rogers with something on his hand?

I wouldn't be too quick to jump to any conclusions. I saw that discoloration on his hand when the TV commentators showed it. It looked like a stain of some sort. Didn't seem as if there was any kind of foreign substance that could have been rubbed onto the ball.

The guy threw a brilliant game. Watching post game right now and they are turning it into a controvesy. If it is a foreign substance issue, doesn't that require that whatever it is, it had to be wiped on the ball so that it could influence its flight? I didn't see anything that looked as if it could be transfered to the ball from his palm.

Bear in mind: I am rooting for the Cards in this series.

I didn't think too much of it (as he was pitching well after it was washed off) until ESPN showed a montage of Rogers' mucky hands pitching against the A's, the Yankees, and the Cards....

Then the conflicting stories from Leyland, Rogers, and the umps in postgame interviews.

Where was LaRussa? No idea ths had happened before? Not looking for it? Not kicking up a stink during the game?

He still beat us for the other 7 innings he pitched. But I don't understand why, given the recent history, he's not being called on it.

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Didn't seem as if there was any kind of foreign substance that could have been rubbed onto the ball.

At one point during the game, they showed an ovrehead view into the Cards dugout and someone was holding a ball that appeared to have a dark smudge on it. The person holding the ball showed it to someone else and then put it in his pocket.

Pudge also threw balls that had hit the dirt directly into the dugout instead of handing them to the ump to swap them out.

shiny greasy dirt??? pleeeezzzze!

Why would a Cardinal put a doctored ball in his pocket and not in the ump's hand? Do you suppose said Cardinal was in cahoots with Mr. Rogers? Perhaps the umpires were conspiring to give the Cards the loss. Maybe this will turn out to be another 1919 Black Sox scandel.

Na.......Just another case of speculation. Like Clemons and Pettit on steroids.

Here's what really happened...

Kenny and John Cougar Mellencamp were in the dugout before the game swapping autographs and each enjoying a pre-game Charleston Chew. You know what I'm talking about...an old fashioned chewy favorite since 1922...flavored nougat covered in chocolate!




Although it was very cold last night, the chocolate still managed to melt in their hand. John took the time to clean up...that's why he was late getting out on the field before the game to sing with his group. Kenny must have been enjoying the song so much he forgot about the chocolate mess on his palm.

Honest mistake if you ask me.

Kenny Rogers CHEWED up the Cards as well.

Its - Yes, he sure did. Rogers has pitched amazingly during playoffs and now. Folks can credit something on his hand for one inning, but there were seven more! He's been brillant!

The Tigers weren't quite as together as they have been during playoffs, but were much better than Sat night.

Still think it's going to be a great series!! I hope for both teams that the weather warms up a bit!

Why did not Larussa go after it? He is usually like a pit bull in cases like this

Why didn't the umpires go to the mound to check it out?

I wish I had a digital camera. I can get that same look in about 5 seconds. There is a spray found in every training room in America that undercoats athletic tape wrap. It looks exactly the same. Any of you that spend time in a training room can verify the accuracy of this post.

I heard today that they are claiming it was mud. If so, why the concern in the dugout, shown on tv, when a teammate was telling Rogers about what the camera had captured?

Hey, you can wash that stuff off and yet, you will still have a tacky feeling. I know, I've done it before in batting practice when its cold outside and I'm getting tired and don't want to hit one of the kids.

I've always been a Rogers fan and I would bet that he had an adhesive type spray on his hands and not dirt. Just the fact that it was on the base of his thumb is evidence in itself that it is the perfect location that would allow a pitcher to rub the finger tips across it prior to every pitch if he wanted. The funny part was the only people up in arms about it was the media who in turn will enrage the State of MO. The Cards should have envoked the State motto "Show Me" while he was on the bump. As of now it's water over the brige and open to only speculation.

Maybe LaRussa did not say anything in order to protect his own staff on a cold night, during a cold series. That is my gut feeling, and I'm STICKING to it.

Geez, maybe he's just looking for an edge in a big game. Give'em a break, isn't he about 50 something years old?

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That is my gut feeling, and I'm STICKING to it.

Now that's funny! (and I know funny!!!)

Actually, Dad04, that's another good theory. Wasn't dirt. Wasn't pine tar. It was liver spots.

I think it was residue from an old melted "reggie bar"

Perhaps an overdose of the blood thinner coumadin many "older folks" take.

DAD

That drug has nothing to do with "older folks"--is for heart condiitons and heart conditions have nothing to do with young or old folks

By the way what do you consider to be "older folks"---?

