Robert Stock

How would you like to see this determined face while getting ready to try and catch up with a mid 90s FB. Shep surrenders!!!!!!! RS wins!!!!

Just kidding but glad I didn't have to get past him when in HS to get to next level. Might not be sitting here typing this message today.....

All kidding aside though, this 2007 RHP/Catcher
has Shep's attention and no other player since James Barthmaier of Roswell HS in 2003 has gained my attention like this player and think it would be safe to say Shep is officially on his bandwagon and look forward to watching his team's progress this season. Good Day, Shep

wha happened to the picture?

Spiz,

Should still be there, just takes a minute to load up. Be patient lad

Shep

My guess is we are probably having the same problem PG had recently-LOL

Shep

Found this picture of PROSPECT just recently  of Robert Stock.  What a great story!
BTW,this is"Soph" year photo.  Can plainly see front side is closed at this frame of the
wind-up and hitter will clearly still
see pitcher's back pocket.  Can also 
clearly see large muscle groups in
process of loading before rotational
forward delivery. Very Good example
of nice delivery at top of wind-up
by a younger Stock. Congratulations to
Robert Stock for Player of Year 
Award from Baseball America.
Well-deserved IMHO. Look forward to 
watching this real deal student-of-
the-game further progress.It seems 
like yesterday when this prospect was 
asking MLB level questions as a 12
yr.old here on this very board. 
Robert Stock took information 
and applied it to his game.I applaud 
This PLAYER !!!!!!
  Shep :>)

I think there's a security problem that is keeping us from being able to see the pictures.

Can you give us the URL of the photo in its original location (or maybe embed it in an image link) rather than copying the image to your own site.

TRY NOW Coach Chris

Your harddrive is probably past capacity

Shep

Still no joy.

Player of the Year

I think I found the two pictures you were referencing.



In the above picture, notice that the hips are reverse-rotated more than are the shoulders. This will help him develop a lot of power but also enable him to still hide the ball from the batter.




In the above picture, notice how much the hips have turned. This is assisted by having the pitching arm side leg internally rotated (knee down). The fact that his head is on the target also indicates that he is throwing more with his body than with his shoulder.

Also in this picture, his pitching forearm is completely laid back and has not yet started to fly out. The concern I have in looking at this picture is that I can't see the ball, which suggests that he may be placing too much load on his UCL and be headed for Tommy John surgery.

This would be too bad, given how hard he can throw the ball.

If I were you Chris, I wouldn't leave those comments below bottom picture about this fine young prospect.

Asking for it aren't cha

You and I both know that is the wrong thing to say about a young HS prospect who is barely 16.

Edit please are answer to Boss Lady Julie about inappropriate comments.

Come on CoachChris, would you want someone to say that about your son that you have high hopes for???? Give us a break and keep negative projections on others not in HS, please?

Shep

Thank God your reach only extends to people who read your schlock here and the little league kids you coach who are stuck with you. Tommy John surgery because your can't see the baseball in a picture from a bad angle from 100 or more feet away...Robert Stock, who I'm certain gets nothing but the finest instruction from people, who unlike you, really know pitching. You're tough to take.

Chris,
The ball is not the only thing you cannot see. Your behavior is just plain wrong. Can't say it any other way. STOP!!!!

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Come on CoachChris, would you want someone to say that about your son that you have high hopes for????

Yes.

If someone saw something that my son was doing that might increase the risk that he will experience an injury, then I would be very appreciative.

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Robert Stock, who I'm certain gets nothing but the finest instruction from people, who unlike you, really know pitching.

Let's wait a couple of years and see what happens.

Uh, Chris...did you read the poll? I don't think Stock was on the list.



...watch out for in your ear.

Coach Chris,

I believe that not only are you unqualified as an evaluator of baseball players and mechanics, but that you are somewhere on the edge of lunacy with your analysis. I cannot stress how litle respect I have for anything you say.

Robert Stock should have a wonderful and great career and we should enjoy his talent as we watch him develop, not wait and see when his elbow pops as you suggest we do.

It's entirely possible that you are a very nice man away from the disease of your baseball mind, but as a baseball guy, I don't like you.

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...watch out for in your ear.

I would hope that on this board people who threaten others are more likely to be banned than are people who are trying to help others.

