what is the competition level you will be playing at?
Also unless I missed it--did he know what the situation was when he enrooled?
Trhit, I guess to answer your question when I was a senior in high school I really did not have the ability to play high level D1 and the schools I had the opportunity of playing at did not interest me at all, so I chose academics first and then to pursue baseball. Over the summer, I got my velocity up to high 80's and learned how to pitch. Also, the summer team I am playing on features many talented low level D1 players and some good Juco guys.
gametime
Thank you--that is is the info I was looking for
Thank you--that is is the info I was looking for
When this question was first asked, I did a search and saw that gametime has posted here several times over the past few years.
It appears to me, his decision where he went to school for his education was just if not more important than making the baseball team at another school and took chances of walking on.
Most of the discussion and FBI questioning could have been avoided by taking the time to so some research.
TR, you are always so quick to harp on about facts and doing research , but I see you didn't follow your own advice.
Regardless of "complications" I don't understand why he had to be drilled, he seems to know exactly what's ahead of him.
Gametime, I admire your statment about not wanting to transfer because of friends and relationships you have formed at your present school. You seem to realize there is a lot more to life than baseball but still feel that you want to give it another shot. You don't have to explain anything to anyone.
I give advice to you I would give my own son in your situation. You might go someplace where you might make the team, but find yourself in surroundings where you may not be as happy. Your education is VERY important, even more than making a college team, IMO. Stay where you are, get yourself ready and go for it. If you don't make it, at least you know you tried.
This is all what it is about, giving it your best shot.
Some more good touchy feelings coming your way.
It appears to me, his decision where he went to school for his education was just if not more important than making the baseball team at another school and took chances of walking on.
Most of the discussion and FBI questioning could have been avoided by taking the time to so some research.
TR, you are always so quick to harp on about facts and doing research , but I see you didn't follow your own advice.
Regardless of "complications" I don't understand why he had to be drilled, he seems to know exactly what's ahead of him.
Gametime, I admire your statment about not wanting to transfer because of friends and relationships you have formed at your present school. You seem to realize there is a lot more to life than baseball but still feel that you want to give it another shot. You don't have to explain anything to anyone.
I give advice to you I would give my own son in your situation. You might go someplace where you might make the team, but find yourself in surroundings where you may not be as happy. Your education is VERY important, even more than making a college team, IMO. Stay where you are, get yourself ready and go for it. If you don't make it, at least you know you tried.
This is all what it is about, giving it your best shot.
Some more good touchy feelings coming your way.
TPM
Read my posts and see where what I said--then come back an rail on me
I read what the young man posted and he answered--- after I asked--
what is the FBI BS-- you know you are trying to help but in most cases you don't
How is Sully?
Read my posts and see where what I said--then come back an rail on me
I read what the young man posted and he answered--- after I asked--
what is the FBI BS-- you know you are trying to help but in most cases you don't
How is Sully?
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
FOLKS
I still ask the questions to him and have no answers
Yes he should working toward his dream, wherein did I say he shouldn't?
BUT
What is the story? I like to deal in fact not suppositions and assumptions
Did he not ask for advice ?---maybe you can give advice without facts--I cannot--
Bottom Line--what is the full story?
It might be surprising, but maybe he doesn't feel the need to educate you.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM
Read my posts and see where what I said--then come back an rail on me
I read what the young man posted and he answered--- after I asked--
what is the FBI BS-- you know you are trying to help but in most cases you don't
How is Sully?
You have some definite issues. I am sure I am not the only one whose noticed lately.
I agree with Dad04 the young man doesn't have to give you or anyone else any explanations as to his statement.
What does Sully have to do with this discussion?
BTW, don't talk about the help I try to give but don't, please point out where in this post you helped gametime?
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
gametime
Thank you--that is is the info I was looking for
But you do have to admit, once TR got the info he was "looking for," he did provide some thoughtful insights and guidance to gametime24, as we all thought he might.
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
gametime
Thank you--that is is the info I was looking for
But you do have to admit, once TR got the info he was "looking for," he did provide some thoughtful insights and guidance to gametime24, as we all thought he might.
