Repost about High School Baseball Coach lack of interest

MLR,

Why did you feel the necessity to repost this same topic?

Your other post says exactly the same thing...



Just a suggestion. Why dont you go back to your other post, open it, and you have the option of deleting it.

You need to take charge of your own destiny and create your own opportunities for learning, skill development and growth.

HS baseball is where you get to play, not the sole source for development. Probably in 95% of the cases not the primary source for development.

I reposted because I did not see any replies. I then considered that my location, Saudi Arabia, might have turned some off. I used to live there and coached my son and team for Transatlantic in the Little League World Series in 2004 and 2005. Now live in Oregon and following son in HS baseball

MLR,
This is not a new concept, high school coaches not knowing the game that well or not caring. Think of the high school season more as a practice, after having practice have your son hit and long toss on his own. The more important thing is that your son is ready for his travel season in the summer and that he is in mid season form for that.

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This is not a new concept, high school coaches not knowing the game that well or not caring.

Wow.. nice shot there...

Bulldog

If you are going to coach , you better get used to the "shots"--they never stop--even when you win

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If you are going to coach , you better get used to the "shots"--they never stop--even when you win

I'm not going to coach; at least not for a living. That is just one of the reasons..

Gee.. I sure wonder how people survived when high school sports were "it" when it came to recruiting.. I mean with all these dumb coaches and all...

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I sure wonder how people survived when high school sports were "it" when it came to recruiting.. I mean with all these dumb coaches and all

Some raw talent didn't get developed and therefore overlooked. No one said all coaches don't know what they're doing. But there are enough bad ones to go around. My high school baseball coach couldn't make enough mistakes to lose with all the talent he has at his disposal in a very large high school. He was eventually elected to the state baseball Hall of Fame for winning so many games.

Who is responsible for developing the player. The player 8 months out of the year or a hs coach four months out of the year? A hs coach is trying to put a team on the field and spending much of his time working on team aspects of the game in a limited amount of time. A player has all year to develop his game. And now he wants the hs coach to do it?

There are not so good coaches and there are good coaches. But coaches do not make players. Players make players.

Quite b*tching about what someone else needs to do to make you a player and step up and make yourself a player.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
Who is responsible for developing the player. The player 8 months out of the year or a hs coach four months out of the year? A hs coach is trying to put a team on the field and spending much of his time working on team aspects of the game in a limited amount of time. A player has all year to develop his game. And now he wants the hs coach to do it?

There are not so good coaches and there are good coaches. But coaches do not make players. Players make players.

Quite b*tching about what someone else needs to do to make you a player and step up and make yourself a player.

Not so much about my son. He made All State and is a Jr this year, but I see the sore arms on the pitching staff because they are over pitched and are not worked out during the week. My son is well aware of pitch count and therefore he does not let them abuse him

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but I see the sore arms on the pitching staff because they are over pitched and are not worked out during the week.

So he overworks them and then you say he doesn't throw them enough during the week. Could you clarify what all this means? If I got a pitcher with a sore arm I either shut them down or limit what / how much they throw based on the severity of the soreness. I'm just not understanding how you can have a sore arm from over pitched but not throw enough during the week.

Coach May - well said....very well said.

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Originally posted by coach2709:

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but I see the sore arms on the pitching staff because they are over pitched and are not worked out during the week.

So he overworks them and then you say he doesn't throw them enough during the week. Could you clarify what all this means? If I got a pitcher with a sore arm I either shut them down or limit what / how much they throw based on the severity of the soreness. I'm just not understanding how you can have a sore arm from over pitched but not throw enough during the week.

Coach May - well said....very well said.

I'm sure he means the pitchers are over-extended during the games and do nothing during the week.

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Originally posted by coach2709:

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but I see the sore arms on the pitching staff because they are over pitched and are not worked out during the week.

So he overworks them and then you say he doesn't throw them enough during the week. Could you clarify what all this means? If I got a pitcher with a sore arm I either shut them down or limit what / how much they throw based on the severity of the soreness. I'm just not understanding how you can have a sore arm from over pitched but not throw enough during the week.

Coach May - well said....very well said.

How about this. My son was All State as a freshman. I was overseas and trusted they knew what they were doing. I read posts about them abusing his arm. Was told he pitched 142 pitches in a playoff game. He lost his sophomore year due to tommy john surgery. He is back now and seems to be fully recovered.

He is still being looked at by D1 colleges because he was hitting 89 as a freshman and they are waiting to see how he recovers.

New pitchers on the team do not practice during the week. Nothing Nada. First game out for a sophomore pitcher in 35 degree weather and he threw over 110 pitches.
Next sophomore first game out in relief throws 60 pitches and 32 are curve balls.

We have 4 kids with sore arms.

Is that clear enough

Yes that clears it up quite a bit. Educate yourself. Educate your son. Educate those around you.

"Coach my arm is sore I can not go today."
"Coach I need to do ___________."
"Coach I need to do ___________."

No one can make you do anything you KNOW is wrong. You have to make choices. If the coach is putting kids arms , ie health at risk by doing things or not doing things that should be or shouldn't be done then the players have to step up. If that does not work then the parent or parents have to step up.

What else can anyone offer MLR?

My son knows what to do and when he was asked to relieve after starting 2 days before he said no. My main concern is that most parents do not know enough about pitching and they trust the coaches.

I do not want to see any kid and parent go through what we went through.

My son worked his butt off for a solid year. He was operated on by Dr Lewis Yocum. So we are confident that he got the best.
Other kids may not have that opportunity

We had a high school coach who didn't have the kids throw bullpens more than once or twice in the season. While I listened to the other pitcher's parents complain, I simply had my two sons throw at home three times a week after practice. Sometimes you just have to take matters into your own hands.

Problem is that my son is a very good student. He gets home from practice at 6 pm and is usually doing homework until 9 or 10 pm everynight. He gets up early in the morning and either lifts weights or goes to school to discuss and problem he might have.

I am not worried about him. I want to make sure no other kid has to go through what he went through.

I guess its 2 late now because they already have sore arms and need to rest. But the pitchers have to just long toss for 10 -15 min after practice. Thats good enough instead of bull pen, unless they have control problems. But presently talk to other pitcher's parents and see if they notice soreness of the arm with their kids. and goto the coach as a unit.

Thanks for the support.

Control problems is the No 1 issue. Team 65 innings pitched, 77 walks and 9 hit batters. The pitching coach one suggestion to the kids is throw strikes.

Many parents over the past 5 years at least have gone to them one on one and get ignored. Myself and a few others who care are trying to organize ourselves as a unit to address the situation. We are being met by some resistance from the status quo and one cro magnum supporter of the coaching staff.


Long toss has been suggested as well as running, etc but to no avail