Scout Talk?

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And if you think just Jerry posts under PGSTAFF here, you are NUTS! There are others who have access to PG email interfaces, like Tyson, Andy, Jim Ecker and others that work for PG, even Allan Simpson and his son have screen names

Just to be clear, the above statement (rather than someones opinion) is 100% incorrect. I can't imagine why you would claim that without knowing for sure, which is my biggest problem with all of this stuff. I don't think any of those mentioned have ever posted on HSBBW under any screen name. At least one of those mentioned has told me I am NUTS for spending so much time on here. Every post (it's been many) by PGStaff has come from one person, no one else knows the password! Not many people in our organization even log on to HSBBW, let alone post anything.

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I truly respect what PG does for baseball and I don't mean any disrespect to them at all.

This might be true, but then you say...

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TPM asked why I never have been to a PG National Event or the Jupiter event, etc., and that answer is simply, why should I pay for a list of names that I can accumulate by paying a gate pass to and writing their names down?

My question... Why do so many MLB scouts, front office people and college coaches pay for this information and go to those events? The obvious answer... It's to SEE the players! The more you can see at one place is better than spending 100 times more to fly around the country seeing them. We know because we actually do fly people all over the place to see players. For sure we have people covering all the events that have a large number of talented players. It's very expensive!

We are aware that our player lists are given out to those not in attendance. We know because we have a method for checking this. Odd how a players name can be listed and he receives invitations to other evnts claiming they saw him. Problem is he wasn't there, he didn't make it there, he was just listed on the roster for that event.

Anyway, so long as everything stays positive, but more importantly factual and truthful... I guess we will just have to see how this plays out.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:

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And if you think just Jerry posts under PGSTAFF here, you are NUTS! There are others who have access to PG email interfaces, like Tyson, Andy, Jim Ecker and others that work for PG, even Allan Simpson and his son have screen names

Just to be clear, the above statement (rather than someones opinion) is 100% incorrect. I can't imagine why you would claim that without knowing for sure, which is my biggest problem with all of this stuff. I don't think any of those mentioned have ever posted on HSBBW under any screen name. At least one of those mentioned has told me I am NUTS for spending so much time on here. Every post (it's been many) by PGStaff has come from one person, no one else knows the password! Not many people in our organization even log on to HSBBW, let alone post anything.

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I truly respect what PG does for baseball and I don't mean any disrespect to them at all.

This might be true, but then you say...

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TPM asked why I never have been to a PG National Event or the Jupiter event, etc., and that answer is simply, why should I pay for a list of names that I can accumulate by paying a gate pass to and writing their names down?

My question... Why do so many MLB scouts, front office people and college coaches pay for this information and go to those events? The obvious answer... It's to SEE the players! The more you can see at one place is better than spending 100 times more to fly around the country seeing them. We know because we actually do fly people all over the place to see players. For sure we have people covering all the events that have a large number of talented players. It's very expensive!

We are aware that our player lists are given out to those not in attendance. We know because we have a method for checking this. Odd how a players name can be listed and he receives invitations to other evnts claiming they saw him. Problem is he wasn't there, he didn't make it there, he was just listed on the roster for that event.

Anyway, so long as everything stays positive, but more importantly factual and truthful... I guess we will just have to see how this plays out.

Jerry/PG, thanks for the reply and sorry if I mistaken you for not being the only one posting under PGStaff, but my point has always been to be informative, as accurate as possible and give positive info, and share what I know, not trying to toot my own horn or be a braggart, which I know comes across that I may be that way, but it's not intended. As I mentioned above, I will not post player reports on the HSBBweb.

As far as me not attending PG events, I have in the past, the Iowa Wooden fall/spring league, first time was when Hanrahan pitched and Nelson was a 3b'man and very young then at IWCC-CB, it must have been '93 or so, anyways..........I know that MLB scouting bosses, GMs, the Bureau, etc., attend the world class showcases that your group puts on PG and I have always been a huge supporter of those events and the clubs pay for going because that's where they all can gather as much info from one site as they can for the limited time that they can. Why do you think that 30 scouts from one club go to the World bat tourneys in FLA? Because there are so many fields, etc., and a mass of talent out there which I know and read about. I remember years ago East Cobb used to send teams into Omaha during the CWS and that evolved into something even bigger for East Cobb baseball which is one of the best programs around in the nation. It's tough for one or two area guys to cover over 60 teams at 6 plus fields simutaneously, LOL. Sure I could pay to attend the event, but when my job was taking me to large cities where there was relevant talent to see for each year's MLB Draft, it was already company expensed, so the rest was out of my own pocket and many times it didn't cost me anything to get into a game, having known the coaches/ADs, etc. IF and when I do have the time to go to Tropicana or where-ever a PG major event is where there is well over 100 talented players who have a shot of being high drafts, etc., I will make a concerted effort to be there, but in reality, my itinerary is as it is with what I do for a living and that's what pays my bills, no ML club does that for me, LOL, and I like it this way for now. I do get to mingle with some of the young interns for a baseball publication and I always praise how PG does a great job at promoting baseball, and you are all great ambassadors for the game of baseball.

