Lamber - coming through with another well thought out response. LOL
Lets see now--it is the beginning of the season--- perhaps the coach wanted to see this kid who batted 7 times because maybe he was not the starting second sacker--- early on in the season coaches are still feeling their way in many instances--looking for that starting lineup for conference play
Apparently this was the only game of the weekend that got out of hand so that tells me something right there
You know folks --S**T happens every now and then
TRhit
Apparently this was the only game of the weekend that got out of hand so that tells me something right there
You know folks --S**T happens every now and then
TRhit
Wow S**T does happen!! TR and I are on the same side of a debate!! 
I agree with you guys.
That was S**t.
And it happened.
That was S**t.
And it happened.
38-0 must have been a long game for both teams and I can't imagine what it would feel like to be on the wrong side of that loss. Yikes!!!
It would be really tough even if it was a football game.
Its hard to reach any conclusions unless you were actually there. And I was not so all I can go on is the fact that Coach Tanner is a well respected coach and has never been accused of running up scores in the past. 38-0 says more about the quality of the opponent than the quality of the team that scored the 38. Maybe they should be carefull about who they schedule in the future. Do you actually think that the game would have been competitive if the bench had been emptied in the third inning. Lets see it would have been 27 - 0. Do you think the guys on the bench at USC are a bunch of scrubs? If you dont want to get embarrassed then dont play the big boys if you cant hang. I schedule the toughest non conference schedule I can every year. Sometimes we win sometimes we lose. And every once in a while we get hammered. I dont whine about the other team running up the score if it happens. I would be more offended if a coach took it easy on me. Beat the he** out of me if you can because I sure as heck am going to try to do the same thing to you. I would never intentionally run the score up on anyone. But sometimes you get on a roll against an inferior opponent and it just gets out of hand. What are you supposed to do tell your guys to quit? Coach Tanner is a quality coach and a quality person. I would be willing to bet that it just got out of hand and the opponent was just way inferior.
Hey Coach, and BEEN,
Haven't heard anyone from CS complaining about running it up. It happened. Last year CS Played USC 3X, won one, lost 2 late after being up by 3 or 4 runs. This year 3-2, and 3-0 Sandwiched the football game. CS generally plays a pretty tough schedule overall.
I am sure Coach Murphy or Coach Tanner were not happy with that outcome but it happened. They will both move on to the next series.
USC's bench probably could start at many of the other schools around the country too, so taking out the starters is not necesarily the answer either. CS has several very good players, but several vs 25-35 is quite a big difference. I would think most kids want to go to USC or Clemson (the big Elite State schools in the state) so the fact that they are rated in the top 10 and actually struggled in 2 or the 3 games, may still say more about the CS program being better than you think.
38-0 is one game (a bad one but ONE GAME!!!!)
There are still about 54 more games left.
Let's see what happens over the long run.
Haven't heard anyone from CS complaining about running it up. It happened. Last year CS Played USC 3X, won one, lost 2 late after being up by 3 or 4 runs. This year 3-2, and 3-0 Sandwiched the football game. CS generally plays a pretty tough schedule overall.
I am sure Coach Murphy or Coach Tanner were not happy with that outcome but it happened. They will both move on to the next series.
USC's bench probably could start at many of the other schools around the country too, so taking out the starters is not necesarily the answer either. CS has several very good players, but several vs 25-35 is quite a big difference. I would think most kids want to go to USC or Clemson (the big Elite State schools in the state) so the fact that they are rated in the top 10 and actually struggled in 2 or the 3 games, may still say more about the CS program being better than you think.
38-0 is one game (a bad one but ONE GAME!!!!)
There are still about 54 more games left.
Let's see what happens over the long run.
Pay a visit to the schedule and scores section on www.collegebaseballinsider.com and take a look at some of the scores--I think you will be surprised at the number of games with score differences of double digits. True none are 38-0 but there are a load of blow outs in the nth degree
TRhit
TRhit
Early on, a lot of smaller schools who are trying to develop their programs attempt to schedule games against the perenial nation powers, knowing the game MAY be a blow-out.
