Show some respect

It's disrespectful and it's obvious their head coach has no control and their parents never taught their kids respect. Instead of getting all starry-eyed over their kids while they were growing up because they can play baseball and will do anything to keep them happy and playing, a little parenting along the way would've prevented this disgraceful behavior.

I agree. It is beyond rude and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Yes you are right coach. And I hope you guys took care of business on the field last night.

You are right Coach. If my kid were one of them, he would be in a heap of trouble right about now...from me and his coach.

Thanks guys and Coach May we did take care of business. Beat them 4 - 1 to end their season.

I was at a college game last month in Louisiana. About 3,000 there. It doesn't matter where anyone is when the Anthem starts, in that ball park, in the parking lot, on the steps, or in the restroom. Everyone and everything stops to pay tribute. It is very refreshing.

Don't have that problem at my kid's school.

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Originally posted by zombywoof:
It's disrespectful and it's obvious their head coach has no control and their parents never taught their kids respect. Instead of getting all starry-eyed over their kids while they were growing up because they can play baseball and will do anything to keep them happy and playing, a little parenting along the way would've prevented this disgraceful behavior.

I agree. It is beyond rude and they should be ashamed of themselves.

How does that show the Coach has no control? Maybe he's staring at the flag and not paying attention to them....I hope you judge yourself as harshly as that Coach you've never seen or heard of.

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Originally posted by bsballfan:

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Originally posted by zombywoof:
It's disrespectful and it's obvious their head coach has no control and their parents never taught their kids respect. Instead of getting all starry-eyed over their kids while they were growing up because they can play baseball and will do anything to keep them happy and playing, a little parenting along the way would've prevented this disgraceful behavior.

I agree. It is beyond rude and they should be ashamed of themselves.

How does that show the Coach has no control? Maybe he's staring at the flag and not paying attention to them....I hope you judge yourself as harshly as that Coach you've never seen or heard of.

Coach...the OP is another coach.

point remains...i seriously doubt anyone who has ever coached more than a day hasn't had a kid or 2 do something that they weren't proud of.

Doesn't mean the coach doesn't share some of the responsibility for bad behavior by his players.....

He does have some responsibilty!...They're his players and they are a reflection on him!

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Originally posted by bsballfan:

How does that show the Coach has no control? Maybe he's staring at the flag and not paying attention to them....

This is possible. I remember my son crawling in the door after football practice one night.

"What happened to you?"

"Practice (was brutal) today. All we did was run hills and the sled. I'm beat."

"Wow, what did you guys do?"

"Coach said somebody complained that guys were talking and squirming around during the National Anthem, Friday night. He showed us the film and said, 'this will never happen again'."

"Well, whoever complained was right. * You guys should know better."

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
point remains...i seriously doubt anyone who has ever coached more than a day hasn't had a kid or 2 do something that they weren't proud of.

I won't disagree with this but in this situation this is the first round of the playoffs. Both teams have played around 24 some games. I doubt this was the first time they were doing this. We tell our guys before the first game that during the anthem they will stand at attention and represent themselves, parents, team and school in a classy manner. We've NEVER had a problem with this in the three years I've been at this school. It's preventative maintenance and our job to teach / show them how to act in certain situations.

Now one thing that might help is we are located very close to Camp Lejeune. Our school / team has many students / players who have family in the military so they have a good head start in how to act.

Kids are going to do dumb things but we as teachers, coaches and parents need to be proactive instead of reactive.

This is a particular pet peeve of mine, as well as my husband's.

He served active duty in the Marine Corps for the first years we were married. He has since coached our son through youth ball and there was one particular game where the entire team ran 6 full laps after the game (they were about 12 at the time). He had read them the riot act for disrespecting our country by their behavior during the national anthem. He also explained that he took it as a personal insult because he had protected their freedom. They never did it again.

Fast forward - our son is now a 2013 playing varsity. Earlier this week a color guard came out onto our opponent's field and during the national anthem I noticed that the boys my husband had coached nearly stood at attention throughout the piece. Others, however, shifted their weight, looked around a little, etc., but at least no spitting.

The worst offender by far, however, was our assistant coach. He was blowing bubbles.

Talking? Spitting? Beyond rude.

IMO, it is rude to not put your hand/hat over your heart. Nothing ticks me off mor eto watch guys with their hands behind their back while the National Anthem is being played.

What about the parents? My son would feel my eyes drilling a hole in his back if he did that. We've been going to games together a long time, and he knows what to do when the National Anthem is played. If he forgot, then he would be handing over his car keys and riding the school bus again.

Blame the coach if you want, but teaching your kid to respect the flag and the National Anthem is a parent's job.

