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Then you would be saddened to realize just how many kids are throwing 90

        And just how many kids do you think are.throwing 90?

From east of the Mississippi River?  More than I can count...

       
       
Well lets try to count shall we?  We have gone down this road before on this site.  And we come to th conclusion we just define 'a lot' differently.  So lets go there first.  And lets just deal with high school seniors so we have some perameters.  Is 100 nationwide 'a lot'?  I don't think so.  I bet we could all agree on that.  500?  Thats getting there in my opinion.  How about 1000?  Now that would be a lot.  Does anyone really think there are 1000 hs seniors throwing 90?  If so I am really going to need to see some evidence of that.  How many pitchers go D1 every year?  At least 1500 I would think.  5 per school.  Sounds reasonable doesn't it?  So even if.there were 1000 seniors hitting 90 that leaves 500 D1 spots for.those who can't.   Now we all agree its not commonplace to play D1 baseball right?    90 is still quite an accomplishment.

To the OPs actual question, yes (sort of) it can be done...but, yes, you do need "real paying", Scout Level access.  I did exactly what it sounds like you are trying to do to assess where BucsFanSon was along the way the last few years.  You can only search by state (not by region), so would have to look up all the states and add up the data...not hard, just takes time.  I actually have been meaning to suggest to PGStaff that they add a regional type option (MidAtlantic, SouthEast, MidWest, NorthEast) to capture more than one state at a time.  I am sure it is very easy to do.  Anyway, here is  how you do it:

 

1. Get Scout Level Access

2. Click on "Scouting Tools"

3. Off to the the left, right under the search button, click on "Advanced Search"

4. All of your search menu options are right there.

 

It was great.  I went so far as to look, for example, at each kid who was 6' 2" or taller who had hit 88mph by the time they were in the Fall of junior year, how many were committed/where, etc.  Just as an example and for illustration, the data would suggest that a kid who was that tall and hit 88mph or higher had a 67% chance of being committed.  It's not perfect but any information is good as part of the overall picture.  It is a lot of clicking around and from one profile to another, but it was helpful.

Here is a sample from 2015 Jr. National Showcase:

13 of 86 pitchers were 90+ mph

http://www.perfectgame.org/eve...ults.aspx?event=3044

Unbelievable! These are 15 and 16-year-olds. 

 

At least hitters are seeing high-velo guys at younger ages!

 

A 2020 kid hit 90 last weekend at PG.      

       
       
is that a joke or for real?  We got a kid around here who is a 2020 at.82.  I can't imagine 90.  But you know some get there quicker than others.  Just a matter of will you get there by senior year?  Still though 90 is an accomplishment.

Many players pre-college that are throwing 90+.

 

And in defense of those playing behind the pitcher, many players pre-college who can hit those throwing 90+.

 

90+ with movement? That's a different story.

For real.  13U team starting pitcher threw 81, reliever came in and threw 85, then another kid came in and hit 89.x (I suppose you could round this up to 90, or maybe he hit 90 after I left the game).

       
       
Wow.  That's completely incredible.

So incredible that I couldn't believe it, but this is from PerfectGame.org for 7/25 at the 13U PG World Series. Boggles the mind.

 

 

This kid is so young that I don't even feel comfortable including his name.

 

 

y'all saw right through me.  that is exactly the kind of info i'm trying to capture.  I'll give it a whirl.  Thanks for the help.

Mike

 

 

Clueless, please don't look too hard at something like this.  This is amazing extraordinary and a million other things just short of unbelievable.   Please don't stack your kid up against these numbers.  And remember its not how soon you get there just so you get there!  And this kid is probably not a college prospect.  The draft will be calling him early I have a feeling.  God help this kid's health.

not to worry...  he is good, but not an elite pitcher and he knows it.  He is a rising Freshman and is hitting 72-74 on a good day.  First growth spurt yet to come...

 

I'm not interested in what the studs are doing at this stage, just what kind of velocities he should be reaching for to have a reasonable chance of pitching at the Collegiate level (his dream). 

 

Thanks, Mike

 

p.s. when you say health do you mean mental or physical, or both?  

Ok so 90. And great. That certain team is famous for two things. Paid for talent from who knows where and a roster that varies wildly in number and duration. Carrying who knows what for a certified birth certificate. And have yet to be caught, so you have to assume legitimate. But when you see the size and maturity of the players your mind has to ask the unspoken question. Be it politically correct or not.

 

Low 80s was the top tier. 90 was an outlier. Same team also had several mid 80's on other days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

       
       
Physical health.  I just can't even imagine the stress that puts on a 13 year old arm.  And you are certainly in the ballgame at 72-74.  You would like to be 80 by freshman season or summer after but not the end of the world if you are not.  Especially if there is late growth.

Sorry I replied to the wrong person

Guys - you are all me about 4 years ago.  My son is a 2016 RHP.  I know what you are trying to do, believe me.  If you don't have a PG Scout level subscription, well HSBW is here to help. That is the beauty of this free forum.  Go to the upper left, in the search button and use it like you do Google.  Search "Velocity Progression" and everything else.  You will find all you need.  It will take some time, but you'll become immersed in it.  Look for posts by "Bum" (I am still bummed...no pun intended) that he left the site.  I learned more from reading threads he was a part of than anyone.

