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Beenthere, I just think that it is very classless of you to bash USC like you are. You continually bash Tanner like you know him. If you do know him, I don't believe that he would appreciate how you are talking to him, and if you knew him, i believe you would eat your words. As I said in another thread, you cannot tell your players to stop hitting and scoring. Spare me!
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blazn... (Spare me!) Work on your originality in posting.

I don't have to know him and I don't care what you say or think.

At that place and at that time, based on what I've read about the situation, he should have called off the dogs in the 2nd inning!

Years ago, Tony Delgado, currently the coach at St. Francis in Joliet, Illinois, and a little league teammate of mine in the 1950's, played a team and pounded them 75-2 or 78-2. I picked up the phone and called him and asked about what happened. Found out the other team was using girls and starting their program and he only had 11 players travel to the game. He offered to stop at 25-2 but the coach insisted in playing the rest of the game.

I'm not bashing the coach for all time...As I've said, in this one game and in this one situation, in my opinion, it was wrong to let a kid get 7 at bats with the 7th being when the team was ahead 33-0!

Man, if you are a coach and you don't think that there is anything wrong with that, then there is nothing I can say.
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Beenthere, you should have "been there" at the game, or at least have some basic knowledge about S. Carolina, Charleston Southern, and the respective coaching staffs before you sail off on tangents about throwing at batters, throwing at coaches, and coaches being classless.

Coach Tanner and Coach Murphy are excellent friends. Tanner has even made it a point in the past to play an extra game on an open date away... at Chas. Southern... so that the Buccaneers could make some extra money. The games between these two teams are usually very tight... the Fri. and Sun. scores were 3-2 and 3-0. The Bucs have hung a loss on the Gamecocks more than once in the past. The Sat. score was an aberration.

As for replacing players when the score got out of hand, it's again obvious that you're clueless when it comes to knowledge of the Gamecock program. For starters, Carolina has several injured players right now, which limits their options at some positions. Who do you propose putting in the game at an earlier time? Fans? Neighbors down the street? You start yanking players out in the 2nd inning and have replacements get injured in cold, wet weather, you don't have any more options. I won't even go into the fact that half of the team is new, and needs to play to mesh with the returners.

Carolina's coaching staff tried to hold runners as much as possible to keep the score down. The bottom line is, in this game, the hitters flat out crushed the ball. The pitchers that Chas. Southern threw weren't "tomato cans", in fact, the starter beat Carolina last year. It just wasn't their day. noidea

I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion.... but there is a difference in an educated opinion and a misinformed opinion. Yours falls under the misinformed category. That's not entirely surprising, as you seem to have grown more pompous and bombastic in the last couple of years.

I'm sure that your precious Miss. State would NEVER have a high scoring game, would they? Wink
Some points.
Comparing this thrashing to one where a little league team with girls on it to a team would be totally un-appreciated by CSU and I am certain of that.
These are grown men on scholarship so they are better than your average players. It happens. I watched a program on the 1980 Hockey team yesterday, I bet the Soviets felt like they lost 38-0.
I think we just heard about the USC team status regarding injury.
Coaches don't determine if conditions are acceptable to play, i think that's the umps job.
Throwing at a Coach in the dugout or field of play probably would have cost a player his career, no matter what the circumstances.
Getting drilled by a pitcher is part of the game like it or not. You can never convince me that Gibson and Drysdale didn't control aspects of the game due to the knowledge by the opposing player may get one near the coconut if he crowded the plate. Alot of players refused to give in to either of them also. that's the beauty.
BeenThere must be the judge who let that idiot who attacked the KC 1st base coach in ChiTown last year off the hook with a hug and a slap on the rump on his way out of the pokey. Smile
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Originally posted by 2seamer:
Beenthere, you should have "been there" at the game, or at least have some basic knowledge about S. Carolina, Charleston Southern, and the respective coaching staffs before you sail off on tangents about throwing at batters, throwing at coaches, and coaches being classless.

Coach Tanner and Coach Murphy are excellent friends. Tanner has even made it a point in the past to play an extra game on an open date away... at Chas. Southern... so that the Buccaneers could make some extra money. The games between these two teams are usually very tight... the Fri. and Sun. scores were 3-2 and 3-0. The Bucs have hung a loss on the Gamecocks more than once in the past. The Sat. score was an aberration.

As for replacing players when the score got out of hand, it's again obvious that you're clueless when it comes to knowledge of the Gamecock program. For starters, Carolina has several injured players right now, which limits their options at some positions. Who do you propose putting in the game at an earlier time? Fans? Neighbors down the street? You start yanking players out in the 2nd inning and have replacements get injured in cold, wet weather, you don't have any more options. I won't even go into the fact that half of the team is new, and needs to play to mesh with the returners.