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Originally posted by bsballfan:
point remains...i seriously doubt anyone who has ever coached more than a day hasn't had a kid or 2 do something that they weren't proud of.

Yeah...just let it go....

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Originally posted by bsballfan:

How does that show the Coach has no control? Maybe he's staring at the flag and not paying attention to them....I hope you judge yourself as harshly as that Coach you've never seen or heard of.

By not getting on his team before that incident. If these players acted like that during the anthem, it's likely they acted before and the coach let it go. So yea, it's on the coach. If it were my players acting like that, it would be the first and last time they'd pull any nonsense like that.

I will judge myself as harshly as the coach I never heard of because I never acted that way nor would I let a team I ran act that way either.

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point remains...i seriously doubt anyone who has ever coached more than a day hasn't had a kid or 2 do something that they weren't proud of.

Of course..Who hasn't. But that's part of the coach's job is to straighten out these players or at least bring it to their attention that they won't put up with nonsense. Kids will push the envelope as far as you allow them to. If you let it go as "boys will be boys", then they'll keep pushing that envelope. If you have respect and control of your team, then you probably got your message across and don't have that problem again in the future.

I have a story. A few years ago son was at Junior Legion play-off game. First time in this situation. The color guard enters field with both teams down the foul lines. The majority of both teams had no idea of what to do. Talking, moving around. I would say 50% even had there hats on when the National Anthem was played. I was stunned.
Look around the next time you are dining, see how many boys and men are in doors hearing hats. This was taught to my generation form the get go. When you enter a building you remove your hat. When did we lose this. I'm sorry this is getting personal. It starts at home.

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Originally posted by coach2709:
Maybe I'm too sensitive but something happened in tonight's game that irritated the heck out of me. Both teams were announced and standing in the field awaiting the national anthem. We had a gentleman come out and sing a beautiful rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. During the entire song the other team was lined up on the 3B line and it seemed like every one of their players were spitting rather loudly. The fans couldn't hear them but if you were on the field you could. How hard is it to stand there at attention, not fidget, not spit, not talk or do anything?????

Earlier in the season we played a team where several of the other team were actually talking. It was beyond rude.

Am I right in thinking this is irritating?

This is not an issue. Remember that teenage boys are not the smartest people on earth.

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How does that show the Coach has no control? Maybe he's staring at the flag and not paying attention to them....I hope you judge yourself as harshly as that Coach you've never seen or heard of

I heard Jim Schlossnagle (TCU) talk about "winning the National Anthem" during a coaches' clinic, last year. He stresses that his players show the utmost respect to our country during the Anthem (standing at attention, no talking, spitting, etc., left hand behind their back, right hand, cap in hand, over their heart). He said his kids will come off the field saying, "we won that one," immediately after the song is played. His kids feel that, at least mentally, they are already 1-up.

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Very interesting.



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Originally posted by Sdlefty:

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Originally posted by coach2709:
Maybe I'm too sensitive but something happened in tonight's game that irritated the heck out of me. Both teams were announced and standing in the field awaiting the national anthem. We had a gentleman come out and sing a beautiful rendition of the Star Spangled Banner. During the entire song the other team was lined up on the 3B line and it seemed like every one of their players were spitting rather loudly. The fans couldn't hear them but if you were on the field you could. How hard is it to stand there at attention, not fidget, not spit, not talk or do anything?????

Earlier in the season we played a team where several of the other team were actually talking. It was beyond rude.

Am I right in thinking this is irritating?

This is not an issue. Remember that teenage boys are not the smartest people on earth.

At Jim Evans Academy, Jim insisted all umpires know and demonstrate proper etiquette and respect for the flag. He instructs where and how to stand at the plate for the National Anthem and even simple flag presentations. Hat remains off (salute continues for military men) until the flag exits the field.)

Last week at a play-off game, during the National Anthem, I saw a team that obviously didn't know how to act. At the home plate end of their team line-up, three coaches chatted amongst themselves throughout the anthem.

It isn't just the kids.

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Originally posted by Sdlefty:
This is not an issue. Remember that teenage boys are not the smartest people on earth.

So this isn't an issue because they're not that smart???? When does it become an issue? When do you teach them to have proper respect for our country, flag and everyone who makes America great? Don't teach it to them now (preferably sooner) then they will never learn it to pass it on to their kids.

Yes this is an issue and I'm sorry you don't get it.

X2 coach2709

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Hat remains off (salute continues for military men) until the flag exits the field.)

Funny thing is, salutes to the colors were not authorized for military personnel out of uniform until a few years ago.

