LMAO
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
LMAO
Dear Mr. hit.
Being the unofficial moderator of moderators I have to respectfully inform you that we all know what you mean by "LMAO" as well as "ROFLMAOPMP" and other well-known Internet acronyms. We must respectfully inform you the mother of all moderators will contact you shortly and you will be required to undergo proper training in moderation if you intend to use the this moderate site any longer.
Fortunately for you we have found the perfect trainer to teach you moderation. You will be required to attend Dr. Mike Marshall moderation camp for the next 12 weeks. There in seclusion, he will teach you the evils of your ways and why you have not learned the proper form of Internet moderation. Dr. Marshall has learned that the keys to a moderate Internet experience has to do with when internet athletes train anaerobically, they use their Fast-Twitch Glycolytic muscle fibers. To resynthesize Adenosine-Tri-Phosphate molecules for muscle contraction, Fast-Twitch Glycolytic muscle fibers metabolize muscle glycogen. The waste product from this process is lactic acid. Due to this build up you develop have developed a cranky attitude and a penance to treat new posters with disrespect and arrogance and the immoderate tendencies you clearly show on this site. Terms that we have observed you using include TROLL and the other above-mentioned immoderations. We need to add no more.
Dr Marshall has taken his success in pitching mechanics and developed a special internet moderation technique through the use of a new “pronated auto icing keyboard” This keyboard developed in conjunction with his new disciple Dick Mills, allows posters to type properly without developing IMAHEIM.(we can’t tell you what it means until you attend our 12 week camp) Mr. Mills has discovered that when internet posters place ice on their hands, the body wants to protect its core temperature. To do this, the body restricts the blood flow to the cold area. However, after several minutes of reduced blood flow, the tissues that depend on that blood flow to receive nutrients, such as oxygen, start to complain. This is the discomfort that posters experience. Without oxygen, tissues cannot function and if this situation lasts too long, the tissues will die. To prevent this, the body decides that protecting the core temperature is less important than the life of these tissues. As a result, rather than restrict blood flow to the area, the body floods the area with blood,(at 20 mins.) which brings oxygen and other nutrients and carries away any waste products. The scientific term for this phenomenon is 'Reactive Hyperemia.'
For $36,000 Dr. Marshall and Mr. Mills will teach you proper use of this very special “pronated auto icing key board” (again it is super secret and you have to come to our camp to see it) where you will no longer experience 'Reactive Hyperemia" and Adenosine-Tri-Phosphate molecules for muscle contraction, Fast-Twitch Glycolytic muscle fibers metabolize muscle glycogenafter which you will be allowed to re-post on this site. In the mean time Mr. hit WE ARE WATCHING YOU!
TYPICAL!!!
Watch all you want pal !
Watch all you want pal !
BOF,
You are guilty of purveying an injurious 'traditional' comedic delivery--and with every guffaw you create you are thoughtlessly destroying innocent readers' health from having their sides split open.
When will it stop? When will shameless comedians like BOF (is that short for "Mr. BOFFO?) stop protecting their jobs and deliver only sober, boring comedy that makes no one laugh (and hence is 100% guaranteed to be injury-free comedy).
All the other comedian wannabes think they know laughter but they have not read my free 32 page joke book, nor have they learned to pronate each delivery to produce a True Maxline yuk-yuk.
You are guilty of purveying an injurious 'traditional' comedic delivery--and with every guffaw you create you are thoughtlessly destroying innocent readers' health from having their sides split open.
When will it stop? When will shameless comedians like BOF (is that short for "Mr. BOFFO?) stop protecting their jobs and deliver only sober, boring comedy that makes no one laugh (and hence is 100% guaranteed to be injury-free comedy).
All the other comedian wannabes think they know laughter but they have not read my free 32 page joke book, nor have they learned to pronate each delivery to produce a True Maxline yuk-yuk.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
TYPICAL!!!
Watch all you want pal !
Mr hit,
We know that you are well read (even though you can't spell properly) and it is obvious from your post that you saw that the California Supreme Court legitimatized *** Marriages on the day you posted TYPICAL.