INF,
If possible could you quote that as I have read over this post 3 times and I can't seem to find it.
I don't think anyone else can either.
If there are no intentions of helping when a young man asks for advice, why ask those questions?
TR you were simply trolling for data to slam the kid with. Take it outside.
the kid is in between a rock & a hard spot ...
(from his description) he seems to have a work ethic enough to improve, however UK (or any upward moving program) would be able to recruit & prefer hs seniors with a similar skill level but being a few yrs younger THUS being able to commit more yrs to their program - AND ATTRACTING MORE TOP HS SENIOS
face it: landing the area's best hs SENIORS does waaay waaay more for a program in the long term than accepting an upperclass walk-on equivalent
face it II: in life ... ya can't have everything
if you're at a top academic school, who's also top 25 in baseball & they don't want you on the field ... then - it is what it is - - - you adjust
as for TR trolling?
I love him anyway (figuratively only
)
PS- keep the ball cap on, & pull in waaay down
(from his description) he seems to have a work ethic enough to improve, however UK (or any upward moving program) would be able to recruit & prefer hs seniors with a similar skill level but being a few yrs younger THUS being able to commit more yrs to their program - AND ATTRACTING MORE TOP HS SENIOS
face it: landing the area's best hs SENIORS does waaay waaay more for a program in the long term than accepting an upperclass walk-on equivalent
face it II: in life ... ya can't have everything
if you're at a top academic school, who's also top 25 in baseball & they don't want you on the field ... then - it is what it is - - - you adjust
as for TR trolling?
I love him anyway (figuratively only
)PS- keep the ball cap on, & pull in waaay down
Are the odds against him, possibly.
But...if Clemson University took a college senior walk on in 2007, I don't see why any other school wouldn't consider it?
Actually, here's another viewpoint, few freshman players entering for the first time with a one year sit out rule if things don't go well will think twice about the walk on situation.
Might just have an opportunity available for that reason alone. An extra arm is always needed.
But...if Clemson University took a college senior walk on in 2007, I don't see why any other school wouldn't consider it?
Actually, here's another viewpoint, few freshman players entering for the first time with a one year sit out rule if things don't go well will think twice about the walk on situation.
Might just have an opportunity available for that reason alone. An extra arm is always needed.
quote:Actually, here's another viewpoint, few freshman players entering for the first time with a one year sit out rule if things don't go well will think twice about the walk on situation.
New scholly limits, the new roster limits and the "condensed" schedule have put a high premium on pitching. Team ERA's are up this year all over the place. An arm next year is worth more than this year, which is worth more than an arm last year.
if you're saying that was a great move on their part? ... I'll encourage 'em to keep it up ..quote:by TPM: if Clemson University took a college senior walk on in 2007, I don't see why any other school wouldn't consider it?
(btw, your example just shot down the kid's case
)
raaaar 
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quote:Originally posted by Bee>:if you're saying that was a great move on their part? ... I'll encourage 'em to keep it up ..quote:by TPM: if Clemson University took a college senior walk on in 2007, I don't see why any other school wouldn't consider it?
(btw, your example just shot down the kid's case
Why did it shoot down his case? You stated they might prefer a younger player, that may not always be the case. BTW, this player got an opportunity because another player got hurt and would be out the season. "Complications"
happen and sometimes for the better.BTW, this player played on the club team, maybe something gametime could consider if they have a team.
Actually TR has made this interesting and got people to enter the disscussion that might not have. Sifting through all the posts there is some good points. I agree with TPMs points about there is more to college than BB. It took awhile but some great advice.
quote:Actually TR has made this interesting and got people to enter the disscussion that might not have.
That is one way of looking at it
and everyone is entitled to an opinion. My view is this turned out to be a great discussion in spite of TR, as do, unfortunately, so many on this site.
infieldad
I do not know about you but I do not consider discussion/debate good unless you have all the facts---the young man came forward and explained the "complications, as he termed them.
All too many want to offer their opinions/advice without having any idea with regard to ALL the facts
As for the troll aspect dad04 has not inkling as to what really is going on here.
