Seedings

I am interested to see who gets the #1-4 in the Nazareth sectional. Luckily, the top 3 teams (by most accounts) are all hosting a regional, so they won't have to play until the sectional:

*Chicago (St. Rita)
*LaGrange (Lyons)
*LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)


Berwyn-Cicero (Morton)
*Burbank (Reavis)
Burbank (St. Laurence)
Chicago (Bogan)
Chicago (Curie)
Chicago (Hancock)
Chicago (Harper)
Chicago (Hubbard)
Chicago (Kelly)
Chicago (Kennedy)
Chicago (Leo)
Chicago (Simeon)
Hillside (Proviso West)
Riverside (R.-Brookfield)
Summit (Argo)
Westchester (St. Joseph)

This is going to be a fun sectional because there are three really good teams (SR, LT, Naz), two really dangerous teams (St. Laurence & Morton), and three wildcard teams (Argo, Reavis & St. Joe's). Here is my guess:

1. St. Rita
2. LT
3. Naz
4. St. Laurence
5. Morton
6. Argo
7. St. Joe
8. Reavis

So with the regional hosts I will guess at these pairings for the regional championships:
* host

* Reavis v. St. Laurence
St. Joe v. *St. Rita
Argo vs. *LT
Morton vs. *Naz

OK, so what is going to happen at our seed meeting tonight? There are several teams with very similar records. Will teams vote on strength of schedule or will they "block vote" for their conference members? Which teams have truly played competition equal to themselves and above and which have scheduled lesser programs to build a record for the seed? I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER TO THIS LAST STATEMENT! These are things that I think about when casting my vote. BTW, I DON'T HAVE THE UP-TO-DATE RECORDS FOR MOST OF THE SOUTH SEVEN SCHOOLS.

School - Conference Record - Overall - Total Runs FOR/AGAINST

Althoff 5-2 17-5 140-78
Centralia 5-2 12-11 174-143
Marion 7-1 18-6 ?
Mt. Vernon ? 10-15 ?
Cahokia 0-1 2-9 26-112
Carbondale 0-4 0-5 27-45


Edwardsville 7-2 16-4 151-86
Belleville W. 6-3 13-6 112-63
O'Fallon 6-4 18-5 199-42
Belleville E. 4-4 17-6 198-78
Granite City 4-4 12-8 142-101
Collinsville 2-6 8-12 125-96


Triad 4-1 14-7 178-108
Waterloo 3-1 13-6 129-73
Highland 4-2 13-7 139-71
Mascoutah 2-4 12-9 114-110

Freeburg 6-2 18-9 183-120


Breese Mater Dei - 11-9 overall

Salem ?

north central sectional

1. Benet
2. Naperville Central
3. Hinsdale Central
4. Glenbard West
5. Naperville North
6. Downers Grove South
7. Downers North
8. Wheaton - seems like the deepest sectional to me...although it lacks a st. rita or lt

I might as well post mine too. Here's the Niles West Sectional:

Chicago (Amundsen)
Chicago (CICS-Northtown Academy)
Chicago (Lake View)
Chicago (Mather)
Chicago (Northside)
Chicago (Roosevelt)
Chicago (Senn)
Chicago (Sullivan)
Chicago (Taft)
Chicago (Von Steuben)
Evanston (Twp.)
Franklin Park-Northlake (Leyden)
*Glenview (Glenbrook South)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Norridge (Ridgewood)
*Northbrook (Glenbrook North)
Skokie (Niles North)
Skokie (Niles West)
*Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
*Winnetka (New Trier)

There are some records that I do not have but I think the seeds will go something like:

1. New Trier
2. ND
3. Loyola
4. GBN
5. Niles North
6. Ridgewood
7. Leyden
8. GBS
9. Evanston
10. Niles West

In rnd 2, ND would probably be at GBS, Loyola faces a suburban school, GBN vs Niles North, and NT gets the best of the Public League, probably Taft, who I saw was undefeated, but goodness knows in this sectional they have no chance of getting a top seed.

I might point out that people in our area are excited but don't quite understand the state's breakdown of this super-sectional since only 3 teams in the sectional that I posted have losing records. In the other bracket, a good number have losing records.

goomlah,

I think your a little off in your Niles West seeds, you have teams with 16 and 18 wins below a 12 win team. Here are the records (last I heard) and my guess at seeds

1) Loyola 18-8
2) New Trier 17-4
3) ND 15-6
4) GBS 16-9
5) Ridgewood 18-9
6) GBN 12-5-2
7) NN 12-10
8) Evanston 12-11

after that anything can happen I think. I think based on what I've seen and what I'm guessing that ND will be at GBN and beat them in the regional final.

My thinking was more losses then wins. I can't see Loyola with 8 losses being #1 over New Trier. And I had GBS's and GBN's records screwed up in my head. My only problem is I'm sure GBN would want to save Altbach for the 2nd round and he gave us fits the 1 time we played them (our only tie, 1-1 in their place).

Something also tells me Ridgewood hasn't played anyone great and probably will not receive a really high seed, regardless of record.