Let us know your travel plans. We would love to watch you closer.
Thank You Partner In California
BOF
I stay out of your state if I can especially with a Governor who wants to release 25,000 inmates so as to help the state budget
What do same S e X marriages have to do with me
You are welcome to come east to watch me if you so desire--I can get you 3 day visa---
I stay out of your state if I can especially with a Governor who wants to release 25,000 inmates so as to help the state budget
What do same S e X marriages have to do with me
You are welcome to come east to watch me if you so desire--I can get you 3 day visa---
Jealousy rears it's ugly head once again. Just because we have dual citizenship and can travel on Austrian passports.
I don't know what the big deal is about same #*! marriages. The #*! in all marriages ends up being the same after long enough, just as we get older it happens less often and our memories get worse so we don't realize it.
(Not even going to take that topic on seriously.)
I don't know what the big deal is about same #*! marriages. The #*! in all marriages ends up being the same after long enough, just as we get older it happens less often and our memories get worse so we don't realize it.
(Not even going to take that topic on seriously.)
Hey I am one of those felons you speak so highly of. Our governor is good looking isn’t he? I knew you would notice.
Actually the Peoples Republic of California has imposed a ban on visa’s. We are now forced to wallow in our self-inflicted same s e X / housing morass.
The only other advice I can offer you is:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0764575376.html
Actually the Peoples Republic of California has imposed a ban on visa’s. We are now forced to wallow in our self-inflicted same s e X / housing morass.
The only other advice I can offer you is:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesTitle/productCd-0764575376.html
quote:Originally posted by Essex CC Baseball:
There are many thoughts and methods of what pitchers do concerning this but very limited research to back the actual results. As well each player's body responds differently.
What I actually do is have my guys do nothing except maybe ice depending on their work load and pitch count. The thought behind this is to stop the heavy flow of blood into the area and let the body go to a normal state. With heavy running there is more pressure and bleeding in the arm from the increased blood flow. For those that say "lactic acid" builds ups they need to learn more about aerobic and anaerobic systems and what creates lactic acid.
The next day I have my pitchers weight lift and do their flush with running a series of sprints. Sprints mimic more of the anaerobic system they use in the actual act of pitching and they still get the blood flow for the flush. This will then clear out the damage that was done from throwing and help in the recovery period.
go by this because of how my own personal experience as a pitcher and how I recovered from this as well as how my pitchers have responded well to this formula.
You are wise.
Aerobic training is counterproductive to anaerobic performance (pitching)
If pitchers have strength trained during the off season, continue with appropriate loads
Recovery is learned, trained and physiologically embedded into the athlete.
You are wise.
I used to play semi pro s****r. S****r is about short bursts of speed with the first step being the most critical. I found that the long distance conditioning allowed me to increase the quality and number of sprints I could perform in an actual game. I view pitchers as sprinters. I found well conditioned pitchers are able to better maintain their mechanics and velocity over a longer period.
quote:I used to play semi pro s****r. S****r is about short bursts of speed with the first step being the most critical. I found that the long distance conditioning allowed me to increase the quality and number of sprints I could perform in an actual game. I view pitchers as sprinters. I found well conditioned pitchers are able to better maintain their mechanics and velocity over a longer period.
This thread has gone all over the place but heck I will go with the flow.
Good analogy MTS. I believe most trainers have their pitchers do both distance running to build in long term endurance and muscle base as well as sprint work for fast twitch/speed development. Certainly weight training is part of the equation, but it must be the proper kind. Jon Doyle is pretty much on target in this area but this is for another forum.
Did anyone answer the question or do we have to wait for ****** ?
quote:
I believe most trainers have their pitchers do both distance running to build in long term endurance and muscle base as well as sprint work for fast twitch/speed development. Certainly weight training is part of the equation, but it must be the proper kind. Jon Doyle is pretty much on target in this area but this is for another forum.