Regarding the kid being where he is it seems to be his own doing by enrolling in a school that did not have the opportunities for him---he apparently went because of friendships--- one needs to take of himself/herself before anything else--apparently he didn't---
I do not know about you but I do not consider discussion/debate good unless you have all the facts---the young man came forward and explained the "complications, as he termed them.
All too many want to offer their opinions/advice without having any idea with regard to ALL the facts
As for the troll aspect dad04 has not inkling as to what really is going on here.
Regarding the kid being where he is it seems to be his own doing by enrolling in a school that did not have the opportunities for him---he apparently went because of friendships--- one needs to take of himself/herself before anything else--apparently he didn't---
TR, PGstaff, for one, offered very, very good advice and support before "all" the facts were available.
Even when all the "facts" were in, I could not find a post from you on what they meant or the advice being sought about trying to walk-on as a sophomore at a top ranked program in DI baseball.
Just my view, but this is a game, not rocket science.
For this young player to take on this task, he needed to understand it was a longshot, like the lefty I referenced who was one of more than 50 at the CA DI who tried to walk on as a transfer junior and was the only one who made it, but is now a weekend starter and has been drafted once and will be against this year.
That means more than 49 did not make it.
It means this pitcher needs to realize he has to be better next Fall than he was last Fall, and he needs to be better than all the schollie players present in the Fall.
Even then he still might not make it.
If you have been around college baseball and the process, the variables involved can help provide thoughts and guidance. But there are no answers any of us could offer. gametime24 was seeking thoughts and guidance and he got some great input.
Now he knows the risks, the upside, the downside and most of the odds, which are against him, and has an offer of some assistance from PGstaff...and you have the "facts."
Even when all the "facts" were in, I could not find a post from you on what they meant or the advice being sought about trying to walk-on as a sophomore at a top ranked program in DI baseball.
Just my view, but this is a game, not rocket science.
For this young player to take on this task, he needed to understand it was a longshot, like the lefty I referenced who was one of more than 50 at the CA DI who tried to walk on as a transfer junior and was the only one who made it, but is now a weekend starter and has been drafted once and will be against this year.
That means more than 49 did not make it.
It means this pitcher needs to realize he has to be better next Fall than he was last Fall, and he needs to be better than all the schollie players present in the Fall.
Even then he still might not make it.
If you have been around college baseball and the process, the variables involved can help provide thoughts and guidance. But there are no answers any of us could offer. gametime24 was seeking thoughts and guidance and he got some great input.
Now he knows the risks, the upside, the downside and most of the odds, which are against him, and has an offer of some assistance from PGstaff...and you have the "facts."
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
All too many want to offer their opinions/advice without having any idea with regard to ALL the facts
This is a good point that this thread actually illustrates to me personally. I tried to point out the risks involved because I know the school and the particulars involved in walking on at his school as well as many players on the roster. Ordinarily I probably would have said "absolutely go for it". In this case I didn't as it does make a difference when we know a little more information... it's just that sometimes some of us go about that in a manner that doesn't appear to be very friendly.
Feelings and emotion do not necessarily evidence themselves on a cumputer screen
TR,
I really don't think your last paragraph about this young man is fair. "Regarding the kid being where he is it seems to be his own doing by enrolling in a school that did not have the opportunities for him---he apparently went because of friendships--- one needs to take of himself/herself before anything else--apparently he didn't---"
The purpose of this site is to help, inform, and encourage. Your comments sound judgmental and blaming. I'm not trying to pick on you, but when you make comments like the above and the rest of us look the other way, then in some ways it looks like we agree with your comments.
This young man (gametime24) took a chance as a walk-on, but it sounds like he took a reasonable risk that came close to paying off. It's not a situation where he showed up for Fall tryouts/practices and was out of his league. He almost made the team on his first try. Now he is asking for opinions on whether it makes sense to try again next Fall. I don't think gametime24 said he chose this school because of friendships. But he is reluctant to transfer because of ties to the school, and friendships he has developed. It is a mature trait to be willing to stick with a situation through disappointments and give it another chance, to try again to succeed. I don't know whether that will be the best choice for gametime24 or not. But I do applaud him for trying to make a well thought out and well informed decision.
