Sending The Barrel Rearward

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Originally posted by FlippJ:
Can someone clarify what is meant when it is said that a hitter is "sending the barrel rearward". Does it mean the hitter is literally forcing the barrel back towards the catcher before coming around to the ball? Or is it simply an observation about the direction the barrel appears to be going when the hitter starts bringing it around?

Thanks!

Jason

I too would like some clarification on this term.

A couple of REAL objective questioners have arrived.



How about a riddle.

Pick up a bat. Video yourself trying to make your barrel do what Ortiz's is doing.

Pay attention to the details.

With honesty the answer is obvious. If you're drunk on Kool Aid it won't be.

Chameleon,

If your intent is just to try and show how smart you think you are then please move on to a different thread. I'm not interested in being part of your little online popularity contest. I asked an honest question...

quote:

Can someone clarify what is meant when it is said that a hitter is "sending the barrel rearward". Does it mean the hitter is literally forcing the barrel back towards the catcher before coming around to the ball? Or is it simply an observation about the direction the barrel appears to be going when the hitter starts bringing it around?

Thanks!

Jason

chameleon,
Peaple are not looking for riddles here.
If you are looking for an ego boost by trying to make sincere posters(with questions) look bad than this is not the place. Go hang out in a titteee bar. I'm sure the girls will love your insults and dollar bills.

I like the stuff you post, but tone down the Ego

B

Tell me what you think.



Then I'll tell you what I think.

lol

I will take a stab, but if I am wrong you can only make fun of me for 5 minutes.

When the batter loads.

Good my 5 minutes are up.....I'm safe

I think about the same thing as you. Whats to talk about? A simple question was put to you. Why don't you answer it as simple as possible.

quote:

Originally posted by gunnersmom:
Good my 5 minutes are up.....I'm safe

I wanted to say something but didn't because of that avatar of yours.....I felt like I'd be piling on.

quote:

Originally posted by TripleDad:
I think about the same thing as you. Whats to talk about? A simple question was put to you. Why don't you answer it as simple as possible.

TripleDad,

They already know the answer.

Yes, Please leave my Yankees alone, I'm devasted enough..

gunnersmom

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When the batter loads.

I you in friggen outer space, "when the batter loads"....haha that is the furtherest thing from THE TRUTH I have ever heard....I have never heard such an assinine comment!! You should stick to gunning or whatever!! "When the batter loads" I can't wait to tell all my friends ..lol
When the batter loads....Is that some kind of javeline technique? huh... or maybe when the bowler loads.


Now there you feel better:


you know I kidding around...

Hey, leave her alone. She 'mothered' a catcher.

I take it all back.....However my wife mothered 3 catchers. She gets no slack!

I feel better now, my husband and son don't cut me slack either.

Anyway, what was the answer to the question.

Yes

Examples

quote:

Originally posted by gunnersmom:
I feel better now.

Good, now take your Yankee bruises and heal up for next year. Glad I could help

The answer to the question was, aaahhhh, I think the lizard has it, but won't give it up.

Cham-

Do you actually have an avatar of Marion Jones? I hadn't looked too closely on previous occasions, just thought you were a Condee Rice fan or something.

She's obviously been on 'the clear'.

The "moderator police" gave me that avatar.

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Originally posted by Chameleon:
The "moderator police" gave me that avatar.

LOL

I got a good chuckle from that one.

Hear that?

I do hear it...

Flipp and GFK, why not have the discussion?

I'm interested in what do you see?

Just another drive by, BlueDog.

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Or is it simply an observation about the direction the barrel appears to be going when the hitter starts bringing it around?

Flipp, what do you mean when you say, appears to be going?...Is there some doubt that the barrel is going other than back toward the catcher in your mind?

Chameleon - nice avatar!

Whoever took down my post, thanks a lot. Thanks to you I not only get to not see my post, which was tacky I'll admit, but I get to come back and see a bunch of people playing footsie with a chameleon.

quote:

Originally posted by Chameleon:
A couple of REAL objective questioners have arrived.



How about a riddle.

Pick up a bat. Video yourself trying to make your barrel do what Ortiz's is doing.

Pay attention to the details.

With honesty the answer is obvious. If you're drunk on Kool Aid it won't be.

Richard,
to get this barrell to react this way it takes very strong hands to get the barrell to rotate. Most hitters can't perform this.



Shocker,

quote:

Originally posted by Shocker:

quote:

Originally posted by Chameleon:
A couple of REAL objective questioners have arrived.



How about a riddle.

Pick up a bat. Video yourself trying to make your barrel do what Ortiz's is doing.

Pay attention to the details.

With honesty the answer is obvious. If you're drunk on Kool Aid it won't be.

Richard,
to get this barrell to react this way it takes very strong hands to get the barrell to rotate. Most hitters can't perform this.



Shocker,

I thought so too, but my son did it in one tee session.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Flipp, what do you mean when you say, appears to be going?...Is there some doubt that the barrel is going other than back toward the catcher in your mind?

Hi BlueDog!

I don't doubt that the barrel's path goes back/down towards the catcher as it comes around to the ball. But I don't think most high level hitters force this to happen unless they are making an adjustment. You can always find exceptions but that is my opinion. Ortiz is clearly forcing his barrel around in the clip posted, but he's also adjusting to an extremely inside pitch.

Here's a clip that will hopefully add to this discussion...



Does Edmonds' barrel go back/down towards the catcher as it comes around? I think so, but I don't think he's "forcing" it in that direction. Instead I think it's the result of how he unloads his upper body. I would argue that given an ideal situation (i.e. pitch type & location) most high level hitters keep the barrel up in their neck/shoulder slot until their upper body is in position to bring it around. This is what I see Edmonds doing.

Now... Can you answer my question about "sending the barrel rearward"?

Thanks!

Jason

Just curious....

The bat going towards the catcher. Is this something that happens automatically with a good swing where everything else is working well? Or is it something that is taught as part of a good swing?

Not sure I can see the reason for actually concentrating on this. If the hands and body are working correctly, wouldn't this just happen automatically?

One more ?... when saying the barrel goes to the catcher... what angle are we talking about or can it differ from one hitter to the next? Does it matter or is it just a description of something that happens?

BTW, I really like the "stretch", "rubberband", type thinking that is being discussed in this forum.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
Not sure I can see the reason for actually concentrating on this. If the hands and body are working correctly, wouldn't this just happen automatically?

PGStaff,

You and I are on the same page, but I don't know for sure what is meant by "sending the barrel rearward". That's why I asked. Hopefully BlueDog will give us the answer.

Jason

What They Don't Like You To See

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......I think it's the result of how he unloads his upper body.

Flipp, so do I......

Jason/Blue Dog,

I also believe it is a result of unloading the upper body, but I also think the hands are doing more than simply going along for the ride. Heresy, I know, but it's what I "see" in video and what I think I feel when swinging a bat.

Another one they don't want you to see.



What IS that top hand doing? lol

Only they can tell you when you've found the snipe.