Athletes are physiologically characterized first by their oxygen dependency or independency. Note the slang terms (an)(aer)obics which are Greek derivatives of "with or without wind (breath)". Part of this (an)aerobicity is the biochemical contributions to the activities. Fast breakdown and recovery or conservation.
Pitchers are rarely aerobic, using the aerobic system as a primary source for energy in human action (pitching). Endurance training is counterproductive, the science of this is well accepted.
Pitchers use bursts of anaerobic system-generated chemical energy, they are like 5 yd sprinters, up to 20 or more times an inning. Each with a rest period of several seconds.
Want to train pitchers through running? Then sprint, stop, sprint, stop, repeat. Is this not the sequence of musculature use and energy expendency typical of thier required performance?
Ask how many 100m sprinters run endurance in their traineing regimens. Few, if any. Then why waste precious training time with counterproductive regimens?
How many pitchers do not come to rest points between pitches as an endurance runner who never comes to rest? None
If you train your neuromuscular system, and your biochemical systems, endurance, then do not expect them to be best trained for highly repetitive, explosive, muscular human motions such as pitching.
quote:Originally posted by MTS:
I used to play semi pro s****r. S****r is about short bursts of speed with the first step being the most critical.
Futbol does have a few moments where and explosive change or retardaion of direction is successful.
quote:I found that the long distance conditioning allowed me to increase the quality and number of sprints I could perform in an actual game.
Futbol is bith an anaerobic ans aerobic activity, it is unlike pitching
quote:I view pitchers as sprinters. I found well conditioned pitchers are able to better maintain their mechanics and velocity over a longer period.
Your transference of training fails due to the highly disparate requirements of the two sports.
Further, well conditioned pitchers (defining conditioning here is in itself difficult) become well conditioned primarily by pitching innings.
I respectfully disagree
It is very difficult to pitch many innings game after game if you are not in "condition' to do so---when I say condition I mean legs and arm
It is very difficult to pitch many innings game after game if you are not in "condition' to do so---when I say condition I mean legs and arm
Further, well conditioned pitchers (defining conditioning here is in itself difficult) become well conditioned primarily by pitching innings.
The body constitutes a linked system. The trunk, abdominals, lower extremities, the knee etc are not closed systems and any action involving these subsystems influences what is happening in all parts of the body and the body as a whole.
Pitching "conditioning" follows the same rules, there is no separtist conditioning of arms, legs. It is not your fault you fall to the temptation to isolate body parts in determining pitching conditioning. This forum is inundated with current and simplistic emphasis on so-called “core training” which propogates this misdirection of pseudo-science. That the body is best conditioned by emphasis on limbs, tummies or legs.
It follows that in pitching, regardless of what one does pre-season to prepare for the endurance aspects of pitching (other than throwing), only pitching/throwing will ultimately be the best process paths to endurance (innings/balls thrown) for the pitcher.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
I respectfully disagree
It is very difficult to pitch many innings game after game if you are not in "condition' to do so---when I say condition I mean legs and arm
The body constitutes a linked system. The trunk, abdominals, lower extremities, the knee etc are not closed systems and any action involving these subsystems influences what is happening in all parts of the body and the body as a whole.
Pitching "conditioning" follows the same rules, there is no separtist conditioning of arms, legs. It is not your fault you fall to the temptation to isolate body parts in determining pitching conditioning. This forum is inundated with current and simplistic emphasis on so-called “core training” which propogates this misdirection of pseudo-science. That the body is best conditioned by emphasis on limbs, tummies or legs.
It follows that in pitching, regardless of what one does pre-season to prepare for the endurance aspects of pitching (other than throwing), only pitching/throwing will ultimately be the best process paths to endurance (innings/balls thrown) for the pitcher.
Whatever. My son runs religiously and he works out with weights. He is known to be an effective pitcher.
quote:Originally posted by MTS:
Whatever. My son runs religiously and he works out with weights. He is known to be an effective pitcher.