...and don't be afraid to go back 3, 5, 8+ years.  Nearly everything you need is here.  Have fun!

I brought my Stalker Pro radar gun to the PG tournament in Atlanta this week.  The average velocity I saw for the 16U teams in our pool was 75 mph. Obviously there were faster pitchers on other teams in the tournament according to the daily leader board for velocity but I was shocked to not see any.  I will take 75 mph with control and movement any day.

IMO, getting to the 90 mph mark too early is asking for arm trouble in the near future. 

There was a second 2020 on the team that touched 88 in the previous tournament.

       
       
75 is pretty light for 16u.  We had three kids top over 70 on our 13u team.  And we faced maybe 10 kids at 75.  And one over 80.  At 16 we are sure to have at least a handful of kids cruising over 80.

The pitcher that one hit our team in the PG tournament threw 75 mph.  The average velocity that I measured in our high school varsity league is about 75 mph.  I've seen very few +80 throwers under 18.

I don't pay anything on PG, but on my kids profile there is a blue bar below his FB and it says what percentage he is compared to other 2020's....that bar dropped a bit with all those 2020's hitting 80's and 90!  LOL

 

But it's free, you just have to know one kid in the class you are looking for.  PM clueless if I didn't make sense and I'll walk you through my kids profile.

       
       
I have never seen that percentage thing Caco.  interesting.  Also that would be a percentile of those who participated in PG events?  So chances are.they are better than average players anyway.  I would be interested in that also.

Sent you a PM 2020dad

Some of that is bound to be selection bias, and though not aimed specifically at your comment, some of the numbers in general are probably inflated by people who don't understand the difference between "cruising" and "peak" velocity.  My son's 16u team had one regular who cruised over 80 and added one more at the end of the season who may return next year (and was previously on the team at a younger age). They're a solid if not spectacular team, and at least a couple of them are probably going to play college ball. Based on my own visits to PG events this year, similar teams appear to greatly outnumber the teams with a substantial number of guys at 80+.

 

 

The dividing line here for varsity generally seems to be around the 80mph mark (a tad less for LHP). The average varsity starter in the largest classification is probably low 80s when you include everyone, and pretty much every team has at least one 85+ guy and those guys tend to be studs as long as they have even decent command. 87/88 seems to be the dividing line where you start learning guys names, and I've seen fewer than a dozen of those between 15/16 travel and 6A HS Varsity the last 3 years.

 

The real studs are probaly just rare everywhere, so I'm sure they crop up in lower classifications about as often at 6A, but the rest of the rotations at the smaller schools are no doubt filled out by guys with lesser velocities just based on having fewer guys to choose from. I personally know of a couple of solid Varsity guys in the low to mid 70s (RHP) who compete well at smaller schools.

yes, I saw that blue bar when i followed the link to the 2015 Jr National showcase.  50%tile (average) for the 2017 class seemed to be 78 MPH.  When I have time I'll try to compile that average and a few other milestones for the different classes.

 

Also keep in mind, as 2020dad said, these are the kids that showed up at PG.  This does not take into account the entire class of 2017, or 2020....in theory if you are good/high speed you want it radar'ed and one of the easiest ways to get unbiased radar results would be pitching at a PG event.  These events aren't generally going to have the local rec park all star team.

Roger that...  i assumed that the PG group was above average, but since it is the group that will be competing for slots on a College team that is the group I'd like to take a look at.  thanks again to all for chiming in.

       
       
78 for 2017 shocks me.  At PG events?  Those are.high school sophomores about to be juniors.  I would think that number would at least be over 80.  Perhaps PG could chime in here but I wonder if that is for that calendar year or if it takes into account say a 2017 kid who competed when he was 14 and his highest number on the books is 71?

I'm pretty sure that just reflects every 2017's highest FB velo, regardless of year. IOW, there are results from 2014 and older mixed in there. Also mixed in are the kids who are not primarily pitchers.

Dang...  if this includes players who are not primarily pitchers, then my approach goes out the window.  Perhaps the paid access allow one to specify RHP or LHP...?

I've been to 16u PG events this year and last, and 78 actually seems a bit high (though I've been to more of the lower end events than WWBAs and the like). In my (extensive if unscientific) observation the typical 16u player at one of these is in the 70s somewhere, and I've probably seen as many upper 60s as upper 80s.

My kid is listed as a RHP, 1B, C, he NEVER plans on being a PO....so I don't think it would help you.

You can see both overall speeds and speeds at a particular event.  If you look at a player's profile it gives you the speeds for the entire class at the top.  If you go down to a particular event the player pitched in, you can see the numbers for just that event.

 

Average speed for pitchers at this year's WWBA for 2017's was 80 mph.

 

That's pretty much in line with what I would expect.  "Hard" throwers I saw this summer (16U) were usually around 85. I only saw a few 90 throwers - and those were usually in 18U events.

 

The average person hears 80mph and thinks it's "slow", when in reality there is only a small percentage of humans in this world capable of throwing that hard - let alone 90 mph.

 

After my son closed a game this past spring - 3K's on 11 pitches - I had one of the opposing team parents come up and tell me "that kid" was probably sitting in the high 80's because these batters just eat up kids throwing 80-85.

 

I was like yea - um no. Pretty sure that kid isn't sitting anywhere near high 80's buddy.