Look no further for the toughest sectional top to bottom. Before all of you come telling me how great your top teams are, let me make this concession. Some sections have better teams in the top two or three spots, but this sectional has more talent from one through eighteen than any other.

Hersey
St. Viator
Bartlett
Buffalo Grove
Glenbard North
Maine West
Elk Grove Village
Conant
Hoffman Estates
Prospect
Fremd
Palatine
Maine East
Maine South
Rolling Meadows
Lake Park
Schaumburg
Wheeling

A regional is actually earned here as opposed to some other places where a regional is merely a tuneup for real competition in the sectionals.

Pretty much the MSL Sectional. Only Barrington is missing. Ballyall, I guess you are a big fan of the MSL.

ballyall, that does look like a tough sectional from top to bottom. The Mundelein sectional is pretty tough too. It pretty much consists of the North Suburban Conference (Stevenson, Lake Zurich, Warren, Mundelein, etc) plus a few other nice ball clubs (Carmel, Deerfield, Grayslake, etc).

I know there's not too many people on this site from the Mundelein sectional, but any ideas on how the seeding will go?

Antioch
Deerfield
Fox Lake (Grant)
*Grayslake (H.S.)
Gurnee (Warren)
Highland Park
Lake Forest (H.S.)
Lake Villa (Lakes)
*Libertyville
*Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
*Mundelein (Carmel)
Mundelein (H.S.)
North Chicago
Round Lake
Vernon Hills
Wauconda
Waukegan (H.S.)
Zion (Z.-Benton)

Stevenson
Carmel
Grayslake


Didn't see Lake Zurich in the lsit, but if they are there, they will be a high seed.

after that, toss-up

My mistake, I assumed Lake Zurich was in the sectional since they were in it last year. It's kind of strange that they moved into our conference but out of our sectional.

Ktown, I agree that Mundelien looks quite difficult as well. good luck

Augustana College Sectional:

i dont know all the seeds, but i got some important ones

1. Limestone
2. Moline
3. Peoria Notre Dame
4. Alleman
5. Rock Island
10. United Township

after those i dont know.

Top Seeds at Lockport
1. Lockport
2. Joliet Cath
3. Minooka
4. Providence

Schaumburg Sectional
1.Elk Grove
2.Maine South
3.Prospect
4.Rolling Meadows
5.Palatine
6.Hoffman Estates
7.Maine West
8.Buffalo Grove
9.Hersey
10.Bartlett
11.Conant
12.Lake Park
13.Fremd
14.Schaumburg
15.Wheeling
16.Glenbrook North
17.St.Viator
18.Maine East

quote:

Originally posted by i'd tap that:
north central sectional

1. Benet
2. Naperville Central
3. Hinsdale Central
4. Glenbard West
5. Naperville North
6. Downers Grove South
7. Downers North
8. Wheaton - seems like the deepest sectional to me...although it lacks a st. rita or lt

I am confused. There is no such thing as a North Central Sectional. You are looking at the Super-Sectional, I believe.

The offical seeds have been posted - and my prediction in the Nazareth Sectional looks good.

1. St. Rita
2. LT
3. Nazareth
4. Morton
5. St. Laurence

The LT - Naz showdown is on.

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ba/tourney/2seed.htm

The sectional that we're in is a Nequa Valley sectional.

1. Naperville Central
2. Naperville North
3. Nequa Valley
4. Batavia?

The winner of this sectional would play the winner of the sectional w/ Benet and Hinsdale Central.

I guess Goom was right for once:

1. New Trier
2. ND
3. Loyola
4. GBN
5. GBS
6. Niles North
7. Evanston
8. Leyden
9. Niles West
10. Von Steuben
11. Ridgewood

It's an unusual occurence (me being right) but 4 losses will never be ignored by anyone, and New Trier deserves it.

My guesses are for rnd 2 as follows (assuming rnd 1 wins of course):
NT vs. Leyden/NW
ND AT GBS
Loyola vs. NN/Evanston
GBN vs. Evanston/NN

The pairings for the tourney are out - some very interesting matchups.

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ba/tourney/2pair.htm

The big suprise for me in the Niles West sectional was GBN being ahead of GBS. How is a 13-5 team is ahead of a 17-9 team when the team with more wins also won head to head?

These pairings are ridiculous. Lake Park who is 13-12 and a #12 seed is in a play in game. We have 18 teams in the sectional so a #17 St. Viator and #14 Schaumburg don't have to play in. The IHSA has some issues with their current system. I am sure there are others bad pairings that I haven't seen yet.

Several posters have posted their surprise at the seeds. Numerous things occur in these meetings. Not the least of which are:

Block Voting - Teams vote for their conference members over other teams. Often, this is a macho thing where one wants to feel that the conference they play in is superior to all others and so, they justify their vote.

Vote Trading - This occurs where teams who believe they are in the top 4 make deals with lesser teams to garner their votes. How it works is if Team A gets your vote, you'll make sure that Team L gets a high enough vote from Team A that they should escape a play in game. (Really, there are many scenerios to this.)