There are major league prospects, and MLB successes, never coming close to optimizing their capabilities. They did nothing except show up at game time
Which is entirely the point. The point is what would any athlete do for maximizing his performance. Long distance running has a very low priority in that goal.
quote:Originally posted by Brilliant Mind:quote:Originally posted by MTS:
Whatever. My son runs religiously and he works out with weights. He is known to be an effective pitcher.
There are major league prospects, and MLB successes, never coming close to optimizing their capabilities. They did nothing except show up at game time
Which is entirely the point. The point is what would any athlete do for maximizing his performance. Long distance running has a very low priority in that goal.
You have no proof for your statements which border on the illogical. Who are you? Who cares?
I have to agree with some of which Brilliant Mind has posted.
Long distance running does not make a pitcher more effective. It is very good for cardio and emotional health and helps to strengthen legs and calves, where the pitcher gets his strength from.
In training, many leave out the explosive conditioning needed for pitchers endurance, which includes some of the techniques mentioned above.
You would be surprised, spring training most MLB pitchers just show up and haven't even begun to condition until that day. They are MLB players because they have the stuff to be so, not necessarily because they are in the best physical shape.
JMO.
Long distance running does not make a pitcher more effective. It is very good for cardio and emotional health and helps to strengthen legs and calves, where the pitcher gets his strength from.
In training, many leave out the explosive conditioning needed for pitchers endurance, which includes some of the techniques mentioned above.
You would be surprised, spring training most MLB pitchers just show up and haven't even begun to condition until that day. They are MLB players because they have the stuff to be so, not necessarily because they are in the best physical shape.
JMO.
How do you explain theat the majority of top pitchers do what you claim is poor science.
Any idiot knows that LD is for stamina and sprints are for explosive twitch muscles.
Again the question is over run with the scientists explaining what was not asked. Whos are you trying to impress with your Kinsey 101 text book info.
Running after pitching was the question. That was answered qite well before.
There are always those who have to go against proven methods that produce excellent pitchers.
Any idiot knows that LD is for stamina and sprints are for explosive twitch muscles.
Again the question is over run with the scientists explaining what was not asked. Whos are you trying to impress with your Kinsey 101 text book info.
Running after pitching was the question. That was answered qite well before.
There are always those who have to go against proven methods that produce excellent pitchers.
BHD,
You are correct the question was about running after pitching.
But often the post goes astray.
A pitcher is going to have as much stamina as his legs do that day, not his arm.
You are correct the question was about running after pitching.
But often the post goes astray.
A pitcher is going to have as much stamina as his legs do that day, not his arm.
The legs are very important but so is the arm. Asl any pitcher who has tired arm. The arm doesn't have to be muscular but it does have to be in condition. To say conditioning one part of the body is obviouslt rediculous. All you have to do is read any book on pitchers workouts to see how important the workouts are.
No one said NOT to condition all parts. However, lots of young pitchers hit the upper body and forget to run or do conditiong for fast twitch muscles and explosiveness the pitcher needs.
But, just because you run and run and run won't make you a winner. You have to have all the parts working, and know how to pitch.
But, just because you run and run and run won't make you a winner. You have to have all the parts working, and know how to pitch.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
The legs are very important but so is the arm. Asl any pitcher who has tired arm. The arm doesn't have to be muscular but it does have to be in condition. To say conditioning one part of the body is obviouslt rediculous. All you have to do is read any book on pitchers workouts to see how important the workouts are.
Good pitchers use more leg and hips than arm. When I throw batting practice, I often throw about 300 pitches 2 to 3 times a week. Guess what hurts after throwing?
...My legs. Especially the inside quad. I think it's called the sartorius muscle.
quote:Originally posted by MTS:quote:Originally posted by Brilliant Mind:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MTS:
Whatever. My son runs religiously and he works out with weights. He is known to be an effective pitcher.
There are major league prospects, and MLB successes, never coming close to optimizing their capabilities. They did nothing except show up at game time
Which is entirely the point. The point is what would any athlete do for maximizing his performance. Long distance running has a very low priority in that goal.
quote:You have no proof for your statements which border on the illogical.