I believe they do this to make their schedule look more attractive to potential recruits.
Charleston Southern is a small liberal arts University with a total of 2800 students. I think USC has that many try out for football.
CS got their games against the big boys and played them tight 2 out of 3 games. They're probably satisfied. I don't think we need to comment on Coach Tanner's actions. We weren't there and we don't know what issues he's trying to resolve on this year's team before getting into SEC action.
I believe they do this to make their schedule look more attractive to potential recruits.
Charleston Southern is a small liberal arts University with a total of 2800 students. I think USC has that many try out for football.
CS got their games against the big boys and played them tight 2 out of 3 games. They're probably satisfied. I don't think we need to comment on Coach Tanner's actions. We weren't there and we don't know what issues he's trying to resolve on this year's team before getting into SEC action.
So many of you are missing my main point.
One player, a starter, had 7 at bats in the game. The score was 21-0 in the second inning. What was the point of this kid batting 7 times in a game? He was only drilled once. I would have drilled him every time he came up after the score was 21-0.
I just hope that one day someone gets an opportunity to do the same to SC and then BURIES 'em!
Enough said about any coach's coaching "style". Has nothing to do with style...it is called "no class".
One player, a starter, had 7 at bats in the game. The score was 21-0 in the second inning. What was the point of this kid batting 7 times in a game? He was only drilled once. I would have drilled him every time he came up after the score was 21-0.
I just hope that one day someone gets an opportunity to do the same to SC and then BURIES 'em!
Enough said about any coach's coaching "style". Has nothing to do with style...it is called "no class".
I can't judge USC's coach's thoughts or reasoning, but I recall years ago our high school team was beating a team pretty decent, my son came up with the bases loaded, and struck out with 3 ugly swings. When I asked him later what that was all about, he grinned and said the head coach, coaching third base, formed a "K" with his fingers (telling him to strike out).
Pretty classy move by the coach. Maybe USC's coach isn't as creative with his fingers.....
Pretty classy move by the coach. Maybe USC's coach isn't as creative with his fingers.....
HiHardHeat makes a good point.
The beating couldnt have affected CS that much because they did come back the next day and they played a good game.
The beating couldnt have affected CS that much because they did come back the next day and they played a good game.
There is now way that I, as a coach, tell my kids not to play hard much less strike out on purpose.
Now you are taking it the other way---which in my eyes is even worse than what Beenthere is crying about.
TRhit
Now you are taking it the other way---which in my eyes is even worse than what Beenthere is crying about.
TRhit
Well, both sides of the issue can be seen here but TRhit seems to have the right track. You don't tell the bench players to slow down or the starters not to do everything within their power not to lose their starting role. It doesn't matter what the score was!! There are some teams that no matter what you do, you can't give the other team enough lead to make it a close game. Beenthere, you may be right about the class situation, but you never know what the coach was thinking!! The starter that had 7 ABs could have been the worse batter that the coach could have put up against these pitchers. Hitters that hit for power are usually struggling against slower pitchers. Just a thought!! You really don't know who would have been coming into the lineup, could have been someone that would have made the score, 78 to 0, who knows!
By the way, this French signature line is just that, a signature line, not meant to be personal in anyway to anyone!! It basically says "I wish I knew as much as you think you know"!! A statement that my father used on me often!!
Je souhaite j'aie su qu'autant que vous pensez que vous savez
By the way, this French signature line is just that, a signature line, not meant to be personal in anyway to anyone!! It basically says "I wish I knew as much as you think you know"!! A statement that my father used on me often!!
Je souhaite j'aie su qu'autant que vous pensez que vous savez
TR...I'm not "crying" about anything. I can give as well as take.
What the guy did in this situation is "class less".
If I coached a team and he did that to me, he better have his steel cup in his jock and a football helmet on because you NEVER do that to kids!
What the guy did in this situation is "class less".