CC rider BTW this is Coach Chris I am referencing as CC rider

Would estimate Julie arrival time in about 1 minute or less. Get ready

In the wait time everybody click the following to see source> http://www.chrisoleary.com/videos/MarshallPitchingMotio...ndUpSet_12312005.mov

Don't say we didn't warn you pal! BTW That wasn't perceived by any of the rest of us as a threat as you propose about the in the ear thingy. Think it was just meant you are going to hear an ear full from everybody, especially those in charge here-IMO

Shep

The guy is flat out to much, dont know whether to laugh or cry when I read "Chris Oleary's biomechanical pitching theories". Chris Oleary's new moniker "Clueless in St. Louis"! The guy is flat out just to much. Can anybody put up both motions side by side, Chris Olearys kickass mechanics and Robert Stocks? Perhaps Chris could give Robert a little help that would increase his potential.

The worst part of the whole thing is I honestly believe this guy has had some bites on his site from some very well intentioned people. So now instead of getting the Marshall law right from the sheriff himself [marshall] they get it from his faithful deputy Chris Oleary aka [barney fife].

I’ve known Robert and Gregg for a long time…I’ve watched both grow as instructor and student. And although Gregg is not an instructor with “credentials,” I would match him with the best throwing instructor anywhere. Trying to evaluate Robert without knowing his history is foolish. Trying to evaluate any thrower by a single photo is foolish. Neither Robert nor Gregg asked to be analyzed…everyone should leave it at that out of pure respect for the family, and enjoy the adventure of Robert’s career.

The video of Coach Chris attempting to illustrate MM throwing instruction is the most absurd representation of throwing I’ve ever seen for a pitcher. Plus the fact that Coach Chris states that the mechanics are incomplete, makes it even more absurd. Posting incomplete material in an attempt to have the public gravitate to the thinking of the poster is irresponsible. The mystique of injuring oneself is very powerful, and has the ability to halt the progress of an athlete. The athlete tends to play down to the level of the mystical injury without ever knowing what their personal maximum performance limit may be.

I found that its best not to indulge in mindless debate when confronted with such posters or postings…it becomes very tiresome and a waste of time.

Coach Chris…..you have no business interjecting the “fear factor” toward anyone. You have no substantial evidence to back up your statements or theories other than “let’s see what happens”….how often have I heard that. If this is the way you want to operate, then I would encourage the staff of the HSBBWEB to suspend your posting privileges immediately. You’re postings do way more harm than they do good.

I'll be the first person to admit that what I'm doing in the video looks different.

You also have to take into account that I was simply trying to illustrate Mike Marshall's arm action on a cold, wet New Years day.

However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

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Posting incomplete material in an attempt to have the public gravitate to the thinking of the poster is irresponsible.

This wasn't the point.

The point was to give people a sense of what Dr. Marshall's arm action looked like.

People are unfortunately confused by some of what Marshall says, and Paul N's efforts at spreading disinformation only make things worse.

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So now instead of getting the Marshall law right from the sheriff himself [marshall] they get it from his faithful deputy Chris Oleary aka [barney fife].

Paul,

And how many years did you pitch in the majors?

And how many records do you hold?

And how many Cy Young awards did you win?

This is Dr Chris' second attempt to use a still picture to identify problems in young pitchers. You cannot diagnose anything without watching the pitcher, knowing the pitcher, what he is throwing, bases occupieed vs empty, from windup to delivery, etc.
According to a pitching coach I know, this diagnosing is wrong and has no merit, considering tehbackground of Dr Chris and his limited experience working with pitchers.
As I have told Dr Chris, the more he posts, the more incredible he becomes.
BTW, send another still pic to Dr Chris of son, in which he could not see any problesm.

Dr Chris, did you realize that a pitche is NOT supposed to show the ball.

I fully understand what you are trying to accomplish, poor mechanics can play into a large part of pitcher injuries, along with a lot of other factors, which you are not aware of
by a pic.

By the way, didn't your mother ever tell you NOT to pitch without proper warmup on a cold NY day?

TPM,

I really think CC is a loon when it comes to even the most basic knowledge of pitching, as you are obviously aware. Mike Marshall and all that notwithstanding.

Arm injuries happen to pitchers with perfect mechanics. Pitchers with less than perfect mechanics can throw for 20 years and never have a problem. Genetics, work habits, knowledge, weather, use, and stress are all factors, as are mechanics also. To predict arm problems for a young man as CC does is vile and contradicts why most people visit this site.