There is no such thing as proof in any science including the science of traning for maximized athletic performance. However, as I have stated several times before, the overwhelming studies and opinions of the scienctific world agrees that trainig aerobically for aneorobic excellence is counterintuitive, unproductive and, many say and I agree, the largest waste of training time an athlete can pursue.
If you would like for me to supply those citations, I will be happy to do so once you provide positive verifiation that you are qualified and capable of examing the veracity of a clinical study, its conclusions and its organizers.
quote:Who are you? Who cares?
If no one cares, no need to identify myself.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
How do you explain theat the majority of top pitchers do what you claim is poor science.
First, the majority of professional trainers who are employed by MLB clubs are low paid watchdogs who have little scientific backgrounds. They do not have off season control of their athletes due to location, trades and generally being ignored.
Second, the majority of top pitchers in the professional ranks are clueless to maximizing their pitching talent through off/in/on season regimens and made their way to MLB without such regimens.
Third, the lack of truly capable strength and power trainers propogates this poor science thayt you have correctly identified.
quote:Any idiot knows that LD is for stamina and sprints are for explosive twitch muscles.
I doubt an idiot, by definition, would know that.
quote:Again the question is over run with the scientists explaining what was not asked. Whos are you trying to impress with your Kinsey 101 text book info.
The two Kinsey's that I am aware who were scientists , one was involved in human sexuality, the other was a bio/zoologist. I have no interest in either, and no comment to your question accordingly.
I have no science that agrees that performing primarily aneorobically for aerobic performance, and vice-versa, is a proven method, neither do you.quote:There are always those who have to go against proven methods
quote:that produce excellent pitchers.
Yes, they are called scientists, truth seekers, and mark the quality of their work by advancing the cause of human performance.
quote:Originally posted by MTS:
Good pitchers use more leg and hips than arm. When I throw batting practice, I often throw about 300 pitches 2 to 3 times a week. Guess what hurts after throwing?
...My legs. Especially the inside quad. I think it's called the sartorius muscle.
I am uncertain how you would quantify "using more legs, hips than arms..". By measuring overall electrical activity? Chemical utilization? That the muscular mass is larger, one to the other? It appears you are using DOMS (Delayed Onset of Muscular Soreness) which does indicate a level of activity.
The fastest, human limb function, by far, is the human arm in pitching a baseball at maximum speed.
quote:Originally posted by Yardbird:
Dr.Marshall teaches us that when athletes train aerobically, they use their Slow-Twitch Oxidative muscle fibers. To resynthesize Adenosine-Tri-Phosphate molecules for muscle contraction, Slow-Twitch Oxidative muscle fibers metabolize muscle glycogen and muscle triglycerides. The waste products from this process are carbon-dioxide and water.
When athletes train anaerobically, they use their Fast-Twitch Glycolytic muscle fibers. To resynthesize Adenosine-Tri-Phosphate molecules for muscle contraction, Fast-Twitch Glycolytic muscle fibers metabolize muscle glycogen. The waste product from this process is lactic acid.
Although I believe Mike, and I have told him exactly so as has Mel Siff and several Russian sport scientist specialists, this explanation is too rigid in terms of separating these two biochemical systems. It will do for arguments sake and Mike is spot on in terms of identifying that these two biochemical systems are polar opposites. This leads to the well accepted opinion that training one system for athletes who perform in another is time-wasting if not performance-depriving(or both in my opinion)
quote:However, even though baseball pitchers train at their maximum intensity, they do not produce lactic acid, which means that they do not train anaerobically.
Agreed with a further maker being the relience on oxygen as the basis for producing
Also known as the recovery or regeneration of the biochemistry to normal.quote:To train athletes aerobically, exercise physiologists use equal work and recovery intervals. To train athletes anaerobically, exercise physiologists use rest intervals six times longer than the work interval. In baseball pitching, baseball pitchers maximally apply force for two-tenths of a second and can rest for a maximum of twenty seconds. Even at ten seconds of rest between baseball pitches, baseball pitchers rest for fifty times their work interval.