If I coached a team and he did that to me, he better have his steel cup in his jock and a football helmet on because you NEVER do that to kids!
Coach Tanner was wrong. Left his starters in too long.
3 hitter - Pearce DH, inserted at 3b about 7 inning 7AB
4 hitter - Powell (all american) moved from catcher to 1b about 6th inning. 6AB
5 hitter - Melillo replaced in 6th 5AB
6 hitter - Winn replaced in 6th 5AB
7 hitter - Campbell move LF to CF 7AB
8 hitter - Greg CF replaced in 6th 5AB
The mistake...Coach Tanner only carries about 18 position players. He must have been worried about what would happen if CS came back to tie it up. He would need these extra's for situational hitting...ya know right vs lefty!!!
It will come back to haunt him somewhere down the road...
3 hitter - Pearce DH, inserted at 3b about 7 inning 7AB
4 hitter - Powell (all american) moved from catcher to 1b about 6th inning. 6AB
5 hitter - Melillo replaced in 6th 5AB
6 hitter - Winn replaced in 6th 5AB
7 hitter - Campbell move LF to CF 7AB
8 hitter - Greg CF replaced in 6th 5AB
The mistake...Coach Tanner only carries about 18 position players. He must have been worried about what would happen if CS came back to tie it up. He would need these extra's for situational hitting...ya know right vs lefty!!!
It will come back to haunt him somewhere down the road...
I hope so, falcon.
I went to their site...
Powell, their All American was still playing in the 6th inning;
The kid that had 7 at bats, hit a grand slam in the 7th inning...and he played the entire game;
Another kid hit for the cycle in a meaningless game...I'll bet he's really proud!
The school set records for hits and largest margin of victory.
I just hope that someone gets a chance to bury SC this year and does it the same way!!
Shame on you SC!
I went to their site...
Powell, their All American was still playing in the 6th inning;
The kid that had 7 at bats, hit a grand slam in the 7th inning...and he played the entire game;
Another kid hit for the cycle in a meaningless game...I'll bet he's really proud!
The school set records for hits and largest margin of victory.
I just hope that someone gets a chance to bury SC this year and does it the same way!!
Shame on you SC!
Beenthere,
You are wrong on this one. You need to read coach may and trhits responses again - IMO.
You're coming across as a crybaby complainer and that's not what we teach our children when they lose. TNJMHO it's a fact!
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You are wrong on this one. You need to read coach may and trhits responses again - IMO.
You're coming across as a crybaby complainer and that's not what we teach our children when they lose. TNJMHO it's a fact!
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB!
I think this is the second time someone has posted an "opinion" is wrong. No it isn't, it's an opinion...His opinion...and his right to have it. Gees.
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I don't know that Beenthere is so wrong about this. I remember a time when my son's team beat another team 42 to 0 and I gotta tell ya...I was a little embarrassed leaving the park that day. I'm not so sure the SC game would have been a matter of encouraging the players to "quit" as some have suggested. If the starters were still in there in the late innings then I'd have to question the motive for that.
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Originally posted by Chill:
I think this is the second time someone has posted an "opinion" is wrong. No it isn't, it's an opinion...His opinion...and his right to have it. Gees.
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You are correct chill, he has every right to have an "incorrect opinion" as do we all. Thanks for coming to his rescue.
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CDTLB
I will refer you to your "mavens" post.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Agreed? Beenthere hardly needs me to come to the rescue.
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I will refer you to your "mavens" post.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Agreed? Beenthere hardly needs me to come to the rescue.
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Originally posted by Chill:
CDTLB
I will refer you to your "mavens" post.
_Everyone _ is entitled to their opinion.
Agreed? Beenthere hardly needs me to come to the rescue.
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Chill,
You brought it up not I. My opinion was that his was wrong. So thanks for supporting us both!
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Just some observations that I think need to be noted:
1. These are not young 8 year olds that need to have daddy protect them!! They are young men, some old enough to be drinking at the local pub, others certainly old enough to be picking up a rifle and standing abreast!!