Carolina's coaching staff tried to hold runners as much as possible to keep the score down. The bottom line is, in this game, the hitters flat out crushed the ball. The pitchers that Chas. Southern threw weren't "tomato cans", in fact, the starter beat Carolina last year. It just wasn't their day. noidea

I realize that everyone is entitled to their opinion.... but there is a difference in an educated opinion and a misinformed opinion. Yours falls under the misinformed category. That's not entirely surprising, as you seem to have grown more pompous and bombastic in the last couple of years.

I'm sure that your precious Miss. State would NEVER have a high scoring game, would they? Wink


Where's Chill when you need her?

Knowledge is Power! Thank you Mavens and HSBBWEB!
2seamer...You have to get up pretty early in the morning to top some of these posts; and, apparently, you did...at 2:05 a.m.!!!

Don't care what the relationship with the coaches might be, you don't bury anyone like that...period!!!!!

I suppose the reason you comment about "several injured players" is because you think that the score might have been worse if the other players played. Right?

The 9 starters each batted at least 4 times in the game. That is shameful. What do you think the people would be saying if Powell was injured during once of his 5 times at bat playing in that "slop"? Do you know how easy it is to twist a knee?

One guy batted 7 times and another kid hit for the cycle. That is SAD!

I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are to yours. Apparently, based on your statements about the game, either you weren't at the game or you were munching on hot dogs with that special sauce. If you don't like my opinions about something, that is fine. From time to time, I may not like yours.

There is NO DOUBT in my mind, that Ron Polk at Mississipppi State would never pound anyone 38-0! (He certainly wouldn't let anyone bat 7 times in such a game or hit for the cycle in something so meaningless!)

He has way to much respect for the game to do such a thing to any team or coach. Try again.
To rebut "Fighting Squirrel"

The Head Coach of the home team decides whether the field is playable enough to start the game. The umpires have control of the game once the first pitch is thrown.

It was obvious that Coach Tanner wanted the game played regardless of the conditions, and even more obvious (and disgraceful) that the umpires were so intimidated by Tanner that they would not call the game due to unplayable conditions.

The conditions are not an excuse for what happened in the game, SC hammered the baseball, that would have happened on a dry night. I just thought it showed no concern for the athletes on the field to play the game on a lake.
I think we've demonstrated that ethics and sportsmanship are not always black and white/right or wrong issues. The eithics standards for coaches that I found are pretty dry, generic stuff with few specifics.

http://www.abca.org/leftnav/Bulletin%20Board/Sportsmanship,%20Values%20&%20Ideals%20Statement%20Final.pdf

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2004/2004_baseball_rules.pdf

http://www.nfhs.org/nfca/coachescode.htm

The thing to understand is every game is different and the score can often be very misleading. I would be interested in seeing more suggestions instead of dead end arguments!

Here's a few:

As a winning team, get the game over with. Don't let your defensive guard down and turn a 30-2 game into a 30-20 game.

On offense there are several ways to kill innings without intentionally striking out. Bunt back to pitcher, when it can be booked as a sac if possible. Have runners get caught in run-downs to end innings.

A lot of times its just a key out here to there to prevent another disastrous inning.
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Steve Pearce Named SEC Player of the Week!

Feb. 16, 2004

Columbia, S.C. - South Carolina junior infielder Steve Pearce has been named SEC Player of the Week following his weekend performance in the Gamecocks' sweep of Charleston Southern. In his first three games as a member of the South Carolina baseball team, Pearce batted .800 (8-for-10) with three home runs, six runs scored and eight RBI.

Pearce went 5-for-6 in Saturday's 38-0 win vs. the Bucs with two homers, including a grand slam and seven RBI. In Sunday's 3-0 win vs. the Bucs, Pearce was 3-for-3 with a game-winning homer. The five hits collected on Saturday are the most hits in a game by a USC player this year and the most hits since Landon Powell had five vs. Georgia on May 17, 2003.

South Carolina (3-0) remains ranked seventh in the nation by Baseball America and jumped to eighth in the latest Collegiate Baseball poll. The Gamecocks return to the field on Friday at 3 p.m. in a weekend series vs. UNC-Wilmington at Sarge Frye Field.
So Beenthere,

What in your opinion is the score to call the dogs off in the swcond inning. (pick one).
1-0,2-0,3-0,4-0,5-0,6-0,7-0,8-0,9-0,10-0,11-0,12-0,13-0,14-0,15-0,16-0,17-0,18-0,19-0,20-0,21-0. Then what do you do, (being a perfect coach) to stop this scoring and make sure that you don't hurt anyones feelings?. I remember GT comming back from a bunch of runs down to win a ball game with a score of 27-23. So what do you do....
senoia...I have no interest in prolonging this discussion but if you want...