Also known as "flushing".quote:
When baseball pitcher place ice on their pitching arm, the body wants to protect its core temperature. To do this, the body restricts the blood flow to the cold area. However, after several minutes of reduced blood flow, the tissues that depend on that blood flow to receive nutrients, such as oxygen, start to complain. This is the discomfort that pitchers experience. Without oxygen, tissues cannot function and if this situation lasts too long, the tissues will die. To prevent this, the body decides that protecting the core temperature is less important than the life of these tissues. As a result, rather than restrict blood flow to the area, the body floods the area with blood,(at 20 mins.) which brings oxygen and other nutrients and carries away any waste products. The scientific term for this phenomenon is 'Reactive Hyperemia.'
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
I have to agree with some of which Brilliant Mind has posted.
Long distance running does not make a pitcher more effective. It is very good for cardio and emotional health and helps to strengthen legs and calves, where the pitcher gets his strength from.
In training, many leave out the explosive conditioning needed for pitchers endurance, which includes some of the techniques mentioned above.
You would be surprised, spring training most MLB pitchers just show up and haven't even begun to condition until that day. They are MLB players because they have the stuff to be so, not necessarily because they are in the best physical shape.
JMO.
I made three trips to AZ in consecutive years as a paid consultant. I refused to return. It was a waste of time and money. Taking a head count of the Mil Brwers at Maryvale, only seven players had true, off season strength training programs and five of those were basically hypertrophy oriented with major emphasis on biceps/triceps and pecs.....and steroids.
Here is the kinetic chain as describe by Professor of Bio Mechanics Alfred Finch.
It appears you don't give enough credit to the legs, hips, torso and shoulders.
http://www.sportsci.com/topics2/presentations/Throwing_...on_ISBS99/mthrow.htm
It appears you don't give enough credit to the legs, hips, torso and shoulders.
http://www.sportsci.com/topics2/presentations/Throwing_...on_ISBS99/mthrow.htm
This is a good discussion, let's not let it get nasty.
I agree, professional baseball tells pitchers to go home and rest the arm and a few months later you recieve a letter with a 9 week throwing program, that's it, no conditioning program for any other part of the body. I find this interesting and I do beleive it is because most don't have a program that would be 100% efffective for any one individual. The milb player wanting to be in shape for febuary/March is forced to seek out help using his own resources which is very expensive.
MLB pitchers and players who have earned big contracts come without even so much as entering a gym, not because they can't afford it, but because of two reasons. Humans are lazy by nature and they really don't know what to do. I know this for a fact, as my husband BF is close friends with a well known MLB pitcher who doesn't pick up a ball, run or hit the weight room until a few weeks before he has to report.
My son was lucky in the fact that he received somewhat decent training in school and has a friend who is a certified trainer and nutritionist who is employed as a player with milb. Through his observations, he developed a program for son that he felt would be sufficient by watching and observing MLB and milb and what they came lacking for sprng training. The program was designed to prepare him for the "conditioning" that you receice, which essentially includes weight training and running, given to you when you arrive (not suring the off season).
As far as icing after pitching, my son used to ice everytime after pitching, many MLB clubs advise not to. He has found that icing, a series of recovery excercises and running the following day is a better routine for him than running directly after pitching. He has returned to that regime, the same as he was advised in college.
I agree, professional baseball tells pitchers to go home and rest the arm and a few months later you recieve a letter with a 9 week throwing program, that's it, no conditioning program for any other part of the body. I find this interesting and I do beleive it is because most don't have a program that would be 100% efffective for any one individual. The milb player wanting to be in shape for febuary/March is forced to seek out help using his own resources which is very expensive.
MLB pitchers and players who have earned big contracts come without even so much as entering a gym, not because they can't afford it, but because of two reasons. Humans are lazy by nature and they really don't know what to do. I know this for a fact, as my husband BF is close friends with a well known MLB pitcher who doesn't pick up a ball, run or hit the weight room until a few weeks before he has to report.