Or, I remember having to wipe off dirt and food off my kids faces so maybe Kenny had to wipe a smudge off Pudge. You know those pitcher/catcher relationships are pretty tight.

Smudge off Pudge? Sounds like the last name of Notre Dame's wide receiver.

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DAD

That drug has nothing to do with "older folks"--is for heart condiitons and heart conditions have nothing to do with young or old folks

By the way what do you consider to be "older folks"---?

I'm not a real doctor, just play one on the internet.

DAD


DON'T-----

You're right TR...at age 50 I was on that stuff for a couple of months...is 50 young or old?

All I know is that while I was on Coumadin I craved egg salad...even if it was well past it's "Best if purchased by:" date.

Any explanation of that Dad04? Seen any episodes of House dealing with this medical mystery?

I am sorry I even stepped in---you want to light of a heart drug ---have fun---I apologize---maybe because I take that stuff serious

Ah, the Reggie Bar. Unwrap one and it'll tell you how good it is. Only candy bar that tasted like a hot dog.

House (sniff). Yet another reason to dislike postseason on Fox (as if there weren't enough) --- no new House episodes until Hallowe'en.

The strange thing about all this...

It has now been brought up that the same exact "smudge" was in the same exact spot when Rogers shutout the Yankees and the A's.

I don't remember anyone talking about it until last nights game. Was this brought up before last night?

TR:

Having experience with that drug I felt entitled to say a few words about it...true they were nonsense, but that's the point...laughter is the best medicine frequently.

I take that stuff seriously too...you have to. But it doesn't hurt to be a little light-hearted also.

Why doesn't he put the pine tar inside his belt like they do in college? Oops!

PG

I ask the same question--why did not LaRussa yell?
Why did the umpires not question ?

Perhaps the Bobbleheads on ESPN who contininue to have no "substance" and just reach for straws and RATINGS are creating---the game is still played on the field not on your TV screen--if you get the gist of it all
the bobble heads just create chaos for the "paying fans"

Orlando:
Those Reggie comments...very clever.

My son enjoys watching House. I still can't get over the fact that Hugh Laurie, as the doctor on House, is the same addlepated character(s) from the Black Adder series on BBC years ago.

He's good.

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I ask the same question--why did not LaRussa yell?

TR- I really do believe that besides the fact the coaches are friends and respect each other, LaRussa may have been protecting his own pitchers for the rest of the series.

you may very correct about the sports "heads" stirring up a fuss to get more fan interest -

the did the same thing to Gaylord Perry


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It was either pine tar or that other sticky substance someone mentioned.

He tried to get it "off" in between innings.

LaRussa didn't want to make an issue of it...that was OBVIOUS to the entire world! Classy thing to do...when you've only had 1 hit until the 9th inning.

Where is the Commish during all of this...Suspend him for the Series!...and I want the Tigers to win.

Beenthere, the rules say suspend and so it should be so. However, it won't be. Has anyone seen the website with the three pictures side by side from the A's game, the Yankee's game and last night's game? I've heard that there is such a posting.

All of St. Louis is buzzing over this. FYI, spilled milk. Get on with rooting for our team, enjoy the series. IT IS THE WORLD SERIES. So many teams didn't get a chance to complain. Besides, get a couple of hits earlier in the game and let the bats do the talking. Good series so far. I hope you all agree. Good coaching, great interest stories, enough arm chair quarterback situations thinking what I would do, great fans and good camera work. I don't enjoy the commentary as much but then again, who on God's green earth could make all of us happy?

GO CARDINALS!

Heaven knows our Tony has thrown fits over less, though I don't know that calling out the umpire crew in the second game would be a good idea.

I certainly don't understand why the umpires didn't even look.....

Well, wood, there are little glimmers in House for the Blackadder fans. Like Hugh's appalling English accent when he was trying to disguise his voice in the first season. And a more recent (but very badly delivered) Cameron line, asking "what the cunning plan was". Did you see him on The Actor's Studio?

I have seen the three photos together, Coach, but can't track them down. Here's two:

ESPN

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Where is the Commish during all of this

Been- I hope that is tongue-n-cheek because I didn't know that Bud was part of the crew.

Everyone rips on Selig for every bad thing that happens in baseball but no one will acknowledge the fact that a five year labor deal is all but passed without any media blasting which usually does nothing more than stir a pot that is none of their business. This is probably one of the most significant labor issues ever negotiated behind the medias back and I'll bet there are many people being called to the carpet for not recognizing what was going on.

Orlando:

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Did you see him on The Actor's Studio?

No. Where would I find it if I wanted to watch it?

Inside The Actor's Studio is on Bravo. You can catch a few clips at these links:

YouTube Laurie

Actor's Studio