Julie
I really don't think your last paragraph about this young man is fair. "Regarding the kid being where he is it seems to be his own doing by enrolling in a school that did not have the opportunities for him---he apparently went because of friendships--- one needs to take of himself/herself before anything else--apparently he didn't---"
The purpose of this site is to help, inform, and encourage. Your comments sound judgmental and blaming. I'm not trying to pick on you, but when you make comments like the above and the rest of us look the other way, then in some ways it looks like we agree with your comments.
This young man (gametime24) took a chance as a walk-on, but it sounds like he took a reasonable risk that came close to paying off. It's not a situation where he showed up for Fall tryouts/practices and was out of his league. He almost made the team on his first try. Now he is asking for opinions on whether it makes sense to try again next Fall. I don't think gametime24 said he chose this school because of friendships. But he is reluctant to transfer because of ties to the school, and friendships he has developed. It is a mature trait to be willing to stick with a situation through disappointments and give it another chance, to try again to succeed. I don't know whether that will be the best choice for gametime24 or not. But I do applaud him for trying to make a well thought out and well informed decision.
Julie
OMG,
Where are those Post-It Notes, when your really
need one?
Do NOT enter unless you have the frank and beans!
There is just not enough testosterone sometimes,
and especially this thread.
Bottom Line: Walk-On's, even should they make a ball club (which is rare), are winners in my book! (And I would hire them, if qualified, on that fact alone.)
Where are those Post-It Notes, when your really
need one?
Do NOT enter unless you have the frank and beans!
There is just not enough testosterone sometimes,
and especially this thread.
Bottom Line: Walk-On's, even should they make a ball club (which is rare), are winners in my book! (And I would hire them, if qualified, on that fact alone.)
There is no risk here. The guy doesn't want to change schools. Risk only occurs when you have something to lose. He will be no worse off than he is now so there is 0 risk.
I thought TPMs advice was on the money for this guy. Why get into the other stuff about recruiting classes etc when all players face that every year even when on the squad. He will always wonder what might have been if he didn't try. Under the facts as we know them he should try even though the odds are great against him. People do win ;ottos.
I thought TPMs advice was on the money for this guy. Why get into the other stuff about recruiting classes etc when all players face that every year even when on the squad. He will always wonder what might have been if he didn't try. Under the facts as we know them he should try even though the odds are great against him. People do win ;ottos.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
There is no risk here. The guy doesn't want to change schools. Risk only occurs when you have something to lose. He will be no worse off than he is now so there is 0 risk.
I thought TPMs advice was on the money for this guy. Why get into the other stuff about recruiting classes etc when all players face that every year even when on the squad. He will always wonder what might have been if he didn't try. Under the facts as we know them he should try even though the odds are great against him. People do win ;ottos.
BHD, that is easy for us to say.
We are not going to be the ones doing 2 to 2 1/2 hours per day of conditioning this summer, nearly every day, on top of the baseball related activity.
That is equally easy to say since we won't be the ones getting up at 5am when school starts to do weight training, and making the sacrifices that we all know happens with baseball players in college.
This site can be very funny at times.
On this thread we have many cheering gametime24 to become one of those to chase the "dream" and be that one who is the exception. There is certainly much to be gained by the process no matter how it finalizes.
On the other hand, in the golden threads section, we have an equal number cheering HeyBatter's son who decided he did not want to pursue baseball any further in college and has achieved much after he made those decisions. There was much to be gained by his process also.
If I am the one running the sprints and gassers, doing the lifting and everything that will be required over the next 4 or so months, getting up at 5am for lifting, and walking out on the first day in the Fall, I am committing 110% physically and mentally with likely less than a 5%, if that, chance of getting where I want.
When you are making decisions of the type both gametime24 and HeyBatter's son's face, I don't think we need to tell them what to do. We can help them with what is involved. Life is a series of choices that involve risks of success and failure. If you commit 110%, baseball can still end up with life experience results and huge disappointments.
