100-0 is bad. While I'm not much for pulling back to mock a weak opponent, that coach knew the game was on the schedule and could've called up some of the JVs for that game and get them in a varsity match.
It's one thing if teams are so bad they're giving you runs or points but when you're up 50-0 in a basketball game and your goal as a coach is to get 100-point shutout says a lot about the coach as a person and one who teches our children.
Seems to me that he got what he deserved... and really was asking for with his statement.
It's still the 100-0 thing that amazes me. Actually it's just the ZERO!
I saw this on a search (Arizona Girls Team Basketball Records)
2006 - Mesa Red Mountain 117 Yuma 5
Mesa won by 112 points.
Wonder if they apologized after they pounded Yuma by 112?
I saw this on a search (Arizona Girls Team Basketball Records)
2006 - Mesa Red Mountain 117 Yuma 5
Mesa won by 112 points.
Wonder if they apologized after they pounded Yuma by 112?
quote:It's still the 100-0 thing that amazes me. Actually it's just the ZERO!
PG...the coach said today they only got off 7 shots THE WHOLE GAME. One ugly game.
Yeah that ZERO seems almost impossible, that they could'nt score at all. the teams obviously were very mismatched.
I smell a law suit.
Fired because he disagreed respectfully or because he won a blowout game ? What about the Dallas coach who agreed to play this team ? Wasn't a blowout obvious ?
Fired because he disagreed respectfully or because he won a blowout game ? What about the Dallas coach who agreed to play this team ? Wasn't a blowout obvious ?
Blowout wins has been a pattern. I would say this wasn't a respectful disagreement when you go to the press and don't even copy the school. One could assume it was even less respectful privately in discussions. And, Texas is a right to work state. He won't win any law suit.
I see a wrongful dismissal case. Getting fired for disagreeing is not warranted. If it was a pattern then the school is at fault if they didn't discuss their disagreement with his methods. Did the coaches get fired that PG pointed out. Is there a precedent ? He didn't disobey his employer he respectfully disagreed.
I find it interesting that posters think it is fine to fire someone over something like this.
I find it interesting that posters think it is fine to fire someone over something like this.
was he fired?
if so,i think it was a case of to much bad press. the media can make or break. i saw an article today about Pedroia's brother. new's yes,but not really national new's.imho
if so,i think it was a case of to much bad press. the media can make or break. i saw an article today about Pedroia's brother. new's yes,but not really national new's.imho
He was fired. Not sure of the official reason why. But I'm sure it was because his beliefs and actions are not consistent with the private Christian institution that employed him. He was stupid enough to document that inconsistency which made it an easy call for the school.
All conjecture aside what does the coaches contract with the school say ???
There is always a right way and a wrong way to handling situations. As adults we should know what the right way is. Obviously this guy choose the wrong way and paid for it.
Justifiably, IMO.
Just do the right thing for crying out loud!!
Justifiably, IMO.
Just do the right thing for crying out loud!!
I'll bet there's a clause to this effect in his contract.quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
But I'm sure it was because his beliefs and actions are not consistent with the private Christian institution that employed him.
If this guy thinks he's such a stud coach he should go coach at a higher level. Small private school conferences, that don't recruit are the low end of the coaching spectrum. Some schools don't see organized sports as anything more than physical activity.
We have one of these schools near us. A girl I know started on varsity basketball. She couldn't have made the freshman team at any level of competitive high school basketball. She never made the middle school or community travel teams before leaving for this school.
Without speaking specifically about this guy but usually in a school setting a coach can be relieved of his coaching duties at any time. A teacher is the one who is harder to get rid of unless they do not have tenure. So they can fire him from coaching but he would more than likely keep his teaching job (unless there is a WHOLE lot more than we know).
Plus I would say the administration has talked to the school's lawyer before they made any decision to get rid of him.
Plus I would say the administration has talked to the school's lawyer before they made any decision to get rid of him.
quote:Show some respect for the game and yourself.
Coach,
This says it all! I would be ashamed if I was a player on the winning team here. The players could have slowed the game down just as easily as the Coach. I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the goal of all involved with the winning team, Coaches, players, and even some parents.
It's a sad statement about anyone involved in a situation like this. As a parent of a player on the winning team, I might be compelled to take my kid off the floor. Certainly, I would be speaking to the Coach at halftime.
quote:The players could have slowed the game down just as easily as the Coach.
I don't think that's fair...can't pin it on a bunch of HS girls that were doing what their coach told them. It's pretty clear he's a hard nosed, cut throat guy. You can't expect them to take him on. The coach claims he changed to play "this way" when he suffered a similar loss two years ago at this same school 80 something to 20 something. (Commentary...that comment right there tells you he knew it wasn't right and way in payback mode).
quote:I don't think that's fair...can't pin it on a bunch of HS girls that were doing what their coach told them.
They follow a Christian curriculum, they know that beating someone 100 to nothing is not the Christian thing to do. If the Coach told them to go hurt another player, should they do it just because the "hard nosed Coach" told them to? They know the difference between right and wrong. They only have 8 players on the team, what's he going to do, kick them off???
It was good to hear from the Dallas Morning News article that the parents went to the school and told them how they felt about the situation and what they expect in the future. It would have carried more weight however if it was done during the game, IMO.
Hurting another player is far different than play hard, score, play tough defense until I tell you otherwise. Those girls did NOTHING wrong.