Apparently you don't know the difference between drilling someone and drilling someone. That is ok.

The pitcher, Christiansen (I believe that is his name) allegedly threw at the guy about 20 feet from the plate and the guy wasn't even looking at the pitcher...That is apples and oranges, my friend.

I don't know if the case is still pending or they've settled.

Not what I am talking about.
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senoia...Kindly re-read my posts.

Of all the websters, I am amongst a handful that answers questions directly. When you are leading a team 21-0 in the 2nd inning, I call off the dogs and let the second and third stringers play. Even if I'm playing the New York Yankees with ARod in the lineup.

If you have problems with five letter words let me know.

I know plenty about the Christiansen situation. Where, in your wildest dreams and in your fertile little imagination, have I written that you should drill someone in the face/head when they are not even looking in your direction and the pitcher is warming up to start the inning?

I thought so.

Off to dinner.
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Beenthere

I was at the game and I can promise you, if you were there you would know that Coach Tanner did not, in any way, try to run up the score. It was the teams second game of the year and he is still evaluating his players. Steve Pearce batted 7 times. He only had 1 at bat on friday night so Coach let him get more at bats on saturday. Look at it from the perspectice of Coach Tanner. You have about 15 to 16 position players who are all quality players that could probably start at other SEC schools or respectable programs. When you have kids who are fighting for playing time, what do you want them to do? Throw away an at bat so that they look worse and make the other team feel better. These kids are out there trying to earn more at bats. After the second inning. Coaches did not allow baserunners to advance unless it was 200% sure they would be safe. They didnt take extra bags, they just hit the ball, plain and simple. Charleston Southern was surely embarrased but it was not because of anything the South Carolina coaches did. You should be more realistic and quit trying to stir up something when you were not even there to witness it. Coach Tanner wins with class and loses with class and I think you are probably the first person since he started coaching who has criticized his character and maybe you should think about that before bashing a coach who is regarded by many as the best in the SEC and country. There, I have spoken my piece. I seriously doubt you will respond knowing that you were not there and you have no real reference other than looking at a box score on the internet.

P.S. The series between USC and Charleston Southern is a very friendly one, and that will not change because of this Saturday's score. No matter how hard you try to make USC out to be the bad guy.
Quote from Beenthere,
"If I coached a team and he did that to me, he better have his steel cup in his jock and a football helmet on because you NEVER do that to kids!"
Might have been from this post. Can you explain why he would need a football helment.

Also, I appreciate you pointing out any spelling errors. The 5 letter words like IDIOT, I can get right. I just am thankful that you can help out with the definition.
Beenthere.... when I made reference to the fact that Carolina had several injured players, it was for the purpose of clarification of why even more players weren't substituted for.

Yeah, it would have been bad for Landon to get hurt late in the game because of wet conditions... fact is, he had to stay in the game because of injuries to backups that left them with a grand total of two catchers. Coach Tanner pulled him from behind the plate early in the game and put him at 1st base.... but he had to stay in the game in case the backup catcher got injured. What do you do if Powell is out of the game and the backup gets hurt... tell a SEC pitcher that he is now an emergency backup SEC catcher? noidea

Tanner started emptying the bench in the fourth inning, putting in mostly true freshmen that may not get playing time again this season. They contributed to scoring 13 runs or so, and maintained a shutout. I'm not sure what else he could have done, other than tell a group of 18 year olds not to throw strikes or swing the bat, or tell a JUCO transfer that played two different positions in his first start to bag it and give up. Not only does Pearce want a starting position... those other players do, too. duel

Normally, I agree with most of what you've posted in the last few years, but I'd hope that you've reconsidered your thought that some batters should have been hit. Reason... if your son wound up missing the season after the 2nd game because an overzealous pitcher was aiming for his trunk, and instead broke his hand or hit him in the face, you'd be pretty upset. I would be too.

By the way... I didn't have "special sauce" for my hotdog... have to try it sometime. Big Grin
Gees...I guess all is wonderful now since everyone had his/her say.

I don't think you have to be at a game to know what went on at the game. That is what box scores and running commentaries are for...or radio broadcasts. 38-0 in a BASEBALL GAME SAYS IT ALL. The football team only scored that many points in 2 games and they lost one of them!

Senioa...I was waiting for you to get personal and start name-calling since you obviously didn't get it and still don't get it.

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Now....I finally found the real reason you 'all are gloating with the 38-0 score....


CLEMSON 63 SC 17

Why don't you ask your football players how they felt when they got DRILLED!!!!!
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