Only gametime24 can know whether he is willing to risk 110% effort and dedication for the next several months in light of the small percentage of successful outcomes.
I fully agree with Julie that gametime24 seems bright and will make the best decision for him.
I wish him the very, very best.
gametime24 said: TRhit, to answer your question the complications were that the team already had 18 scholarship pitchers this year and chose not to end up taking a walk-on this year. They reccomended I pursue a transfer elsewhere at a D-1 but I chose not to, if that answers some questions.
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Only you know the truth of your chances to make this team. My suggestion is play at a lower level D2 or D3 school and help out a team that could really use your pitching skills at your current level. There are many great schools that will get you ready to be a lawyer...your time to play baseball is now while you're young, don't waste these precious years equivocating and trying to force a round peg into a square hole.
JMO
_______________________________________________________
Only you know the truth of your chances to make this team. My suggestion is play at a lower level D2 or D3 school and help out a team that could really use your pitching skills at your current level. There are many great schools that will get you ready to be a lawyer...your time to play baseball is now while you're young, don't waste these precious years equivocating and trying to force a round peg into a square hole.
JMO
good post infielddad. A student athlete asking a question looking for assistance with decision making deserves the requisite credit for getting where he is. He is looking forward and certainly has the ability to analyze where he has been without rehashing the past in a public setting. To interrogate him, lecture him and treat him like a 5 year old is demeaning and patronizing. It creeps me out. To sit and judge some athlete from a keyboard takes no skill.
The decision is his and there is great risk involved, whether he makes the team or not. For one thing, if he makes the team 40-50 hours a week next spring is all baseball, with 5-10 of it on a bus. Make sure you really love the game.
The decision is his and there is great risk involved, whether he makes the team or not. For one thing, if he makes the team 40-50 hours a week next spring is all baseball, with 5-10 of it on a bus. Make sure you really love the game.
I think any of us who have played sports understand the work load and the discipline required to play that sport.I assume he asked the question with full knowledge of what is required.
quote:I assume he asked the question with full knowledge of what is required.
And where were the "facts" for that??
I took the liberty of gleaning that from the fact that he was a college prospect. Not a huge jump. 
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
I think any of us who have played sports understand the work load and the discipline required to play that sport.I assume he asked the question with full knowledge of what is required.
I agree. Plus, he already stated he tried out for the team last year, and played in the fall and seems to know what's expected to try out again. I don't think he needed lectures on what to expect and not expect.
I also interpreted that he never said he went there because of friends, he said that he had too many ties and friends to the university and this time. There are many players who in the past didn't transfer for those reasons, because that was what was important to THEM and they have no right to be made to feel any less than someone else because of those considerations.
He asked one simple question, "am I chasing a far fetch goal"? The "facts" were all presented in the first post, no need for inqusition, this was just a young man looking for some emotional support.
And even after questions answered, still no advice from TR. What was the poin? If you needed fact s to give an answer and got them, where is your sage "advice".
I agree the last comment about the "KID" was unfair, who also could have been referred to as gametime24 or player.
TR,
You ask questions and demand answers, how about answering my question asked to you?
Or that doesn't count?
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:
When you are making decisions of the type both gametime24 and HeyBatter's son's face, I don't think we need to tell them what to do. We can help them with what is involved. Life is a series of choices that involve risks of success and failure. If you commit 110%, baseball can still end up with life experience results and huge disappointments.
Only gametime24 can know whether he is willing to risk 110% effort and dedication for the next several months in light of the small percentage of successful outcomes.
I fully agree with Julie that gametime24 seems bright and will make the best decision for him.
I wish him the very, very best.
In case anyone wonders where some posts went, I deleted about 6 or 7 posts that were off-topic and a private disagreement that would be better handled elsewhere.
gametime24, you've received a lot of good "food for thought" in this thread. I hope you'll keep us updated on your decision.
Julie
gametime24, you've received a lot of good "food for thought" in this thread. I hope you'll keep us updated on your decision.
Julie