Redbird, I asked my HS son about this. He learned in elementary school that you don't salute during the National Anthem unless you are/were in the military. That was correct at that time. I did a little digging and it appears that this topic was first adressed in congress in 2007 and I found this, on 2/1/10, 36 USC Sect 301, you now are supposed to remove your hat and hold it over your left shoulder, so that your right hand would be over your heart. Here is the quote (most baseball players would fall in "1-C"):

Sec. 301. National anthem

-STATUTE-
(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and
music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national
anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed -
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at
the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present
but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner
provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand
at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not
in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand
being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the
flag were displayed.

-SOURCE-
(Pub. L. 105-225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110-417,
[div. A], title V, Sec. 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Hat remains off (salute continues for military men) until the flag exits the field.)

Funny thing is, salutes to the colors were not authorized for military personnel out of uniform until a few years ago.

Why is that funny?

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Originally posted by keewart:
Redbird, I asked my HS son about this. He learned in elementary school that you don't salute during the National Anthem unless you are/were in the military. That was correct at that time. I did a little digging and it appears that this topic was first adressed in congress in 2007 and I found this, on 2/1/10, 36 USC Sect 301, you now are supposed to remove your hat and hold it over your left shoulder, so that your right hand would be over your heart. Here is the quote (most baseball players would fall in "1-C"):

Sec. 301. National anthem

-STATUTE-
(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and
music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national
anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed -
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at
the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present
but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner
provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand
at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not
in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand
being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the
flag were displayed.

I learned much the same when I was in in elementary school. One part of this that has gone by the wayside is: " and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

Instead, most everyone places their hat/cap over their heart with the hand being much lower.

In school, many moons ago, we only put our hand over our heart for the Pledge. Now, you do it for both Pledge and Anthem.

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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:
In school, many moons ago, we only put our hand over our heart for the Pledge. Now, you do it for both Pledge and Anthem.

Really? In old black and white clips I see the men, in suits and wearing hats, stand, remove their hats and hold them over their heart during the National Anthem. Maybe you're talking pre 40's?

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Why is that funny?

Not ha-ha funny--you get what I'm saying. The appropriate Act of Congress has been cited.

I got an ***-chewing from my wife for not saluting during a playing of the National Anthem a few years ago and no amount of logic would convince her I was right. For some reason, wives outrank NCOs.

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Originally posted by badballer:
Look around the next time you are dining, see how many boys and men are in doors hearing hats. This was taught to my generation form the get go. When you enter a building you remove your hat. When did we lose this. I'm sorry this is getting personal. It starts at home.

That's right- no hats, bats, sticks, or Cowboys jerseys * in our house. Shirts must be worn at all times while inside, outside as well, if eating at a table. (popsicle on beach is permitted)

*you will be asked to leave premises

They seem to take pride in their anthem

respect the anthem

Coach2709
I agree with you 100%

Some reasons (not excuses) why stuff like this happens. The pledge or anthem are not done regularly in school anymore. (This comment is not meant to say the schools should be teaching everything, we used to do it everyday at the schools I went to) Somewhere somehow some segments of our society have deemed it offensive to fly our flag or that it will offend someone if we show honor and respect for our country. That is the saddest part.

Springtime at West Point, 6 p.m. is the daily flag retirement. A cannon is fired, then a bugle plays (about 30 seconds) while the flag is lowered. Everyone within eyeshot or earshot immediately stops what they are doing and stand at attention towards that area.
This is done at the baseball field also...no matter where they are at in the game. Players begin yelling "RETREAT!", then all ceases...caps and gloves are laid on the ground. Even the opposing team participates (and I believe feel honored to do so). (This past weekend, it happened during postgame handshake line.) Truly, a cool tradition that "gets me" every time.

If someone needs some reasons to respect the flag, here they are....

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Originally posted by keewart:
Redbird, I asked my HS son about this. He learned in elementary school that you don't salute during the National Anthem unless you are/were in the military. That was correct at that time. I did a little digging and it appears that this topic was first adressed in congress in 2007 and I found this, on 2/1/10, 36 USC Sect 301, you now are supposed to remove your hat and hold it over your left shoulder, so that your right hand would be over your heart. Here is the quote (most baseball players would fall in "1-C"):...

Uhhh, you must have meant someone else. I never mentioned anything about saluting. Only those in the military should salute. With that being said, Navy personnel do not salute out of uniform while AF personnel do. (unless something has changed).

FWIW, I REALLY like the TCU approach. Classy, respectful and competitive.

Growing up I heard the national anthem before every school sports game and summer ball game I ever played. I don't think I've heard it at any of my kids sporting events except LL all-stars. In high school it's only played before boys varsity football and basketball.