Again, I didn't mean any disrespect to you PG, but I felt slighted for the hard work and information I give out and dig for when I am at games and viewing classified videos, etc., or attend all-star events. The first was in 2003 when Nelson won the HR Derby years ago for AFLAC. I remember seeing the young man the Halos had who lost his life after starting a game on tv I was watching and I offered my condolences to the family and to the scout who pitched for me at IWCC-CB who signed him.

So again, I will not post any player reports, but I will contribute when the opportunity arises and someone wants advice or info that I may be able to share about.

Thanks again!

X

PG Jerry,

I will remain positive and have vowed not ruffle any feathers. I am a renewed person who would like to contribute here without being questioned at every turn by people who really don't know me at all.

It never even entered my mind that someone else posted under PG STAFF. I knew better because you are the only PG STAFF I've ever known here. Always helpful, truthful, and just PG Jerry. Not sure why X thought otherwise. I'm very aware that only one person posts under that avatar ( even if it is another college logo ), and so is everyone else here, except for newcomers.

I know exactly what you were saying in your earlier post when X first started this thread about those that manipulate the messageboards for self-serving purposes. Believe it or not, I have no alterior motives involved with my "passion for the game of baseball". None, whatsoever! I am on nobody's payroll involving these prospects, it's just what I enjoy doing around my teaching job of 17 years. I teach science, and have a good working background involving athletic related movements with countless hours of research, and video analysis. I am a person who enjoys my profession because it involves everything around us and can impact all of our future if someone doesn't come up with some answers to solve many current worldwide trends.

I want you to also know, personally, I think the absolute world of the PG family. You all have made "HUGE SACRIFICES" through these many years, and it hasn't gone unnoticed. And especially for baseball prospects who never would have received the opportunities that the PG service provides in the modern age of baseball scouting.

I've said this to you before, I wished you guys would have been around when my brothers and I all played because I do believe things might have turned out differently for several of us back then when we played in the 80's and early 90's. As it has turned out, I believe I'm exactly where I am supposed to be helping inner-city student/athletes stay on track, and reach a level of success that will make them productive citizens in this tough economical environment we find ourselves in nowadays. It's a calling that is sometimes not easy for a person to see without a little help along the way. Euphoria has blinded many with unreasonable goals and dreams, including me. My goals were way too tunnel vision back in my playing days, and I had to fail in the reality of my own selfish dream before I could be of any use to these kids I teach. I am blessed, and I count my blessings every day. Like you, I don't have time for this type of behavior on a messageboard, and certainly don't invite it! I find myself seeking an avenue to stay involved. Unfortunately, I have encountered those out here who have taken it upon themselves to be my judge and juror. That's a shame because I do have old school hard knocks experience that may help someone traveling down a similiar path as I have. That's really why I'm here, and will post in the hitting/pitching forums over the holidays. I am looking forward to talking with Bluedog, and many others over this Thanksgiving/Winter Break. That's the scout talk I really want to be involved with, not the scout talk about prospects up in this forum. You guys do a good enough job for me, along with Baseball America, when it comes to scouting and evaluating talent. It needs to be said by an unbias person that the travel costs you guys must incur must be astronomical! I know this from my own limited travel in the past to baseball events, especially, a 2-flighter across the country as in the AFLAC trips! WOW! I hear you on that very valid point you made above! WOW! I do enjoy attending your events though, when I can. Heck, it's only $10 for a one day pass in Jupiter, for example. That is the best $10 investment any baseball person can possibly make! In fact, I have been to two Jupiter tournaments in the past 3 years. Saw you at both, along with many others.

Well, it's certainly not about me, and I shoulda stayed on the sidelines in the "all to familiar, let's get to know each other party between the two posters above". I find it almost comical that the same strategy and questions were asked at my party a few years back! It's like being screened for an FBI job! Enough rambling. Have a good week, sir.

Respectfully,
Fathertime71

are father time and XMLBscout the same person?

No, I don't think they are the same person. Father Time, if he is who he's been identified as on this thread, had numerous web names on another site. He would use them mostly to shill incessantly for one or two prep players. He would generally use one name until he pushed the envelope too far with the webmasters, then disappear for a little bit and reincarnate himself under a new moniker, but the message never changed, so you knew it was him.

XMLB frequented the same site. He didn't seem to be as bad. He would trumpet some kids, but it never appeared he had nearly the same agenda as Father Time. He certainly mentioned lots of players across the nation for someone who did not do this for a living. Whether he saw all the kids he wrote about, I can't say, but I think we'd all love to have that much free time to watch baseball.