2. I have never known any good player that made excuses when their team got blown away, it is usually done by less than average player or a parent on the blown away team!!
3. Coaches that spank other teams such as this usually have it thrown up in their face at some time during the season, "what goes, around comes around".
4. Everyone has a right to an opinion!
5. This topic is one that is usually divided along the lines of "fair play", "Class", the left, vs the right, conservative vs liberal, it has less to do about baseball and more to do about political views and where people stand in regards to earning vs giving!!
6. Both TRhit and Beenthere are both correct!!
Je souhaite j'aie su qu'autant que vous pensez que vous savez
1. These are not young 8 year olds that need to have daddy protect them!! They are young men, some old enough to be drinking at the local pub, others certainly old enough to be picking up a rifle and standing abreast!!
2. I have never known any good player that made excuses when their team got blown away, it is usually done by less than average player or a parent on the blown away team!!
3. Coaches that spank other teams such as this usually have it thrown up in their face at some time during the season, "what goes, around comes around".
4. Everyone has a right to an opinion!
5. This topic is one that is usually divided along the lines of "fair play", "Class", the left, vs the right, conservative vs liberal, it has less to do about baseball and more to do about political views and where people stand in regards to earning vs giving!!
6. Both TRhit and Beenthere are both correct!!
Je souhaite j'aie su qu'autant que vous pensez que vous savez
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Chill,
You brought it up not I. My opinion was that his was wrong. So thanks for supporting us both!
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB![/QUOTE]
Chicks,
Forgive me for saying so, but that sounds like more of a "judgement" and less of an "opinion" on your part. But, I could be wrong...in which case I know I can count on you and Chill to defend me if I am indeed wrong.
Disclaimer: This is an observation not to be confused with an opinion.
Chill,
You brought it up not I. My opinion was that his was wrong. So thanks for supporting us both!
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB![/QUOTE]
Chicks,
Forgive me for saying so, but that sounds like more of a "judgement" and less of an "opinion" on your part. But, I could be wrong...in which case I know I can count on you and Chill to defend me if I am indeed wrong.
Disclaimer: This is an observation not to be confused with an opinion.
Maybe the SC coach could have used this as an opportunity to work on his small ball. If he had I doubt SC would have scored 38. I have coached teams that have won by 25 runs and it was all we could do to keep it that close so I know this things can sometimes get out of hand. But with that said it is your opponents job to keep the score down so if anyone is to blame it is the coach and players of the losing team.
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Originally posted by twoseamer:
Chill,
You brought it up not I. My opinion was that his was wrong. So thanks for supporting us both!
Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB![/QUOTE]
Chicks,
Forgive me for saying so, but that sounds like more of a "judgement" and less of an "opinion" on your part. But, I could be wrong...in which case I know I can count on you and Chill to defend me if I am indeed wrong.
Disclaimer: This is an observation not to be confused with an opinion.[/QUOTE]
No problem twoseamer
If opinions are too harmful, I guess I could change my opinions to observations and maybe lighten the effect of the opinion.
BTW, I've got a question about that second round playoff game last season. I'm going to send you a PM.
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Okay Chicks.
"Opinions" aren't harmful all by themselves. But the way in which they are expressed may often seem harmful.
This site is doing what we all need for it to do: providing us with a forum to share our thoughts and opinions. This thread is just one of many where we have shared our differing views.
Is this a great country or what!!!
"Opinions" aren't harmful all by themselves. But the way in which they are expressed may often seem harmful.
This site is doing what we all need for it to do: providing us with a forum to share our thoughts and opinions. This thread is just one of many where we have shared our differing views.
Is this a great country or what!!!
It is an interesting discussion.
Given the following:
1) The Charleston Southern coaches attend many of the baseball camps at USC.
2) The two coaches in question know each other well and respect each other.
3) Charleston Southern beat USC last season and just finished playing a tight game the day before.
