I listen to you

LOW

How small were the stripers?

What lures were you using?

TR,



Used 1/4 to 1/2 oz jigs....
10 - 12 inch stripers...White Bass a little smaller.

At fosil bed below overflow/dam on Ohio River / Louisville, KY....but I'm on the Indiana side....or as we like to call it the sunny side of the River....

Oh well back to business:

From the NCAA Manual:
Chapter 14 Eligibilty
14.5.5.1 Pg 177 of the manual

General Rule:
A transfer student from a four-year institution shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition at a member institution until the student has fulfilled a residence requirement of one full academic year (2 full semesters, 3 full quarters) at the certifying institution. Further, a transfer student-athlete admitted after the 12th class day may not use that semester or quarter for the purpose of establishing residencey (Revised 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)

What does this mean?

LOW - When I stated in my original post, I said a smaller school or a JUCO. I guess I should have defined what I was thinking when I stated smaller school and perhaps this confusion wouldn't still be going on today. A "member institution" does not include JUCOs and NAIA schools. Kids transfer to JUCO and NAIA all the time at Christmas and as freshman and are eligible to play. They do not recognize NCAA regs. Again, I know several that have done so.

I will say that I'm surprised that you couldn't go from a DI after 1st semester and be eligible. However, it's more complicated period transferring from a NCAA school, so I suppose it shouldn't be a shock.

Lafmom,

I'm not surprised at anything the NCAA does....

I started having flashbacks while looking through NCAA Manual.....yuk!

Were are clear now.

As a group we learned that you can transfer at the break of your Frosh year and be eligible the spring semester at:

* A Junior College (provided you have 12 sem hrs w/ a 1.75) I made a phone call.

* An NAIA School (because there are no rules in NAIA) LOL I'm just joking...easy....easy...

We also learned that if you transfer at the break your Frosh year, from an NCAA school to another NCAA school you will NOT be eligible in the spring of that school year......

WHEW!!!!

quote:

LOW

How small were the stripers?

TR,

Couldn't you have found it in your heart to ask me "HOW BIG were the stripers?"....Not "how small"......

LOL.....

But they sure were small.....

LOW

you used the term small not me

I did didn't I.....d**n.....

Oh well.....

If one transfers within conference, do they have to sit? Regardless of year?

quote:

If one transfers within conference, do they have to sit? Regardless of year?

Please correct me, but I think that's between the player and his former school. The release lists where you cannot go, regardless of conference. I don't think the NCAA stipulates conference in baseball transfer rules.

Class size varies greatly

here is a link to approx 145 schools and their early sigining for this past November signing.

2007 Early Signees

As stated by others there are some schools that sign a bunch and you never hear from them again. There are others who sign a bunch and 2 or 3 get drafted, 1 might not be able to get in, and another might be injured. This doesn't take into account your current roster where someone gets drafted that you weren't planning on leaving, plus injuries, plus leave school for numerous reasons.

You do need to be aware of the school and sometimes its hard but do some research look at prior years and siging classes and roster and look for roster turnover for kids who where Frosh and Sophs who aren'y on roster the next year.

IMO it is important that roster size and turnover is discussed with coach at the apporopriate time, and let him tell you the in's and outs of his program.

Transferring within the Southeastern Conference


Rule 14.5.5.1

I am not sure I am reading this correctly, but does this mean you would have to sit out a year if you transfer within this conference?

I didn't take time to read your link, but I can tell you that intra-conference transfers within the SEC do sit a year.

That wasn't always the case.

I guess schools and conferences have the option of taking the NCAA minimum guidelines and making them more restrictive. Unless the school's release prohibits it with respect to specific schools, I'm not aware of any restrictions on an SEC player electing to transfer out of the conference.

Quote: "intra-conference transfers within the SEC do sit a year."

Bizazz,

Thank you.

Just got off the phone with "Allison" of the NCAA. Rule 14.5.5.1 is the "General" rule regarding transfers.

Rule 14.5.5.2.10 is the "exception" to this general rule which allows transfers for certain sports including baseball.

There is NO rule requiring freshmen to sit out a year and indeed may transfer after the first semester and play baseball the second semester of the same year as long as they are "full" qualifiers.

According to "Allison" the only way a person in an "exception" sport would not be eligible is if the sport spanned both semesters and the student was on the team.(cannot transfer in middle of season).