He's in a private school. Teachers in private schools get fired. There usually aren't unions.quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Without speaking specifically about this guy but usually in a school setting a coach can be relieved of his coaching duties at any time. A teacher is the one who is harder to get rid of unless they do not have tenure. So they can fire him from coaching but he would more than likely keep his teaching job (unless there is a WHOLE lot more than we know).
Plus I would say the administration has talked to the school's lawyer before they made any decision to get rid of him.
I think people on this board are responsible , we also have time to sit back and think bout this type of thing and have time to judge the situation making it easier to do the right thing. But what this coach has done is consistant with the American culture today from the greed on wall street, win at all cost steriods. I heard a poll taken that had kids where cheating more and more in school. society is getting worse not better.
quote:Originally posted by LAball:
I think people on this board are responsible , we also have time to sit back and think bout this type of thing and have time to judge the situation making it easier to do the right thing. But what this coach has done is consistant with the American culture today from the greed on wall street, win at all cost steriods.
I disagree totally!
An experienced coach, or a responsible adult for that matter, doesn't need hours or days to access this situation and figure out the right way to handle this game. Major lopsided games happen every day across the country. Responsible coaches never let it get to this extreme. We only hear about them when a numbskull like this coach has an agenda to either score 100 points or embarrass the other team. Shame on him and good riddance
quote:Originally posted by LAball:
I think people on this board are responsible , we also have time to sit back and think bout this type of thing and have time to judge the situation making it easier to do the right thing. But what this coach has done is consistant with the American culture today from the greed on wall street, win at all cost steriods.
Directionally, I agree with you. But this is clearly an extreme that can't be excused. Nor should it be accepted. That's sort of like saying shoplifting and armed robbery are the same...directionally in that they are crime, sure. But clearly not the same thing. This shouldn't be tollerated, wasn't, and that's a good statement about our culture...not a bad one. One bad apple.
I just listened to a talk show on this game. Most were coaches who were appalled at the coach being fired. They said they were hired to do what he did. and the other coach should shoulder the blame for subjecting his team to a much better team. The majority would play all out for the whole game but would sub in some guys who get limited game time. They all felt that every team tries to score as many points as they can. In hockey and basketball they run plays and they want them executed. Many had been on they short end of a rout and said they would be upset it the other team embarrassed them by letting up.
Bobblehead...there were plenty of things they could have worked on had they wanted to. Why not work on the half court defense. Why not work on locking down the paint. Why not work on a zone defense. Offensively, why not work on weakside layups and passing the ball until those weakside layups were created. They were shooting threes in the 4th quarter. They only allowed 7 or 8 shots defensively all game through pressing/man2man full court pressure.
Their point is valid...but not in this case. It's the coaching fraternity sticking up for a frat brother.
Their point is valid...but not in this case. It's the coaching fraternity sticking up for a frat brother.
No not sticking up for the coach. They blamed the Dallas coach for agreeing to play a better team. These guys were all high level coaches that stated they come to play all out. They also expect the same from the other team. Most have been on both ends of the stick.
I have seen many blowouts in basketball and many teams try to score as many points as they can. They may feel bad for a very weak team and wouldn't play them again. They would apologize privately and not publicly. They felt that further embarrassed the other team. They also felt this was typical media BS.
I have seen many blowouts in basketball and many teams try to score as many points as they can. They may feel bad for a very weak team and wouldn't play them again. They would apologize privately and not publicly. They felt that further embarrassed the other team. They also felt this was typical media BS.
quote:No not sticking up for the coach. They blamed the Dallas coach for agreeing to play a better team.
These were in the smallest private school district. There were only 20 girls in one of the schools. Sounds like a bunch of big school guys that don't understand the situation.
I agree. If this happened in a large school program, suck it up and get better. But in any 100-0 situation, don't trap full court almost the entire game. I doubt any of these coaches would have trapped the entire game.quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:No not sticking up for the coach. They blamed the Dallas coach for agreeing to play a better team.
These were in the smallest private school district. There were only 20 girls in one of the schools. Sounds like a bunch of big school guys that don't understand the situation.
Most were travel team coaches who are very successful. HS sports here are not a big deal even in hockey,Lacrosse . HS are big deals IN basketball.
I think what they do is coach all out.No quarters given. Come prepared to play. These sports unlike BB are based on executing plays and they said they execute every play to score.
This is a very big lopsided win but PG pointed out others that were even more lopsided. The media has pumped this way out of proportion in their eyes.
I think what they do is coach all out.No quarters given. Come prepared to play. These sports unlike BB are based on executing plays and they said they execute every play to score.
This is a very big lopsided win but PG pointed out others that were even more lopsided. The media has pumped this way out of proportion in their eyes.
quote:This is a very big lopsided win but PG pointed out others that were even more lopsided.
It's hard to imagine a more lopsided game than 100-0 where one team only takes 7 shots the whole game. I know I wouldn't want to watch it!
My instincts tell me there was more going on with this coach too...and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. One item of note...the week after the 100-0 win, they beat their opponent 77-27. They also lost a game this year 79-33. Their record is 5-3...other games were pretty close. But handling a blowout doesn't seem like a foreign concept never encountered before.
Lets say all 7 shot miraculously scored. 3 pointers and the score was 100-21, would we be as upset ?
quote:Lets say all 7 shot miraculously scored. 3 pointers and the score was 100-21, would we be as upset ?
Nope, as none of us would have heard about it. Eh?!