Lastly, I've read about your son. I am truly looking forward to seeing him on the mound when Wake plays Clemson in 2007. Best wishes to him and to you and your family. There's nothing that can help a kid through a tough time like a great mom!

MJM

FIrst of all Coach Chris who gave you permission to even look at still pictures and go to a public board and analyze The Youth Player of the Year? You are nothing but a person who studies still photographies of pitchers and predict injuries? It's a **** shoot. You should stick with your personal website and generate a forum of your own. We all know that you are a fan of Dr. Mike Marshall, who by the way is a mockery in the pitching world, and preach his every word.

I must admit you are ruffling many feathers and making a name for yourself, in a bad way. You have turned many people away from other pitching boards and if you haven't noticed been a very popular person in this board. I knew what kind of person you were when you uploaded that video of yourself throwing in the backyard. That was the funniest thing I have ever seen!!!

Robert Stock and his dad have done something that is very astonishing for his age, something you wouldn't comprehend, and continue to raise the bar for all parents who have kids that pitch.

Please do not ruin this board like you have done to Mr. Ellis. Your name carries no weight and you are embarassing yourself along with the GREAT PITCHING GURU MIKE MARSHALL.

Just because you pitched well or hit well doesn't make you a great pitching coach.

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Originally posted by Coach Chris:

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...watch out for in your ear.

I would hope that on this board people who threaten others are more likely to be banned than are people who are trying to help others.

Or also trying to help Mike Marshall.

Baseballbum,
Thanks for the kind words and mom recognition.

I take no credit for this one. A smart pitching coach (who knows his stuff), a good trainer will be the key to his improvement.

I"m no bum!!!!

Coach Chris

Again I ask--what is your actual baseball background?

By the way--dont trip on your ego

Coach Chris,
Would you analyze me next?
signed, Richard Simmons

http://www.richardsimmons.com/join_clubhouseB.php

Sizzle,

When Richard Simmons talks about the different food groups, he moves his hands in a counter clockwise motion. This could lead to Tommy John surgery down the road.

You're welcome!

How about we get back to talking about Robert Stock?

My son, normally a pretty decent hitter, had a turn against him last summer and was (by his own admission) completely overpowered. Not just the mph, but apparently one heckuva slider. I don't know how any high school age player could prepare to bat against this guy. Who could pitch to you well enough to prepare you? Maybe an MLB team would let you take BP off one of their guys? Ha!

The funny thing is, you may not have to worry about his arm's condition. The word I get is that the boy can also HIT with the best of them, and who knows, he might end up an every day position player. A strong arm can serve you well at a lot of positions -- and I understand Stock catches when not pitching. Haven't seen him catch, but I'd bet not many succeed in stealing off of him.

Ahhh...what's up Doc?
D'ya tink yer man enough to analyze this?
Signed, Bugs
http://www.cartoon-factory.com/disney/view.cgi?ID=376650&cel=Palooka%20Pitch

Robert Stock is the real deal. He's pretty much got it all. Mid 90's FB, hit's 400'+ home runs, and great focus/determination. Not to mention a great work ethic.

I followed his progress quite a bit on the S E T P R O forums. His throwing mechanics are near perfect (and it shows in a lot of ways).

He's a stud. No two ways about it. I'm sure we'll be seeing him in the bigs in a couple years.

Yes.

If someone saw something that my son was doing that might increase the risk that he will experience an injury, then I would be very appreciative.

Chris I see something that will help your sons.

STOP coaching them before its too late !!!

On a more positive uplifting note>Click following
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/highschool/060221hstop50.html


Would also like to add that Robert Stock has been named pre-season All-American along with RHP Stoffel who also plays at Agoura HS.

Shep

I saw Stock pitch two innings at the PG California underclass last month.

Extraordinary.

One kid got an infield hit, because it hopped so high. One of the better batters ripped a shot off him to right center, but the right fielder ran it down. It was very hard hit - but the kid was a good batter I saw him take 6 other at bats, and he had two or three doubles.

Stock threw 94, and had a good CB and slider. I ain't no pitching expert, but I know outlier talent when I see it.

Real deal for sure. And yes he hits with power. Very well developed physically especially in lower body. Carried himself well. Self assured but did not seem arrogant or cocky.