My son was lucky in the fact that he received somewhat decent training in school and has a friend who is a certified trainer and nutritionist who is employed as a player with milb. Through his observations, he developed a program for son that he felt would be sufficient by watching and observing MLB and milb and what they came lacking for sprng training. The program was designed to prepare him for the "conditioning" that you receice, which essentially includes weight training and running, given to you when you arrive (not suring the off season).
As far as icing after pitching, my son used to ice everytime after pitching, many MLB clubs advise not to. He has found that icing, a series of recovery excercises and running the following day is a better routine for him than running directly after pitching. He has returned to that regime, the same as he was advised in college.
MTS,
“It appears you don't give enough credit to the legs”
Neither does the graph you put up, it starts at the hips!
While the legs play a role they are most times over emphasized along with the core. Remember under high-speed film shows that all the forward momentum
that a traditional pitcher develops by leg lifting come to a complete stop at glove Side foot plant, while the ball is actually moving backwards, counter productive. Driving foreword only to put on the brakes is why your legs get tired not the act
of the pitch.
“It appears you don't give enough credit to the legs”
Neither does the graph you put up, it starts at the hips!
While the legs play a role they are most times over emphasized along with the core. Remember under high-speed film shows that all the forward momentum
that a traditional pitcher develops by leg lifting come to a complete stop at glove Side foot plant, while the ball is actually moving backwards, counter productive. Driving foreword only to put on the brakes is why your legs get tired not the act
of the pitch.
quote:Originally posted by Yardbird:
MTS,
“It appears you don't give enough credit to the legs”
Neither does the graph you put up, it starts at the hips!
While the legs play a role they are most times over emphasized along with the core. Remember under high-speed film shows that all the forward momentum
that a traditional pitcher develops by leg lifting come to a complete stop at glove Side foot plant, while the ball is actually moving backwards, counter productive. Driving foreword only to put on the brakes is why your legs get tired not the act
No it doesn't. If you clicked on the link I provided with the chart, the Professor of Bio Mechanics includes the following:
The planting of the stride foot provides blocking action of the horizontal velocity of the stride and a transfer of velocity from the trunk to the arm and eventually the ball. Errors in the placement of the plant foot may include: 1) striding too wide, which prematurely opens the hips and tends to produce an arm lagged position, 2) closed stride would block the hip rotation, 3) overstriding may produce an extended leg position which brakes the throwing motion as the pitcher attempts to rotate over the planted foot or extreme overstriding will necessitate the pitcher to flex the knee in order to reduce the radius of rotation thus permitting sufficient angular momentum to rotate over the plant foot . This action has a tendency to elevate the shoulder/ball path and additionally places high stretching loads on the hamstrings / low back musculature leading to premature fatigue or muscle soreness
The stride during the accelerative phase provides a translated point of rotation of the shoulder which flattens the ball arc path, providing a longer time window in which the pitcher may provide an accurate release. Additionally, a strong push-off provides acceleration of the trunk and a significant contribution to the resultant ball velocity.
MTS,
The fact that the good professor does not call out this total and complete stoppage of leg drive shows that he does not use high-speed footage in his analysis, which renders his opinion as useless and with no merit. The Torso is at a stop also at this point (for many frames) when the ball is still traveling backwards. One day you will witness high speed video yourself and come away with a changed opinion, until then you will just have to believe in what you are told by others like all the traditional pitching Guru’s who do not use this valuable tool. Only just recently has the self-proclaimed expert associations like NPA and others use high-speed footage so that they can back up what they have been guessing at for so long. You will witness a huge change in what they now believe to be truth when they finish with their analysis when ever that is. If they only study the traditional motion they will learn only what the traditional motion tells them and will come out with the same tiresome injurious mechanics that we are all used to seeing.
Brilliant Mind,
Pitching is a Ballistic athletic activity not Anaerobic! your posts are very interesting and thought provoking, keep it up!