The question is: How do you show the other team your respect for them in a blow-out situation. Do you want to "call-off" the dogs or is that a worse insult to a friend and a fierce competitor?
CSU has a strong pitching staff for a small (abeit, very small) university. It's shown by the 3-2 and 3-0 loss to one of the best teams in the SEC. The 2nd game was an aberation and I would bet that USC's coach struggled over how to approach it during the game and still show his "friendly rival" that he respects him AND his program.
Guys ... my point is this. We just don't know enough. We may not like what we see in the box scores, but we don't have enough knowledge to form a true opinion.
Does the importance of the all-mighty RPI rankings force the necessity of pursuing blow-outs in order to increase your post-season opportunities? Is this game a result more of the ratings system used in college baseball?
I dunno .... just threw some ideas out that were in my head.
Given the following:
1) The Charleston Southern coaches attend many of the baseball camps at USC.
2) The two coaches in question know each other well and respect each other.
3) Charleston Southern beat USC last season and just finished playing a tight game the day before.
The question is: How do you show the other team your respect for them in a blow-out situation. Do you want to "call-off" the dogs or is that a worse insult to a friend and a fierce competitor?
CSU has a strong pitching staff for a small (abeit, very small) university. It's shown by the 3-2 and 3-0 loss to one of the best teams in the SEC. The 2nd game was an aberation and I would bet that USC's coach struggled over how to approach it during the game and still show his "friendly rival" that he respects him AND his program.
Guys ... my point is this. We just don't know enough. We may not like what we see in the box scores, but we don't have enough knowledge to form a true opinion.
Does the importance of the all-mighty RPI rankings force the necessity of pursuing blow-outs in order to increase your post-season opportunities? Is this game a result more of the ratings system used in college baseball?
I dunno .... just threw some ideas out that were in my head.
Beenthere,
They played 22 players! Maybe he didn't have anyone else. But, if he did so what. You talk about hitting the kid. Now that is BUSH! People can get hurt big time by you thinking it is alright to peg a hitter. Someday hitters are going to figure out that the bat can slip out of their hands and end up in the pitchers ear. Now won't that be fun to watch. Noone wins when you talk about pegging hitters. Get a life. The game is over and it is only one loss for CS in a 55 game season....
They played 22 players! Maybe he didn't have anyone else. But, if he did so what. You talk about hitting the kid. Now that is BUSH! People can get hurt big time by you thinking it is alright to peg a hitter. Someday hitters are going to figure out that the bat can slip out of their hands and end up in the pitchers ear. Now won't that be fun to watch. Noone wins when you talk about pegging hitters. Get a life. The game is over and it is only one loss for CS in a 55 game season....
Thank you SLIM. I said that very same thing earlier in th is thread. 1 in 55 or so. And I also think it is bushleague!!! Nothing wrong with pitching inside, but pitch with a purpose to set up your other pitches, not because a HR was hit...
OK:
A number of people have spoken about this game, none of whom were there. I was there, and I can tell you what happened. CSU got absolutely hammered. SC did not steal or bunt, etc. They just crushed the baseball. It was one of those nights (although I've never seen a night quite like it). I know that CSU was embarrassed by the blowout, but I also know that they were not whining about SC "running up the score." They took it, and they bounced back and played a highly competitive game the next day.
But I do think there was a tragedy and a lack of class shown by SC, not because of the score, but because of the playing conditions. The game was played after a 5 and a half hour rain delay. The outfield was absolutely drenched, and there were 4 or 5 spots of standing water out there. The CSU CF (their best position player by far) hurt his ankle going after a routine flyball when he fell in one of the lagoons in the OF. The fact that this game (and the next one) were played given the condition of the field is the tragedy here.
Coach Tanner showed no class and no concern for the well-being of the players on either side in allowing the game to be started in those conditions, and the umpires should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen. Players were slipping and falling all night, both sides are extremely fortunate that no one was seriously injured.
Shame on Coach Tanner for playing those games. But, I guess the all-powerful SC needs all the wins they can get, regardless who gets hurt.