Ignorance - YUP, it happens. In our seed, one team voted us really poorly. They are from over 2 hours away. They have no idea who we play. It did hack me off but then again... (I want to now play them to dispell their ignorance.)

Voting The Setup! - Some teams are good at doing the math. If most of the teams are known, then they vote foes lower or higher in order to avoid playing them. At times, they vote higher in order to play them. I know one coach who is very astute at this.

Revenge - Yes, some teams vote teams down simply as a way of getting back for some incident that has occurred during the year.

There are others reasons/methods used as well but this will give you a hint as to what happens.

North suburban, I'll put it this way. I don't think ND wanted to face Altbach again, so This works out about as well as ND could have hoped for. I'll take ND over everyone in that sectional now and take the rubber match with OPRF.

If what Coach B says is true, the job of seeding should be taken away from the coaches. If they can't be objective and fair-minded they don't deserve the job.

Sure, then give it to the AD's who have less of an idea of what's going on.

The same thing happens in basketball etc. We could do like they do in Indiana and have a blind draw.

North Surburban Ball

It's easy. Even though GBS has more wins they also have 4 more losses. Even though they beat GBN, GBN gave New Trier their only loss so far in conference. It makes perfect sense to me!!

From the GBS view point getting the number five seed really hurts. To steal from Coach B I think any of us who have put our time and effort into the GBS program over the years are hacked off. I think one of the best things about the GBS program is the number of former players that often come back to watch games and I'm sure if ND and GBS play in the regional title game it will be in fornt of a huge crowd. Still having the number 5 seed compared to number 4 well it makes for more interesting game also makes the GBS road to the sectional harder. The facts no matter what anyone from GBN wants to say are this GBS beat GBN 7-1. GBS well they have more losses played more games overall. Playing more games means that you have use more pitchers. Well GBN can pitch guys like Altback, Hamman and King more often if they play only 8 non-conference games, GBS has to go deeper into the pitching staff because they played 16 non-con games. Now I know some GBN people might disagree with what I'm saying but I truly believe that you should not be punished for playing more games. Of course the fact is that its not GBN who voted GBS lower its the coaches that voted GBS lower in the seeds. The sad thing is that well GBN as the four seed gets to play a play in winner on Wendsday then the winner of Niles North vs Niles West. GBS has to play Ridgewood on Thursday then ND, if they beat 18-9 Ridgewood, on Saturady. The difference between the 4 and 5 seed in the Niles West sectional was huge, it really can't be understated.

North Suburban Ball


Of course you're correct. Head to head is a better indicator than common opponents and used exclusively in all major sports to set up the playoffs. I agree with GBsouth12 that by having a busier schedule required your team to use more pitchers or throw more innings than GBN. That should also have been taken into consideration. IMO, GBS got the short end of the stick.

If you wish to use the head to head competition argument, then really GBN should be the #1 seed. The beat the #1 seed (New Trier), tied the #2 seed (Notre Dame) and beat the #3 seed (Loyola). I am not saying that in actuality, GBN deserves the number 1 seed, but they would using the head to head argument that you describe. GBN beat some higher seeded teams but also lost to lower seeded teams. What I am saying is that it is really tough to come up with something that will satisfy everyone. I would imagine most teams think that they got screwed with the way the pairings turned out if you were to ask them.

Excuse me, maybe I am missing something here. Head to head means exactly that, in this case, GBN vs GBS. Your examples are only valid if your point is that GBN had more quality wins than GBS. I would not argue that because I simply do not know.However, all things being equal I would fall back on how the teams did when they played each other.

Hopperhop is right if you look at the pairings many many teams will say that they got screwed. GBSouth12 is also right in the sense that GBS beat GBN and overall season wise played more games and therefore used more pitching.

Noe I'm not going to say I know everything about the two teams but I saw both play this year and have followed them since they are both in the CSL. The fact is GBN has several good pitchers therefore they have an advantage playing less games. GBS is weaker on the mound, but to their credit they still play a very hard and as GBS12 said full non-conference slate and still did well. Overall I think GBS12 and Itsrosy are right GBS got the short end of the stick. Its not just head to head that makes me say that. I think that overall season performence has to be taken into account and if you play more games and play against good teams and win a good number of them that has to count.

Also looking at the NW Sectional I think ND could be the best team so that 4/5 seed was big because the 5 seed had to play ND. Still as Hopperhop said many teams might feel they got slighted this is just one case.

Can anyone please explain how the seeds match up. I don't get it. At first I assumed it would be a 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 format but know I am hearing different things. Assuming all the top seeds win how do the teams match up?

Goose,

Follow this link and it will give how all of the matchups work out.

http://www.ihsa.org/activity/ba/tourney/2pair.htm

Wow!How did Lake Park get hosed like this.The 14th and 17th seeded teams dont have to play a play in game but 12th ranked lake park does? Its a shame, due to the fact that at the beginning of the year team goals are to win the conference and post a good record to get a good seeding.Head to head we beat Schaumburg.Oh well you have to win to advance. My question to the voters is Deal or No Deal! LOL!