The fact that the good professor does not call out this total and complete stoppage of leg drive shows that he does not use high-speed footage in his analysis, which renders his opinion as useless and with no merit. The Torso is at a stop also at this point (for many frames) when the ball is still traveling backwards. One day you will witness high speed video yourself and come away with a changed opinion, until then you will just have to believe in what you are told by others like all the traditional pitching Guru’s who do not use this valuable tool. Only just recently has the self-proclaimed expert associations like NPA and others use high-speed footage so that they can back up what they have been guessing at for so long. You will witness a huge change in what they now believe to be truth when they finish with their analysis when ever that is. If they only study the traditional motion they will learn only what the traditional motion tells them and will come out with the same tiresome injurious mechanics that we are all used to seeing.
Brilliant Mind,
Pitching is a Ballistic athletic activity not Anaerobic! your posts are very interesting and thought provoking, keep it up!
He uses 4 60-mhz cameras and a 500 fps LoCam cinematographical camera along with a system called Ariel for 3D motion capture and analysis. He is light years ahead of your Dr.
Alfred Finch is a professor in bio mechanics. He is certainly more qualified than you are with regards to human movement. By the way how many of you are in the pros?
MTS,
I did not read anything where he states what is happening right at foot plant?
I believe he either omitted it or missed it like all the rest. Showing everybody stills and at that angle tells us nothing. Now show us the 10 frames right before the glove arm foot plants (at this point you can count frames and calculate forward movement velocities) then when the glove arm foot plants count how many frames it takes to get going forwardly again.
I doubt he gives this critical information that you seem to have analyzed yourself by your arguments. I have a long time ago.
Why do you always bring up Dr.Marshalls name into every thread, is it because he spanked you at his web site when you lied about something he supposedly said?
I just figured it out? You are TGcoach at another web site and an avowed Marshall hater.
“He is certainly more qualified than you are”
And how would you know that?
“By the way how many of you are in the pros?”
There is only one of me and I have not been cloned to my knowledge. I am not a player currently nore my clones, I think?
I did not read anything where he states what is happening right at foot plant?
I believe he either omitted it or missed it like all the rest. Showing everybody stills and at that angle tells us nothing. Now show us the 10 frames right before the glove arm foot plants (at this point you can count frames and calculate forward movement velocities) then when the glove arm foot plants count how many frames it takes to get going forwardly again.
I doubt he gives this critical information that you seem to have analyzed yourself by your arguments. I have a long time ago.
Why do you always bring up Dr.Marshalls name into every thread, is it because he spanked you at his web site when you lied about something he supposedly said?
I just figured it out? You are TGcoach at another web site and an avowed Marshall hater.
“He is certainly more qualified than you are”
And how would you know that?
“By the way how many of you are in the pros?”
There is only one of me and I have not been cloned to my knowledge. I am not a player currently nore my clones, I think?
Wrong on all counts. I go by MyTwoSons (MTS, get it?) on eteamz and Max training. You posted all Marshall's garbage except for not mentioning him by name. The pros throw the way they do because other pros did it, not because of Marshall. You are just like Kharma. You just admited that Kharma is Marshall. Funny I see just as many curve balls and sliders, kicks and long strides as I did three years ago. After 7 years still no Marshall pitchers in Major League. Are you a Professor of Bio Mechanics? I didn't think so.
MTS?
You have now taken this thread to the Marshall 50 yard line and driving it right up the middle, What is up? First off when I respond to someone it is always about safety and mechanics and training, you on the other hand always drift into this personal attack mode.
I will continue to give safe mechanical throwing advice. Why don’t you just state your mechanical claims as proof of what you believe with out the emotion? Is your quest to stomp out all Marshall information for some reason?
What happened? Why is this a threat to you?
You have now taken this thread to the Marshall 50 yard line and driving it right up the middle, What is up? First off when I respond to someone it is always about safety and mechanics and training, you on the other hand always drift into this personal attack mode.
I will continue to give safe mechanical throwing advice. Why don’t you just state your mechanical claims as proof of what you believe with out the emotion? Is your quest to stomp out all Marshall information for some reason?
What happened? Why is this a threat to you?