A number of people have spoken about this game, none of whom were there. I was there, and I can tell you what happened. CSU got absolutely hammered. SC did not steal or bunt, etc. They just crushed the baseball. It was one of those nights (although I've never seen a night quite like it). I know that CSU was embarrassed by the blowout, but I also know that they were not whining about SC "running up the score." They took it, and they bounced back and played a highly competitive game the next day.
But I do think there was a tragedy and a lack of class shown by SC, not because of the score, but because of the playing conditions. The game was played after a 5 and a half hour rain delay. The outfield was absolutely drenched, and there were 4 or 5 spots of standing water out there. The CSU CF (their best position player by far) hurt his ankle going after a routine flyball when he fell in one of the lagoons in the OF. The fact that this game (and the next one) were played given the condition of the field is the tragedy here.
Coach Tanner showed no class and no concern for the well-being of the players on either side in allowing the game to be started in those conditions, and the umpires should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it to happen. Players were slipping and falling all night, both sides are extremely fortunate that no one was seriously injured.
Shame on Coach Tanner for playing those games. But, I guess the all-powerful SC needs all the wins they can get, regardless who gets hurt.
sen...If you are player who is batting for the 7th time in a game that is in the 7th inning with the score 33-0,and you've hit a grand slam the last time up...YOU ARE GOING DOWN.
...AND THE NEXT PITCH WILL BE THROWN AT THE GUY SITTING IN THE DUGOUT WHO SENT YOU UP TO THE PLATE TO BAT.
Bat pitchers, bat left, do anything....But you don't embarrass a kid or a team!!!!
...AND THE NEXT PITCH WILL BE THROWN AT THE GUY SITTING IN THE DUGOUT WHO SENT YOU UP TO THE PLATE TO BAT.
Bat pitchers, bat left, do anything....But you don't embarrass a kid or a team!!!!
EMBARRASS !!!
You ask a kid to throw at a guy sitting in the dugout and you have the brass to talk about EMBARRASSMENT !!!
John, I think you better get your priorities in order or possibly change the medicine you are on.
TRhit
You ask a kid to throw at a guy sitting in the dugout and you have the brass to talk about EMBARRASSMENT !!!
John, I think you better get your priorities in order or possibly change the medicine you are on.
TRhit
Tom,
I'm not and haven't been on any medicine in my life!
I'm fine.
By the way, I didn't mean that the pitcher should throw at the player on the bench...rather...at the coach on the bench.
I'm not and haven't been on any medicine in my life!
I'm fine.
By the way, I didn't mean that the pitcher should throw at the player on the bench...rather...at the coach on the bench.
Well then John perhaps you should get on some before you have a stroke over this thing.
Throwing at the opposing coach --I guess that is big in your state-- around here it gets a kid suspended for who knows how long
You teach some great things there in Chiland--yes you do
TRhit
Throwing at the opposing coach --I guess that is big in your state-- around here it gets a kid suspended for who knows how long
You teach some great things there in Chiland--yes you do
TRhit
IMHO There is never a situation in which it is acceptable to intentionally throw a baseball at anyone. Period. The world we live in is mean enough. I think a baseball could be catagorized as a deadly weapon in the right circumstances.
"There's no crying in baseball!"
"There's no crying in baseball!"
I think ya'll are in some serious need of games of your own.......
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Baseball lives at the center of a never-flagging whirl of irreconcilable opinions.
Been-
How about instead of drilling anybody you learn how to pitch to them? You've seen somebody 5 times in two innings and you still pitch so he can hit? Walk him, pitch around, do something! There is no way you can condone intentionally hitting anybody simply because they are better than you at the time! Like they say in baseball: Suck it up.
How about instead of drilling anybody you learn how to pitch to them? You've seen somebody 5 times in two innings and you still pitch so he can hit? Walk him, pitch around, do something! There is no way you can condone intentionally hitting anybody simply because they are better than you at the time! Like they say in baseball: Suck it up.