This is D1 to D1. And naturally the athlete has to get a release to transfer.

I specifically asked about baseball and she said the class year makes no difference. However, if anyone is considering
a transfer I would suggest calling the NCAA and verifying it for themselves.

Very nice job, Moc.

That's consistent with my reading of the "Transfer 101" piece.

Hope you get thanked for the effort instead of "called down."

Moc1,

Thanks!!!!

I really appreciate you going to the trouble to find that info out.

Edited:

I think I may have taken this thread off topic some. So, I will just add if you are changing schools from one SEC school to another SEC school you may want to check-out not only the "NCAA rules" but the "Southeastern Conference rules", also.

Thanks Moc! I thought that just didn't make good sense to me!

A good reminder for folks that the NCAA rules can be confusing and one should always check them out directly with the NCAA!

I called several schools last fall (DIs) regarding a question I had about JUCO players. I received probably three different answers with one DI giving me a completely incorrect answer (and it came from their compliance director).

Thanks again Moc!

What happens if I change my mind about attending the institution with which I signed, and I want to attend another National Letter of Intent institution instead?

If you do not attend the institution with which you signed, or if you do not fulfill the terms of the National Letter of Intent, the basic penalty is that you lose one year of eligibility in all sports and must serve one year in residence at your next National Letter of Intent institution.



The above is from www.national-letter.org
FAQ section.


Great job MOC....!!!

AND....From the same site.


What is a year in residence?

As defined by the NCAA, a year in residence is the two semesters or three quarters a student is required to sit out from competition. The National Letter of Intent program requires students who do not attend the institution with which they signed, or who attend that school for less than one academic year, to serve one year in residence at the next NLI member institution before being able to represent the second school in intercollegiate athletics competition.

And please note that to fulfill the terms of the NLI the student-athlete must attend that institution for one academic year.

quote:

Originally posted by LOW337:
And please note that to fulfill the terms of the NLI the student-athlete must attend that institution for one academic year.

Not if released.

Thanks Moc! Hope all is well with son!

Anyone with transfer questions, call the NCAA.

quote:

Originally posted by LOW337:
And please note that to fulfill the terms of the NLI the student-athlete must attend that institution for one academic year.

LOW - please - dont remind me of that. I am just recovering from that Freddy Krueger-like experience.

LOL

Sorry ItsintheGame....LOL....

But I have to....LOL


Is a complete release from the National Letter of Intent basic penalty the same as the One-Time Transfer Exception as set forth in NCAA Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10?


No. The NLI complete release and the NCAA One-Time Transfer Exception are two different policies. Pursuant to NCAA Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10 (One-Time Transfer Exception), a student-athlete who has not previously transferred from a four-year institution and does not participate in the sports of Division I basketball, Division I-A football or Division I men's ice hockey, may transfer and not have to serve a year in residence under NCAA rules. The fact that a student is eligible for the NCAA One-Time Transfer Exception does not mean a student-athlete has received a complete release pursuant to the National Letter of Intent program, nor does being granted the NCAA One-Time Transfer Exception eliminate the penalty provisions of the National Letter of Intent.

The National Letter of Intent complete release is a specific decision made by a member of the National Letter of Intent program through the NLI Release Request Form. If you have any questions about NCAA transfer and eligibility regulations, please contact the NCAA at (317) 917-6222.


The NLI is run by the Collegiate Commissioners Association (CCA).

play hard and make the team...............or transfer.............

only as good as the next at bat, or for pitchers, the next outing......

Darwin!!

Oldslugger8,

I hear ya.....get it right the first time and by all means DO NOT TRANSFER.......LOL

Yes - if all goes wrong and you find yourself in hell - just stay there and suffer.

How about this - if you get skunked - go somewhere else and kick ***.

I like that one better.

LOL

I like the way you look at things Itsgamer........a little on the dark side.....refreshing.......LOL

LOW,

IMO
Every player owes it to himself to put himself into a position to get a fair shake.

Sometimes it doesnt happen right away. But I think if you love the game - you have to get yourself in that position.

If you fail - so be it.

But just rotting away somewhere - for any multitude of reasons in college baseball - isnt the way to go. IMO.

Gamer,

Common sense is great thing isn't it?

I agree, it's a no brainer.....